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One step closer to peace
Josh Lichtenstein
Published: 22.05.09, 15:45
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1. 450 ANTI SEMITIC INSTANCES IN NEW TESTAMENT.
JMK ,   NYC   (05.22.09)
LOOSE THEM, CUT THEM OUT, WHITE THEM OUT, OR THROW OUT THE WHOLE BOOK.
2. I DONT SEE IN ANY TORAH WHERE INTERFAITH DIALOGUE IS ACCEPTL
.........DACON9   (05.23.09)
I SEE WHERE IT SAYS TO SEPARAte from the other nations the goyeem.i see where ovadia says that hashem is very angry with the children of edom=romans=todays xtians and i see the last war will be with edom and their end. so i would love thois rabbi to help me sort all this out. i see where any goyeem entering yerushalayeem with mashiach will NOT HAVE JEUS OR ANY IDOLS OR OTHER gods or prophets like mohamed.. I mean its all there so dear sweet rabbi.. teach me within context please do not take OUT of context to substantiate your words. give me sourses so i can research your claim of interfaith dialogue coming to bring peace... no where, none ... cordiality to other nations yes but interfaith to bring peace uh uhhh aint writtne anywhere thank you DACON9 jewswithviews@gmail.com
3. DACON9
Lisa   (05.23.09)
interesting quote, DACON, so unless it tells you specifically in the Torah that you HAVE to shake somebody's hand- it is a sin to be a good host? You are not permitted to talk to a person without a special invitation from God? Aren't there enough laws forbidding things, must you look for permissions too? Thinking and making a decision is not allowed- ? I am wondering what harm it can do to be open for a dialogue, listen to what other people have to say- it will still be your decision to draw conclusions and act on it.
4. # 3
Birdi ,   Israel   (05.23.09)
Lisa, your opinion is the mature one.I agree with you.
5. Reply to #2
Joseph ,   London England   (05.24.09)
Singing together a song for peace is not prohibited. Theological dialogue is not correct, but where we have shared interests with Muslims and Christians we should certainly work together. In New York, Agudath Israel and the Catholic archdiocese have worked together for generations to get state support for their faith schools.
6. #1 JMK
David ,   USA, exile   (05.24.09)
Would you kindly send me the list of these 450 anti-semitic instances? I would like to look them over and perhaps offer you an explanation. Perhaps you and I can work together to bring this issue to an understanding and by doing so we can close the gap between Christians and Jews which years of persecution of Jews by Christians has created. You see JMK, not all who call themselves Christian are true followers of Yeshua. I understand your anger, I share it. But just because some English translations of scripture have been used to cause divisions is no reason for us mature human beings to allow it to continue to do so. Can we take a positive approach on this? Would you like to join me to solve this problem? We can take the statements one at a time. Try to return them to their true meaning in the Hebrew language of which the men who wrote them used and understood and see if we can understand what is really being written. You see JMK, true Jews would never have written anything anti-semitic and the authors of the Apostolic Scriptures (There is no such thing as the new testament) are true Jews. They practiced their faith of Judaism as perfectly as they knew how and were 100% Torah observant. The only difference is, they believed they had found Moshiach and their only sin (as accused by the masses) was to try to introduce Moshiach to their people. Everyone has the right to make their own decision on whether or not Yeshua is Moshiach but we should at least try and understand what was written before we jump to conclusions that it is anti-semitic. I hope Y-net will release this because it is only an attempt to bring understanding. drnowlin@bendbroadbnd.com
7. #1 JMK
David ,   USA, exile   (05.24.09)
JMK, would you please e-mail me so we can talk about your 450 anti-semitic instances in the New Testament? I would really like to know where to find that many. drnowlin@bendbroadband.com
8. #5 JUDAISM HAS NOTHING IN COMMON WITH XTIANS OR ANY OTHER
....DACON9   (05.24.09)
JUDAISM MUST STAND ALONE AND ABOVE AS TORAH DICTATES. SINGING IS PROHIBITTED INTEFAITH ASSOCIATION IS PROHIBITTED JUDAISM MUST LEARN TO IMPROVE THENMSELFS TO BE AS TORAH COMMANDED 'TO BE A LIGHT TO THE NATIONS' TO BE THAT LIGHT IS THROUGH KNOWLEDGE OF TORAH. THE SAME LIGHT AS MOSES HAD. THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE *ONE GD OF ISRAEL. THE GOYEEM WILL FOLLOW THAT LIGHT LIKE A MOTH TO THE FLAME...AND LEARN..IF THEY DONT.. AS THE PPRPHETS SAID BY THE WORD OF GD...THEY WILL PERISH. CORDIALITY IN THIS WORLD IS ALSO COMMANDED... NOT RUDENESS.. BUT CORDIALITY AND SEPARATION. TO SERVE THE GD OF ISRAEL, .......ONLY...TO SING TO ''HIM'' THANK YOU DACON9 jewswithviews@gmail.com
9. #6 YOUR ARGUMENT IS FLAWED
.......DACON9   (05.24.09)
EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BELIEVE IN JEUS BUT GD SAID NOT TO, 2nd COMMANDMENT: HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME I HAVE NONE BESIDES ME THERE IS NONE OTHER THEN ME HAVE NO GRAVEN IMAGES HAVE NO ORNAMENTS OF OTHER gods. I AM ONE MESSIANICS ARE NOT PRACTICING JUDAISM YOU SAY THEIR ONLY SIN.. THAT IS ""THE"" SIN EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IS ALL SIN. WE SHOULD *NOT *TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE ANTISEMETIC BY THIER OWN DOCTRINE. SO #6 MAYBE YOU HAVE TO FIND A TRUE TORAH ORTHODOX RABB AND REVIEW YOUR ADHERENCE AND TO WHAT... BY ANY TORAH ACCOUNT .YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG, UNLESS YOU deceptive.... and i suspect you are.... THANKS YOU DACON9 jewswithviews@gmail.com
10. Keyword scribes, pharisees, priests, chief priests, etc.
JMK ,   NYC   (05.24.09)
Page after page of some very vile stuff. Moreover their is nothing to discuss because the New Testament is fiction, dramatic theological fiction. Yes you can come up with some apologia but useless unless you are preachin to the choir. Splain this Lucy, Jesus raises from the dead Lazarus and Jairus whoe names mean in hebrew god helps and raises up. Or when in the midst of samaria and the galilee Jesus cures a samaritan of leprosy and then tells him to go the the temple priest in Jerusalem, fist there is no such place, why would a samaritan go to a Jew to fulfill a purification ritual applicable only to Jews.
11. #9 Dacon9
David ,   USA, exile   (05.25.09)
You don't understand me that is why you reject me. I do not violate the 2nd commandment. I have no other Eloheim but the one who spoke from the Mountain to Moshe. I say the Sh'ma daily. I walk out Torah to the best of my understanding. I just happen to believe that Yeshua was Moshiach. That is the only difference between me and you. You believe that Moshiach is coming. So do I. I also believe He has already come once before. Is this beyond the power of G-d to send Moshiach twice? Elijah was taken to Shamaim alive and each Pasach Jews set out a cup for him to return. Why is this possible and not two appearings of Moshiach? I simply want to open a reasonable dialog with you and JMK if he wishes. You know, like adults having a reasonable conversation about these issue. I am not a missionary. I am not trying to convert you to anything. I only wish to defend my belief as you do yours. Messianics are constantly insulted and hated in these talkbacks. Shouldn't we be given an opportunity to defend ourselves? Wouldn't you want that for yourself? Are you secure enough in your faith to have a conversation with me about these issues or are you going to continue to allow the opinions of others to deceive you into believing we are evil?
12. #10 JMK
David ,   USA, exile   (05.25.09)
Your reply makes no sense to me. I can't understand what you are trying to accomplish. I included my e-mail. Do you want to discuss it or not. You said there is no need to. That makes no sense at all. We are brothers and we disagree. Torah teaches that we should be in one accord. If we have differences we should work them out. Just ignoring the issue solves nothing. That is why the world is in such a mess now.
13. #10 JMK
David ,   USA, exile   (05.25.09)
What do you mean by, "Keyword scribes, pharisees, priests, chief priests, etc. This just supports what I was saying about the English translations. Scribes are Torah teachers, Pharisees were a sect of Judaism which are now rabbis, Priests are Kohen, chief priests are Kohen Ha Gadol. What's the problem? Give me a list of the 450 anti-semitic statements if you can. We will talk about them. One at a time by e-mail we can look at them. You say the new testament is not valid. I agree that there is no new testament. There are Apostolic writings but there is only one covenant given on the Mountain to Moshe. That is our Ketuva. What are you looking for here?
14. To David USA, Exile.
JMK ,   NYC   (05.25.09)
There are 450 anti-semitic scenes but I don't have the time, that is a rediculous request. Why do you believe that the Christian Bible is true when it steals mutates out of context from the Hebrew Bible but in its greek translation, could say 150 times but I dont' know offhand the count, Matthew uses copies changes Mark 600 times, Luke 300 times, the New Testament copies parables, myths, narratives from all the middle east, Do you expect me to discuss all these as well. Read a book, David Freidrich Strauss The life of Jesus Critically Examined, he shows all the miracles are myth, Dennis MacDonald The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark, he shows how Mark used copied and emulated Homer in creating his particular piece of fiction, there are many more. Christianity is fiction, 450 anti-semitic incidents never happened, they do not need to be argued or explained or defended, they simply never occurred. The concept of Jesus was just one of inumerable man gods of that time, do you believe in Zeus or Apollo or Isis or Caesar, no, well Jesus was cut from the same piece of cloth called the irrational. Where is "in the midst of samaria and the galilee"? Why would a samaritan (a people separate from Jews) cured of leprosy need to go to a Jewish priest and temple for fulfilling purification laws that only apply to Jews? Why does Mark have Jesus say one of the ten commandment is do not defraud, and Matthew in his gospel coorects that because is wrong. Obviously written fiction.
15. #14 JMK
David ,   USA, exile   (05.26.09)
I answered your questions earlier today. Y-net has not released my answer. It is because they know I am telling the truth and they don't want you to hear the truth. They gladly print articles by the enemies of Israel who surround you and wish to destroy you but if someone tells you the truth they will not release it. They did the same to me about a year ago in a discussion with a man named Josh. If I quote Torah or Apostolic writings in support of my defense against false accusations against Messianics or Messianic Scriptures they refuse to print it. They love to print lies but hate the truth. They will pay in the judgment.
16. #15, David you are far gone, you just made a threat of
JMK ,   NYC   (05.26.09)
eternal judgement against someone and everyone who disagrees with you and with christianity. The funny thing your hate that threatens a violent eternity to disbelievers is based upon a theological dramatic fiction. If someone commits a crime it is against someones person or property, the people you consign to damnation simply did not believe in your very provable lie and forgery of a life that never was lived. You make the same threat of the inquisition that burned alive 12000 Jewish conversos at the stake, burned thousands of volumes of talmud, forcibly converted hundreds of thousands, expelled hundreds of thousands. You see christianity is no more true than the man in the moon. It is 100% myth, 100% fiction. Was Jesus born, when, 1AD, but Herod was alive, but Herod died four BC, but Herod wanted to kill all males children under two, maybe 6BC now but the census of Quirinious was 6CE so when was it, FICTION. Magi see a star in the east and follow it to Jerusalem, except the Magi are in Persia, they are in the east, how do they follow the star east when Jerusalem is west, how does a star then change direction and then lead the magi south, but first a star we see is the light from a distant star often billions of light years away, the light we see is light that was generated billions of years ago. Guess what FICTION.
17. JMK
David ,   USA, exile   (05.26.09)
I made no threats at all. You are doing to me the very thing you accuse me of doing to others. NEWS FLASH JMK We will all pay in the judgment. That includes you. Is this truth not a part of Judaism? Check with your rabbi.
18. JMK
David ,   USA, exile   (05.26.09)
One final question JMK, why are you so angry with me? What have I done to you? I merely offered to study with you. You made statements about writings I believe in so I merely wanted to investigate whether or not what you had to say was the truth. Now you spew hatred at me as if I had done you harm. I am your ally. I stand with you against your enemies yet you hate me. Why? I had nothing to do with the inquisitions. I was not even alive. I have nothing to do with the Catholic church and never have had. I had nothing to do with the holocaust. I am your brother. The only difference is I believe I have found Moshiach. Is that such a crime? I start and end my day with the Sh'ma. I keep Shabbat to the best of my understanding. I study Torah daily and do my best to live by it. I do not deserve your hatred. Perhaps I will get lucky and y-net will print this one since I did not quote anything.
19. JMK
David ,   USA, exile   (05.27.09)
Why do you not answer me? Once more I make the offer. Since Y-net does not want to publish my quoting Apostolic writings or Torah then use my e-mail. It is posted above. Lets here just one of your 450 anti-semitic statements that the New Testament makes. Lets examine the writings, the language etc. Lets come to a meeting of the minds one at a time. If you are correct then I am man enough to admit it. We can do it by e-mail and you will not have to be worried about being embarrassed in public. I give you my word it will remain between you and I. E-mail me. Let's get started. I have the rest of my life. I only want to show you I am your friend and brother. If you convince me that I am wrong about my belief then I will go to an orthodox rabbi and convert. Are you OK with this offer?
20. Dave, You are scaring the censors,
JMK ,   NYC   (05.27.09)
there are medications for you condition.
21. David , you are NOT a Jew
Charles ,   Petach Tiokva   (05.27.09)
You don't live in exile , only TRUE Jews living abroad can say it . You are a 100 % goy who happens to follow some Jewish laws he has stolen from us . You belong in a church , there you can pray your jesus .
22. #18, I WILL TELL YA WHY YOUR REDICULOUS
...........DACON9   (05.27.09)
YOU HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT YOUR MESSIAH JEUS DID.. HE MADE HIS OWN RELIGION. HE LIKE YOU, PICKED WHAT APPEALS TO YOU THAT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT JUDAISM IS. YOU ASK IS IT SUCH A CRIME THAT YOU HAVE FOUND YOUR MESSIAH. YES IT IS, YOU OPPOSE WHAT JUDAISM IS. YOU CAN READ THE WHOLE XTIAN VERSION OF TORAH WHETHER IN YOUR MESSIANIC XTIAN WARPED MIND OR THROUGH A MESSIANIC CON ARTIST LIKE YOURSELF IT DOESNT MAKE YOU A JEW. YOU WILL NOT BE BURIED IN A JEWISH CEMETARY. YOU ARE NON EXISTANT. A JEW IS NOT PERMITTED TO ''STUDY WITH A HERETIC'' YOU ARE A HERETIC YOU SHOULD STUDY THE 2nd COMMANDMENT AND INTERNALIZE IT THROUGH MORE STUDY, AND THE 1st WITH A TORAH ORTHODOX RABBI. oh by the way... how did you find YOUR mashiach,there are so many factions of jeus followers and they all found jeus somewhere else... when you want to learn to play piano,,do you go to the imitator or the original MASTER.. jeus, the imitator, was 1500 years AFTER the original, where all the world heard and saw the original MASTER.. WHO ALSO SAID (((( THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME))) ((( THERE IS NONE OTHER THEN ME))) ((ISRAEL IS MY FIRST BORN SON ))) and you found someone, LOL you mean you dont believe everything that OUR ONE GD TOLD US JEWS.. i dont insult you i advise you you are confused and lost read prophet Ovadia 8. 9 & 10 wow is hashem really angry with edom romans xtians i am sorry, i have to pray for jews that need help you are perfected you will never get ill y will never be suffering you will never be in pain you will never need money your church told you 'you are perfected' hahahahaahahaha DACON9 jewswithviews@gmail.com
23. David , not in exile # 19 crying for a response
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.27.09)
But you don't answer me either . You can't refute my writings , you know that i'm right when telling you that you are'nt a Jew , but a christian who happens to follow [ how ? i don't know ] some Jewish rules . Don't deceive people by calling yourself Jew , don't steal Jewish names and first of all , don't steal our Torah . The Torah was given to the Jewish people , not to christians . I'm secular , you know it , but Jewish from head to toe , and i dislike fake people , missionaries . I don't need a response from you , i know i'm 100 % right regarding what i wrote regarding all those fake or pseudo Jews , those messianics , this paqid , josh and others of those deceiving people .
24. #23 Charlie
David ,   USA, exile   (05.28.09)
Hey genius, perhaps you or one of these other brainaics here could tell me where I ever claimed to be a Jew. I said I am Messianic, I did not say Jew. Also mr hate, how do you know I am not in exile. What do you know of my country of origin? Next, what tribe are you from Charlie? Only those from the Southern Kingdom or the children of Judah are Jews. The other 10 tribes are Hebrews but not Jews. I am Hebrew Charlie whether you like it or not. They were exiled by Assyria in about 721 BC. Didn't any of your rabbis teach you that Charlie.
25. to 24 , the non Jew . my 3td try
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.28.09)
All messianics call themselve falsely Jew , so even if you did'nt write it .....That's one Nobody writes "exile" exept you and your alikes , don't try to tell me it's because you are from another country . No it's because you claim MY country as being your home . That's two . No True Hebrew , nor TRUE Jew of course , will accept your jesus as the Maschiach . Only christians do it . So you are a christian , hiding behing a Jewish mask . That's three . As i wrote it already , you are a Goy [ in the Yiddish meaning ] who happens to follow some Jewish rules he stole , as he did with his name , from the TRUE Jews . That's four And last but not least , who gave you the permission to call me Charlie ? You , a low cast non Jew , had to ask it with humility . Be happy that a TRUE Jew wants to waste his time with you .
26. #22 BACON9
David ,   USA, exile   (05.28.09)
I have read your hate filled talkbacks and your worthless blog. You have nothing to say that interest me. Get a heart. Get a nefesh. Then we can talk.
27. 26 , the truth hurts !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.28.09)
28. To 24 & 26
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.31.09)
As you did'nt contest my writing it means that i'm right by calling you a Christian , not living in exile , who happens to follow some Jewish laws . So go to your mass , it's a christian holiday today i think . Don't talk about something you don't know . A Nefesh is for Jews , not for you to talk about .
29. charles
David ,   USA, exile   (06.02.09)
I did not contest what you wrote for several reasons. One, It is a hugh waste of time. Two, my computer has been down for three days. Three, I was busy preparing for and celebrating Shavuot. Which I celebrate according to the rosh kodesh calendar rather than the rabbi's calendar. Other than that charlie (a name which I believe I can use with someone who abuses others names like you do to Rivkah) I would be glad to discuss with you any subject that you are comfortable with.
30. David
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (06.04.09)
A waste of time for you ? you have to defend your position . Computer down for three days ? a nice scapegoat and an easy excuse for many who can't say anything serious . Preparing Shavouot ? By your own confession [ you wrote : please convert me ] you are NOT Jewish , so no need to prepare . My name , Charles is my true one , not a stolen one as this rivkah's is .What's your TRUE name ? You stole our Torah , so why not your name . As you , by your own confession , are'nt a Jew , you can't live in exile . You are only a goy , in the pejorative meaning , who lives in the USA .
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