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Israelis still unconvinced
Josh Lichtenstein
Published: 12.06.09, 00:38
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1. Pure demagoguery
David   (06.12.09)
“He is an inspiring orator” is a nice way to call his constant bull...ing. Talk is cheap, even wrapped in an elegant teleprompter. What has that man ever done besides talking as a community organizer?
2. Who wrote this???? Orwell?
BJL ,   USA   (06.12.09)
Obama is the biggest threat to Israel since Arafat. He want s to divide Yerushalyim. Give Judea and Samaria to the Jew haters....Hamas WILL take over the PA and then Iran will have Israel surrounded....ready for the kill. Israeli's need Obama to fail....not succede
3. Surprising linkage: Obama and Lebanon
Ilan ,   Ariel   (06.12.09)
Obama is a great orator, but North Korea and Iran will need more than a good speech. Nor can reaching out to the Moslem world transform Fatah, Hamas Hizbolla, and Syria into peace loving democrats. The obstacle to peace is still the embrace to xenophobia and jihad in the Arab world.
4. Obama's speech was good yet dangerous and somewhat appeasing
Avinoam ,   Tel Aviv   (06.12.09)
It would be grand if he succeeded. Then perhaps some compromise of principles might have been worth it. His speech did address head-on issues that are important to Israel. However he made the glaring omission of the Jewish refugees, and painted Islam in a much rosier light than the reality. It is obvious why, but it is a dangerous line to follow. If he is wrong his stance will lend legitimacy to Muslim aggression while sweeping under the rug serious issues. It is a gamble, and it seems that we've been pushed in with the chips.
5. Assessing Obama
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (06.12.09)
President Obama is clearly obsessed with the "two state" solution and "uprooting Jewish settlements". And do it all now. But, he does not seem to have a true handle of the complexity of the situation and the implications of these policies. Imposing or "pressing forward" with an idea, basically an unproven hypothesis, is very dangerous for us and could lead to some horrible consequences. What we have learned over the years here is that foreign meddling in this region, regardless of "good will" or concern for their interests, tends to work to the detriment of the Jews.
6. Freedom in the Middle East.
Dave Ronen ,   Haifa   (06.12.09)
Freedom House, a non-partisan organization that reviews political rights and civil liberties in nations around the globe, ranks only Israel as "free" in the Middle East. Israel guarantees its multi-ethnic population freedoms denied in the surrounding nations, freedoms Americans and others in the West take for granted. Freedom of speech, assembly, religion and travel are among these, as well as women's and gay rights. Unfortunately, freedom in Europ is, slowly disappearing… : http://xrl.us/bejbdz
7. To the writer
Larry G. ,   Hamilton, Canada   (06.12.09)
Hi Josh, I find it ironic that your last name is Lichtenstein because if Barak Obama had his way, he'd shrink Israel to the size of that country!
8. Yes,5:The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Stewart ,   U.S.A.   (06.12.09)
Obama hasn't even run a lemonade stand. Why would anybody think he could fix the problems of the Mid East or run General Motors?
9. Lichtenstein is so naive and doesn't understand NOTHING
DavidVelvet ,   KS   (06.12.09)
you really think that Hizbollah lost the elections ? Hizbollah is not interested to ''win'' because it knows that it is already the MASTER of Lebanon...so go to learn
10. IF Obama fails?!?
(06.12.09)
N Korea already has Pres. Motormouth on the run. Iran's pres. will join the chase when their election results are in. Russia is already joining the chase. Americans are still slumbering through his hijacking of the political system through the innumerable tentacles of ACORN, they continue to snore while he disassembles the U.S. economy, socializes big business, empties the coffers of health systems and social security--destroying any investor confidence that what they invest in today will have the same meaning tomorrow or that social security and taxes will ever benefit them. Obama is causing America to self-destruct. Not even self-absorbed, tunnel-visioned "me" generation of Americans will sleep through their betrayal much longer. Soon, it will be a stampede.
11. America's foreign policy: promises rescinded
(06.12.09)
Obama-Clinton rescind whatever American policy at their whim (demonstrated by their capricious rescission of Pres. Bush's letter). Neither Israel nor any other country can rely any further on anything America says being the same the next day. There is NO sane reason to make ANY concession whatsoever.
12. Since when Israel give up anything.
Peter Morris ,   New Zealand   (06.12.09)
Even Israeli's don't get it. Sharon did not give up Gaza. It was not his to start with. He withdrew from Gaza knowing if there was a "big bang" i.e. Israel attacking neighbouring countries then those still in Gaza would be vulnerable. There were no unprovoked rocket attacks from Gaza. In fact since Hamas came to power there have been no suicide operations and most rocket attacks have unsanctioned by Hamas. The ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis killed is staggering in that period i.e. 100 : 1. The seperation wall was built to remove a deterrent threat from Gaza. Israel is now able to kill without the fear of retaliation.
13. Obama and peace
Gary Glaser ,   Hutchinson, MN, USA   (06.12.09)
If Obama was really interested in peace rather than appeasing the Arabs, he would have read Netanyahu's book "A Durable Peace", and then he'd know what kind of peace would work in the Middle East.
14. for #1
calforina ,   usa   (06.12.09)
obama in his speech gave solid support to usa-israel relation. what he got in return from the jews ....hate and many called him the N word..you guys should be ashamed of yourselves.he is a good person and wants to make peace in the ME. It is you the so called god chosen people wants 100% or else. the honey moon is over your are like everyone else must accept 2-states.
15. #2 BJL - US.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (06.12.09)
Orwell is the name of Obama's teleprompter. Rumour has it that Orwell the Teleprompter has been invited to do the Sunday morning talk shows.
16. o-bum-a mentions "the holy koran" that contains "Kill the
Los Angeles, CA USA   (06.12.09)
Christians and the Jews" and anyone is concerned about what this fraud of a president thinks? Or what any non-arab thinks? The fools among us in America have elected an arab who thinks he can talk terrorists into being nice boys and girls. The president can be impreched only for "high crimes and misdemeanors." Unfortunately for the whole world, pure stupidity does not rise to an impeachable level.
17. Israelis look at ACTIONS, not words...
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (06.12.09)
...we have excellent experience with words. We've been fed words from all directions - palestinian "peace", Arabs "peace' initiative, EU "fight against terror", Obama speeches and so on, yet when you measure the BOTTOM LINE of all these words, you realize that they are matched by exactly the opposite: terror, wars, threats with genocide, incitement, appeasement to terror and its leaders, appeasement to a Nuclear Iran and lip service to "put to sleep" the US Jewish voters and Israelis. So until Obama proves with ACTIONS that Israel's existence and security are on the top of his list, we are still "unconvinced" - to say the least.
18. what's not be sure about?
oded   (06.12.09)
obama's foreign policy, if one cal it as such is disasterous to israel and the west. his vision of them e is a weak, conciliatory israel, and a nuclear iran. his rewriting historical facts, and equating the holocaust with the arabs' plight is simply unacceptable by any strech. obama will go down as the worst president to both the us and israel!
19. Obimbam's speech was one of
SMelmoth   (06.12.09)
appeasement, a la Chamberlin 1938, and will lead to exactly the same thing if we let it.
20. No we can't ,we are not lemmings .
Trumpeldor ,   eurabyia   (06.13.09)
Collective suicide is not an option
21. Re# 5
thundercloud65 ,   Oklahoma City USA   (06.13.09)
What we have learned over the years here is that foreign meddling in this region, regardless of "good will" or concern for their interests, tends to work to the detriment of the Jews. hmmm..it can be argued that "foreign meddling" is what helped our Jewish friends to go back to their homeland. "Foreign meddling" has also helped the Jewish nation along the years to progress by way of trade and cash into your national budget. "Foreign meddling: has also kept the wolf pack of the UN off your back. So now that that "foreign meddler" that bad old USA is asking Israel to actually get off the pot and make peace we are...interfering? Maybe it is time we part company. I know the lobbyists that Israel employs to bribe our corrupt politicians will be sad, but I as an American would like to be free of allegations of support to such actions as what we saw in Gaza
22. #12 More sheep manure made in New Zealand
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (06.13.09)
I was almost tempted to rebuff each and every ludicrous fact you stated in your post, but it would be a waste of time. Your ignorance and stupidity is beyond repair.
23. Caution IS well justified.
Gideon Reader   (06.13.09)
ZerObama will fail. That is a sure and complete statement. Why? Because he does not know what the f---, he is doing. Each day, Everyday our ZerO depends on his advisors who are not the brightest or best and who have totally wrong opinions and preconceptions based on associations with others who agree with them. ZerO has no knowledge of his own other than racial baiting and "community organizing", aka: Ghetto Politics, and his belief in his own magnetism allows him to slip past reality, until each case of his disability is it's own disaster. Economically, militarily, diplomatically, the man is a walking disaster dragging the USA into a quagmire of ignorance, arrogance of it's alleged administrators and blatantly displayed incompetence. Israel should be wary of this fool and his moronic kinda, sorta governance. It does not bode well for Israel or for the USA.
24. #6 in the western fantasy bubble
i ,   jerusalem   (06.14.09)
Freedoms of speech and assembly are routinely denied here to those on the right and to the religious. Unequal application of laws or rights and lack of a constitution are not the hallmarks of democracy of freedom, but of tyranny. All it takes here to silence opposition is a cry of "incitement" or "insulting a public official". Opening your mouth can be charged as resisting arrest or assault of police officer. We are far worse off than Europe even as we try to imitate them. Truth and Freedom are closely linked, and we lost the truth when a party and MK that voiced it was banned and tossed from the public discourse.
25. I am afraid #5 is right, Obama made very
ghostq   (06.14.09)
rich ground for extreemist from right and around the world for his assination, don't be surprise when it happens, cause the wheels r in motion to that direction.
26. Israelis still unconvinced
taiseer hindi ,   muncie indiana   (06.14.09)
Barack obama is a true friend of israel. Listen to the man before you find yourselves with an anti israeli force.There are plenty of them out there.You can not continue the occupation.Make peace with the palestinians-your only way out
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