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Critical obstacle to peace?
Yoram Ettinger
Published: 17.06.09, 18:33
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31. Give me a break ...
Susan ,   Boston, MA   (06.18.09)
Give me a break ... Judenrein ... you can't get past bad logic just by calling everyone a Nazi. Let's look at the facts. Arab citizens of Israel live next to Jewish citizens of Israel in a democratic state. Israel may be flawed, but this much is true. Jewish residents of Gaza live next to Arabs who have no citizenship in any state, no rights and no passports. They are under military occupation. So -- give it up. Stop comparing two entirely different situations. If I move next door to you and you say that you don't want to live next to me because I am a Jew, that's antisemitism. On the other hand, if you move next door to me and announce that you plan to invite 5,000 of your friends to join you, and that your goal is to ensure that your group will dominate my group forever, and, in fact, you plan to take over my home as soon as you can ... and I ask then you to leave, I am not an antisemite. I am a human being. Stop talking about how unfair it is that Jews may have to leave parts of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank). You came at the invitation of the Israeli government and you can leave the same way. At this point, the end-game of the Israeli Palestinian conflict is clear. Two states for two peoples is the only solution to the conflict which will ensure a DEMOCRATIC Jewish state. And anyone who opposes a DEMOCRATIC Israeli state is a traitor to Zionism. So stop it with your pretentions to patriotism.
32. ON BEING A "WINNER" ON YNET TALK BACKS
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (06.19.09)
MOST OF THE POSTERS ON YNET, WILL STUDY, READ, RESEARCH AND FORM OPINIONS BASED ON THIER STUDIES FROM FACTUAL EVENTS, HISTORY, INSIGHTS ETC. IT IS FROM THIS SELF-EDUCATING PROCESS THAT A WRITER CAN CONVEY A MESSAGE WITH CLARITY, MEANING AND PURPOSE. THE POSTERS ON YNET WHO DO THEIR RESEARCHING TO CONVEY THEIR THOUGHTS, FEELINGS AND OPINIONS BASED ON HISTORICAL AND PRESENT DAY FACTS ARE TO BE MUCH COMMENDED. THESE PEOPLE ARE WELL INTENTIONED, INFORMED AND ARE PREPARED TO OFFER MEANINGFUL TALK BACKS AND THEY CAN BACK THEIR POSTINGS WITH ACTUAL FACTS. WHEN PEOPLE SUCH AS SARAH FROM NYC, PRESENT A TALK BACK, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT SOME DEAL OF EFFORT AND RESEARCH WAS INVOLVED. THESE PEOPLE ARE WINNERS IN MY OPINION, AS THEY ARE INFORMED AND THEY SEEK TO INFORM AND SHARE THEIR MESSAGE, KNOWLEDGE WITH OTHER YNET READERS. THE OTHERS --THOSE BAD GUYS, LIKE THE SWINE AT #1 AND THE OTHER OINKS LIKE #1 ARE JUST HERE ON YNET TO PROVOKE AND ATTACK AND SLANDER. BUT THE "SWINE" #1 DOES NOT INFORM OR EDUCATE. WITH HALF-TRUTHS, AND UNSUBSTANTIATED FACTS THE 'SWINE" #1 LIKES TO PROVOKE, AND WITH A BIT OF RASCISM INVOLVED ..... IT IS IN THIS CONTEXT, THAT I CALLED SARAH NYC AS THE "WINNER". SARAH, NYC, CONVEYED A REALLY CAREFULLY WRITTEN AND INFORMED MESSAGE AND I FELT THE BETTER FOR IT. SARAH TRIES HER BEST TO INFORM AND EDUCATE US ON YNET. WE, THE READERS OF YNET ARE MORE LIKELY TO READ AND LEARN AND ASCRIBE CREDENCE TO SARAH GIVEN HER GENUINE, SINCERE APPROACH TO CONVEY HER MESSAGE. THANK YOU SARAH, YOU ARE A WINNER !
33. Shifting Allegiances
Will ,   Israel   (06.19.09)
Boaz is on to something, which Matt in typically arrogant American fashion writes off with a wave of the hand. U.S. pressure on Israel by the new admin is based solely on perceived U.S. geo-political interests, as is their right. However, Israel also has EXISTENTIAL geo-political interests which creative diplomacy, such as getting closer to China / Russia / India and putting some distance between us and the U.S, might serve very well indeed. All admit that there is a growing shift in the worldwide balance of power and it ain't shifting towards the U.S or Western Europe that is for sure.
34. Some additional facts
Marty ,   Bernardsville, USA   (06.22.09)
I agree with Sarah's argument, but she needs to go further. Between the years 1964 (when the PLO was created) and 1967 (pre-war) the PLO waived all claims to Gaza, and Westbank that were under the control of Egypt and Jordon. Between 1948 and 1967 there was never a demand by the UN to create an independent Arab state in the land once called Palestine. As a matter of fact, the land that now comprises Jordon was part of the land that was supposed to go to the Jews but England, illegally carved out a major portion of the mandate for the Arabs. Israel so happens to not only Democracy in the Middle East, but also the only country voted into existance by the UN. All of the arab countries neighboring Israel were created by European colonial powers.
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