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Rockets have not stopped
Jacob Shrybman
Published: 17.05.09, 12:26
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1. Israeli media lied
noor ,   Palestine   (05.17.09)
just like it lied about the number of soldiers that died... Just like how it lied about winning the war and achieving it's main goal of halting rocket fire when Hamas launched 20 more as soon as Israel declared it's victory and own ceasefire. How pathetic! Hamas is stronger than ever thanks to Israel, militarily and socially. Keep it up Israel, and before you know it, the citizens of tel aviv will be the next victims of qassam fire. Israel, if you really care about your people, stop endangering them with your policies of occupation, oppression, barbaric terror and settlement expansion as well as rejection of Palestinian statehood. Israel is responsible for the deaths of Israeli civilians. But it must be their fault, because they voted in warmongering ruthless baby slaughtering barak, livni and bibi..Hamas and the Palestinians will never die bc they are stronger than ever. Expect more rockets and beware , tel aviv.
2. The truth
Concerned realist   (05.17.09)
To counter the lie of #1, Israel will prevail just as Sri Lanka prevailed against barbarous rebels. Anyone who targets civilians like those in power in gaza, hamass, are going to be wiped out. No state will be in gaza. If anything, there will be a state for the west bank arabs, althought truly Jordan is the home of these people, not some separate area. Israel and the world frankly is fed up with arab demands. The tide is turning. Turn your hatred into kindness for humanity and build something useful instead of qassams and racist television shows. We are all fed up with arab hubris.
3. Rockets have not stopped!
Itzik ,   tel aviv   (05.17.09)
Great article Jacob! It is great that you point out that the rockets have not stopped. Noor, your language is quite inciteful and offensive. Because of people like you terrorists are allowed to fire upon innocent civilians. You speak about barbarians, think to yourself who are the real barbarians in this situation?
4. Noor
Ilana   (05.17.09)
You are a joke! And in one paragraph there are too many ridiculous contradictions! First we lie then T.A. are next in line?! So funny
5. #1 Noor - agree with the others: A load of crap.
(05.17.09)
Give it away Noor; you're no good at this stuff.
6. UNconcerned realist
Noor ,   Palestine   (05.17.09)
a country can't prevail if it fails to defeat orgs. of less than 25,000 fighters, slaughter more civilians than terrorists, and fail to achieve it's major objectives, if not at least one of them. Israel not only strengthened Hamas; it legitimized it in many countries, including the west, like the UK. How is that prevailing? What a pathetic "realist" you are. By the way, Palestine is 2000 yes older than Jordan. How is it that we come from jordan? It is the Israelis that need to go back to Europe, morocco, Spain, etc. But, we the pals have no problem letting you stay in Palestine. Let me remind you that it was the pal. Arab Muslims In the 7th C that allowed you to cone to j-lem after you were kicked out by the Christians
7. itzik and barbarism
Noor ,   Palestine   (05.17.09)
itzik, you can interpret my language in any way you wish, however, you failed to look at the main point. Israeli terror and aggression instead of diplomacy won't do anything but make it's enemies stronger, not only in the face of the Arabs in Palestine and mid east but also in the entire world. Hamas has actually gained political legitimacy withsome countries in the west, including the Uk. The west knows that Hamas isn't going anywhere. If Israel continues to incite violence, Hamas will grow even stronger and before you know it, hit tel aviv. Hamas' rockets were hitting farther and farther targets as the war went on. This goes to show that Israeli terror is not the answer. and if you want to know what real barbarism is, it's attacking one of the most densely populated areas with white phosphorus, targeting ambulances and worst of all, targeting UN bldgs sheltering hundreds of helpless people. Hamas doesn't use human shields. Your own state couldn't provide a single ounce of evidence to prove it did, just like with hezb. You think that the world is fooled by your lies, but in reality, support for Israel has dropped almost exponentially. Choose peace, not war. Choose leaders not warmongers
8. How strange of you to complain about rockets
Isr4ever :-)   (05.17.09)
You should just accept them and shut up. You are a Jew, so what do you expect? Do you really think that the antisemites will let you live in peace? Don't forget, you are a Jew, and they won't let you forget it. Even if you give all the Land-of-Israel to the arabs, the antisemites won't leave you alone. Don't forget, you are, after all, a Jew. So just shut up and suffer quietly.
9. Poor Ilana
noor ,   Palestine   (05.17.09)
What's funny is the fact that you know I was right about everything I posted and you can't handle the truth, not surprisingly. Rather you just move to making stupid comments. Wake up!
10. #1 One Rocket On Tel Aviv
Bill Foonman ,   Jacksonville, USA   (05.17.09)
Typical violence-oriented propaganda from a delusional representative of the "Religion of Peace." Let it be known among your warped brethren that the West does not give a damn about the Palestinians which, like the Arab states, it views as radical troublemakers. As far as even thinking that Israel will tolerate a rocket attack on Tel Aviv, you are clearly misguided enough to think that Israel would not respond by demolishing what is left of the sewer we all know as Gaza.
11. Don't think so Noor...
Daniel ,   Jerusalem   (05.17.09)
Somehow I don't place much faith in your threats to the citizens of Tel Aviv. Thankfully I do believe Israel cares about us, the citizens, because we build bomb-shelters, not rockets with no guidance systems launched into population centers. I wonder when the last time Hamas built a bomb shelter was... no time for that when they are dedicating all of their resources on rockets to shoot at Israel. Interesting the last thing you say is that Hamas and Palestinians will never die, as if our goal is to kill you all - it is sadly indicative of your worldview and that of your government... We want to live, so we build bomb shelters against your rockets. Understand?
12. Noor
aspacia ,   Las Vegas USA   (05.17.09)
Remember that Israel does not have a government controlled media, and you do, similar to most of the Middle-East. The only non-government controlled media is AlJazeera. You have been fed numerous falsehoods, and play the victim game. Why didn't Hamas turn Gaza into a seaside resort? Why does the Arab World not absorb its brethren as Israel did when 650,000 Jews were expelled. Why do both the Hamas and Fatah Charters fail to recognize Israel. Why don't you clean your own house of warmongers, terrorists, torturers. Remember, the atrocities committed in the Arab World far exceed any atrocities any Western or Israeli government has caused. That is, more Muslims have died by the hand of their brethren than any other entity.
13. Noor's Nonsense
Bill Foonman ,   Jacksonville, USA   (05.17.09)
The Palestinians live in a medieval and primitive time warp built on a foundation of fanaticism, bigoted intolerance and violence. The West expects the Palestinians to disappoint and you never fail to oblige while continuing to succeed in deceiving yourselves into thinking that you are deceiving everyone else. You could have had it differently. You could have adhered to the Oslo Accords and agreements that have been negotiated and signed afterwards between the Palestinian Arab leadership and Israel. You could have adhered to the request of the entire international community to: Accept in principle Israel's right to exist, adhere to signed agreements, and cease all forms of terror and violence. You have opted not to follow the demand of the international community, i.e. UN, EU, US and Russia and will bear the consequences of that asinine decision.
14. 11
i ,   jerusalem   (05.17.09)
A free people doesn't live behind wall gates and concrete barriers. What we need is no bomb shelters, no community fences and no apologies. Unfortunately, we live in a place where we must maintain a balance of fear. The arabs are like a pack of feral dogs, and they read body language. If you pinpoint bomb like you are afraid of somthing, they will not be impressed. If you carpet bomb sectors and neighborhoods from which the Kassams are launched, manufactured or stored, they will squeal a whole lot, and run away with tails down. This is Amalek. Bomb shelters are not the answer.
15. Great article!
JAyjay ,   Israel   (05.17.09)
YNet is too busy using its propagandists like Ali Waked and Etan Harber, that only report from bogus PAlestinian sources, to be bothered telling the truth like they are entrusted to do! That could be part of the reason these important factual reports never get published.
16. Clearly the Arabs are not interested in peace
Alison ,   New York   (05.17.09)
So you don't like Bibi, you didn't like barak or livni so who do you like? What would it take to make you idiots make peace? How many more of your children have to die before you admit that Israelis have a right to live too?
17. #1 Continued kassams
Cynthia ,   USA   (05.18.09)
Shows you how unconcerned Hamas is with the well being of Palestinians.Guess Israel's response was not severe enough for them. Gaza hasn't even been rebuilt and they're still trying to provoke Israel with more kassams. Your rhetoric is truly pathetic. Doubt you're even Palestinian. Probably babbling away from Londonistan.
18. Allison
Noor ,   Palestine   (05.18.09)
The Pals., like any other sane people, are against leaders who deny their existence, strip them of their basic rights and liberties, deny them statehood, are warmongers and ruthless baby killers, deny them their basic rights, refuse to allow them to seek a safer place to live (as in the case of gaza where the people are trapped like a pack of rats), and illegally expropriate their land with illegal actions like the wall and the ongoing settlement expansion. You cant be possibly interested in peace when this is happening. When there is justice, then the peace will come. NO JUSTICE=NO PEACE. Stop the terror, the aggression, the occupation, the oppression, and the ruthless barbaric attacks on civilians.
19. Bill Foonman
Noor ,   Palestine   (05.18.09)
Let me remind you that the arab states are virtually all dominated by puppet governments installed by the west and do not speak or have the support of their people whatsoever. This should give you an idea as to why they dont care for the Pals. As for the West, it's not that it doesnt care about the Pals, rather, it's the fact that if they sympathize with them just a bit, they will be silenced and condemned by the zionist lobbies and orgs. that are alive and well there. In all honesty, more people sympathize with the Pals. than with israel, especially with after what the world saw israel doing in gaza. And you still havent gotten the point. You still think that israeli violence is going to weaken the arabs. It didnt work with hezb. and it didnt weaken hamas either. The fact of the matter is that the more violence israel commits, the stronger its enemies are, and this article indirectly states this. Just read between the lines. After all the destruction israel created, hamas is stronger than ever and it is smuggling weapons as we speak. An attack on tel aviv is imminent if the israeli govt doesnt change its course or the israelis elect leaders that want peace instead of war and destruction.
20. Bill, I wonder why gaza is a sewer.
Noor ,   Palestine   (05.18.09)
Israel isolated it, put it on siege, allowed very little aid to come in, trapped 1.4 million helpless people like a pack of rats, controls its water and energy usage, made malnutrtion and starvation a reality to those people. What do you expect, a luxury? Gaza is the world's biggest and only concentration camp today. Gaza is the new Warsaw ghetto for sure.
21. Daniel
(05.18.09)
Theyre not threats, but warnings. The policies that youre govt is implementing are endangering your own people. Jut look at Bibi, he openly stated that he wont back the two state solution. The Likud charter itself rejects it. How will this bring peace, I ask you? And if youre really concerned about your people and have a problem with rockets hitting civlian areas, why dont you and your people petition your govt and ask them to gve hamas more sophisitcated weaponry so that next time, hamas will target military infrastructure? By the way, the israeli blockade in gaza is automatically an act of war, so hamas is justified in defending itself with one of the only weapons it has.
22. aspacia
Noor ,   Palestine   (05.18.09)
Why does the LIKUD CHARTER fail to recognize Palestine? forget about that 22 yr old charter and look at what happened 6 yrs ago. Hamas signed a document drafted by the saudis authorizing the support of the two state solution recognizing the pre june '67 borders as internationally recognized by the UN, the ICJ AND THE INTL CONSENSUS reached in the '70s. And i really must laugh at your post. The united States and the UK have killed more people than any other country. Does "native americans" or hiroshima/nagasaki or guatemala massacre or iraq/afghanistan "war" remid you of slaughter? what about the diseases that the Brits brought to Africa that killed millions? Look back at the history books. you might learn something.
23. Stop trying to hijack the article and turn this into somethi
Itzik ,   Tel Aviv   (05.18.09)
Noor, what are you talking about? Rambling on and on with your unrelated rhetoric. You are totally off base. The rockets have not stopped and they need to stop. Terrorists are firing rockets at innocent civilians. You are so brainwashed and stuck in your pool of Arab media/propaganda you can't even see reality. Stop trying to hijack the article and turn this into something for your false cause. The rockets haven't stopped, that is what this article is about.
24. Go Jacob and Itzik!
Silvio ,   DePorto, Italy   (05.18.09)
The world needs to know that the rockets haven't stopped. Thank you Jacob for reporting what the media and leaders have been trying to hide. Thank you Itzik for telling Noor to take his off base rhetoric someplace else! Stand up for Sderot! Stand up for Israel!
25. plastic reality
tom ,   toronto, canada   (05.18.09)
it would seem that the mossad is engaging in a little wishful manipulation of reality: by downplaying the level of qassam fire, they are helping to justify operation cast lead, as well as to promote an illusion of peace. (and their political loyalties may be showing.) unfortunately, it's possible that this is not in israel's interests. on the tactical level, further operations may be necessary in gaza, but it would be difficult to justify them on the basis of these understated rates of rocket fire. and being forced to tell the truth later only undermines your credibility. strategically, the illusion of peace with gaza could also work against israel. the arabists in the american state department are already pushing for diplomatic recognition of hamas. anything that misrepresents hamas' intentions only makes it more difficult for the israeli government to maintain its negotiating position and keep the americans on side. and it's defintiely not in israel's interests to be pushed into yet another phoney "pax americana", that only enhances the plo's operational capabilities. truth is always the best policy.
26. I hear that!
Anna ,   Washington D.C.   (05.18.09)
Shrybman is so right in everything he writes!!!
27. arab propaganda war
tom ,   toronto, canada   (05.18.09)
the arab propaganda war against israel continues unabated, even in ynet talkbacks! no matter that they contradict themselves, or fly in the face of reality, the hatred and incitement continues. apparently, operation cast lead was a great victory for hamas (even though they lost 700 fighters), and israel massacred thousands of civilans (even though the united nations' estimate was less than 300). just like every other great arab victory since 1948: the arabs are victorious victims. and the numbers grow with each retelling. they are fighting "the occupation" (which ended in 2005), by firing rockets at israeli civilians (not a war crime since hamas doesn't recognize the geneva conventions), while israel is guilty of terrorism (israelis - like all dhimmis - have no right to self-defence). "palestinians" claim aboriginal rights, even though they were only invented (by egyptian intelligence) in 1964! and "third-generation refugees", a novel concept, invented just for them by unrwa (their own, private un operation). the only group of refugees in the world that have not resettled after 60 years - not because of israel, but because their arab brethren kept them in refugee camps. 78% of palestine is not a big enough "half" for them (jordan was created as the homeland for arab palestinians, in 1923!) - they want the part that belongs to the jews, too! like the greenhouses in gaza, they want to destroy tel aviv and haifa and jerusalem, so it can be "theirs". violence, hatred, and jealousy, built on a foundation of lies and self-deception. but they tell it very convincingly.
28. #22, what Likud charter?
Danny   (05.18.09)
and Hamas has repeatedly and explicitly rejected any peace what so ever with Israel, even in english if your arabic isn't up to scratch. Are you pathologically incapable of saying anything even remotely true?
29. I agree with Cynthia
David ,   New England   (05.18.09)
Noor is probably a disaffected English kid who has decided to lift 'the mighty sword of islam' in defense of the poor starving palestinians who receive shipments of tons of food regularly. As for allowing Jews into Israel in the 7th century, that's when the muslims invaded.
30. #2 truth
Markus   (05.21.09)
re Sri Lanka: I wonder why the Tamil Tigers turned to terrorism? Because their people are second class citizens, treated like dirt by the government- truth, the real truth, the whole truth?! the truth about the rockets: don't blame the international media if not even Israel can get the numbers right. People have a right to know- so who is fibbing, and why? If I lived in Israel I sure would want to know why this is not reported properly- and passed on to international media. You can bet your bottom Dollar, when and if Israel strikes back there will be an international uproar again because it looks like Israel is the agressor-you need to have both sides of a story to get a whole and truthful picture. So, DO something about it. Don't just sit there writing TBs- this is not enough.
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