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Rabbi Rosen: Claims against pope unfounded
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 11.05.09, 14:41
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1. Rabbi Rosen's comments
Jim Johnson ,   Belfast, Ireland   (05.11.09)
G-d bless you Rabbi Rosen ! You are a good man.
2. Hypocrtie "Rabbi"
Moishe ,   Golutsk   (05.11.09)
No surprise here in this "rabbi" behavior. It looks like he became contaminated with Avoda Zora virus by getting too close to the Vatican.
3. Rabbi Rosen
john   (05.11.09)
I remember when you spoke in the states a number of years ago. You were a "scholar in resident" at a shul. The unanimous opinion amongst the community was that you are full of it. You are a warped individual who has no pride in out religion.
4. thank you Rabbi
Lisa   (05.11.09)
thank you for voicing your opinion in a calm and intelligent manner- you are proving that one can disagree without being insulting. This is the way intelligent human being solve problems, not by protesting or spreading false or inaccurate information.
5. Rabbi ROsen knows little about this pope
Hana Cohen   (05.11.09)
1) PAst NAzi connections 2) This pope reinstated Bishop Richard Williamson, excommunicated by the Catholic Church just a couple of months ago or so, on charges as brutal as negating the holocaust !!!! What a piece of a hypocrate
6. WE WANT HIM TO RETURN ALL THE
AVROHOM BILGREI   (05.11.09)
STOLEN 1ST TEMPLE BOOTY RABS ! ANY QUESTINS SMEICHED ONE ?
7. to #6 you idiot, if you want the first temple
ghostq   (05.12.09)
treasures go to Iraq, and go learn bible, cause you live in imaginary world.
8. to lisa I agree with you
ghostq   (05.12.09)
may all jewish religious leaders will have a voice of reason like this one.
9. Rabbi Rosen, one of the Rabbis who knows better
Pnina ,   Haifa   (05.12.09)
It's so good to hear your voice, Rabbi Rosen! Because you are the one who knows better than anyone else in Israel the real situation of the matters between the State of Israel and the Vatican City. In these days, we were so tired to hear and read so many falsed opinions and news regarding the visit of the Pope. You really deserve respect and appreciation! Thanks a lot!
10. if islam would give half of such an apology
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (05.12.09)
israel and jews worldwide would be a million times better off. except to those who would complain about the petty details.
11. #5 Hana knows it all
Marc   (05.12.09)
so according to you Rabbi Rosen doesn't know? He knows the Pope personally- do you? You are just repeating slander and stupid accusations- past Nazi connection: at 14- you are joking- do you think he joined because he just LOVED Hitler? get a grip. This was not voluntary- re Williamson: he was NOT reinstated- after the stupid ant-semitic statements he lost his position, he is now persona non grata- would you KNOW what that means, I think not. you are the 'hypocrate'- your arguments are moot- because there is no proof, libel, hearsay- . Parroting what other parrots have mouthed.... all together now: let's sing........
12. Thank you Rabbi Rosen
Astral ,   London,UK   (05.12.09)
Your fellow Rabbis are just besotted by hate and paranoia. Shalom
13. Yo Mike
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (05.12.09)
Unfortunately Ynet doesn't like the truth re Christianity and the pope. You seem to have a strange idea what a papal apology really is. I have a very blunt one. Let the pope state openly that the Jew has endured over 2000 years of hatred as a result of Christian lies that the Jew is forever responsible for the death of their god. I don't expect it to ever happen. Mike, not only hatred, but death and defamation have been the fate of Jews throughout the world. Notice Mike, I did not say civilized world. That would not have been true would it.
14. 13 - since when did the pope speak for christianity?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (05.13.09)
pope speaks for catholicism and the atrocities they committed. he is in need of messiah's salvation as jews are. surely you know that.
15. rabbis
observer   (05.13.09)
By and large, Israeli rabbis are not fluent in languages other than Hebrew and Yiddish. They have no access to first-hand material and rely on hearsay. This necessarily blinkers their world-view considerably, most often without their even realising it. Overseas rabbis, by virtue of their ability to read at least one foreign language, and thus, if they need, to read and hear events first-hand, are able to take a much broader and balanced view and thus avoid making fools of themselves and demeaning their positions. This does not include people like Wolpe and his ilk, who is simply an attention-seeking ignoramus and extremist.
16. slander of pope
Don Schenk ,   Allentown, PA, USA   (05.13.09)
1.) He refused to atternd Hitler Youth meetings, at some personal risk. 2.)Bishop Williamson was relieved of his SSPX seminary position; how many Jewish leaders were punished for continuing to promote "The Myth of Hitler's Pope," to quote the title of a book by Rabbi David G. Dalin defending Pius XII and the true historical record? (And Bishop Williamson, as a true European liberal, also claims that George W. Bush is responsible for 9/11/2001.)
17. #13 Ben- check it out
Rachel   (05.13.09)
I am not really sure where you or the majority of people on Tb get the 2000 years: Christianity starts at year 1, the supposed year of the birth of Christ.., that was 2009 years ago. The first several hundred years Christians were persecuted by the Romans, they had no time to hassle the Jews, they tried to survive, right?- Romans....no relation to the Roman Catholic church, nor the Pope...( some people on TB keep getting this mixed up, oi veh...history 101!!!! ignorance is bliss)... the first crusade was in 1095 against the Muslims- Jews suffered- we agree- so that was after the first 1000 years- this leaves less than 1000 years- there was a lot of persecution of Jews (and others- Knights Templar, Cathars, Protestant sects etc. etc...) we know, we know... we apologize etc.. this is not the point here BUT: why the heck do you repeat this stupid and false figure? It just makes your other claims suspicious- stick with the truth- Does anybody in the USA ever study history? By the way: I told you before: we are NOT told the Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus- - why should we apologize for it? Nobody has said or mentioned it for the past at least 50 years- do you still live in the past? get over it... You are desperately holding on to old hats- this is a new generation, several actually- most Christians today don't even know what you guys are talking about, they have never heard it from the priests, teachers, or parents- YOU ARE THE ONLY ONES bringing it up all the time- . What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Make people feel guilty for something they have neither known, nor done? So they apologize 10'000 times? Would this make you feel better? How about the next Pope- does he have to apologize too? And the next? For the next 2000 years? Do you want more money? Is that it? Do I ask the French for an apology for Napoleon's wars and his invasion my country? let¡s all sue everybody together... Just think about it for a second or two- these TBs have been beyond stupid and futile- everybody repeating lies and rumors- no proof, no facts- libel. If this was a European paper, yes in sinful Eurabia, the continent of the pork-eating idol worshipers and Islamo-fascist, these TBs would have been shut down immediately- these kind of 'free' speeches are incendiary, libelous....and not allowed- not from Christians, not from Muslims, and not from Jews. You are allowed to say whatever you want, as long as it is true, can be proven and is not rude- most of the TBs here are neither.
18. Truth??
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (05.13.09)
Try reading the new testament. Just why does the Christian world hate the Jew? Oh, I know. They dislike the shape of our horns. Apparently you seem to worry what the European press likes or condemns. The Jewish world has lived with the blood libels, the anti-semitic references, for hundreds of years. The Jewish world still lives with the Baptists demands the Jews renounce Judaism in favor of calling a dead man god. You don't like Nappie, go fight with the French. What I write is not rude. Facts, facts, and more facts. You want to kiss the popes ring, go right ahead. For my part, the pope can kiss me where the sun don't shine.
19. Rachel # 17 , don't ask too much from this ben
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.13.09)
He does'nt know what he writes , and can certainly not justify his "writings" . Have pity of him .
20. #18 ben from Monroe
Rachel   (05.14.09)
The modern Christian world does not hate the Jews- the modern Muslim world does- . If you lived on earth and kept in touch with what is going on- you would see this. There is always the oddball- not all Israelis are perfect either....notice I say Israelis not Jews? But you live in the US- ... that explains a lot. The news in the States does not cover a lot of outside events- unless it pertains directly to State politic...when I lived there I felt like living on an island.... At least now you are down to a few hundred years- instead of 2000- I suppose that is quite the improvement. I am not belittling the Jewish sufferings, they are bad enough without making it sound even worse- like adding 1000 years, is that fair? The Christian world as you call it has been trying very hard to change- and there have been major improvements- but no matter how much we change- your attitude is staying the same- you hate, you despise, you put down.... Baptists? That is not a Catholic sect- has nothing to do with the Pope- There seems to be a major confusion ,according to the average Tb we, Catholics, Baptists, Protestants, Amish, Russian orthodox, Hutterites, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons etc. etc. are all the same- just put everybody in a big pot and stir- and bingo: you have anti-semites. It would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic. I was not referring to you when I mentioned rude language- it is the general TB tone that is less than friendly and mostly agressive....just read a few TBs...... facts are few and far between on TBs- including the articles we are commenting on...- Why would you want to kiss the Pope's ring? You are not Catholic- nobody is asking you either, LOL. And yes, I check the European press, (and I write on their TBs too- all languages if you care to know).: so do all the Jewish organisations, just in case - it is better to be watchful- don't you agree? Anti-semitism is a big no-no. People as well as governments are very determined to never let anything build up again...... so it is pretty discouraging to get the constant negative and often unfounded nagging... and insults....the harder we try, the more we get kicked in the shins....
21. Advice to government rabbi Mr. Rosen
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim,   (05.14.09)
B"H Dear Mr. Rosen, as a Jew you'd better learn Torah and halacha rather than waist your time with the study of the church and the changes within it. As I'm sure you are aware, there is specific halacha on idol worshipping and in Hilchot Avodat Kochavim V'Chukkot HaGoyim, the Rambam says: "Not to listen to anyone who prophesies in the name of a false god" (Halacha 20). So, - don't!
22. Rachel , this poor ben shows his level
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.14.09)
when he writes about kissing . It's an uneducated , vulgar guy .
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