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Beit Shemesh rabbis issue modesty rules
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 21.06.09, 15:48
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1. why not cover them in sacks and chain them to the sink
Avi ,   Israel   (06.21.09)
Wouldnt it just be easier to cover them in sacking and chain them to the kitchen sink? Seriously folks, these people are dangerous telling women what they can and cannot wear. How strange these men can not control their sexual feelings and dicate to not only religious women but to secular women what they can and cannot wear. No doubt they will start attacking women who these so called 'men" consider do not come up to their standards. I suggest they go join the Teliban and find shelter in a cave where they belong.
2. maybe this city located in Iran,
ghostq   (06.21.09)
don't cover the women the freelodaers enforce their lifestyle on the seculars, and after this event they wonder y they r hated, mmm here is an Idea of protest: send naked women there that will teach them that secular have freedom to choose any lifestyle they want.
3. I wonder how many compairisons with Iran this article will g
eddie ,   london UK   (06.21.09)
Yes, these extremists are liek the ayotollahs in iran, who dress in black cloaks and force women to wear "chadors", and they beat hte women if they are too fashionable. They also have modesty squads in Iran. Now, i dont advocate letting it all hang out either, but the same extremists are both anti -zionist, and they have the strange belife that their leader is divinely ordained, altho this has only been reached by their own nomination of a leader.
4. HMMM - !!!.
ORAO STRANKA. ,   TSARIGRAD U SRBIA.   (06.21.09)
'Bored people looking for action' Shalom Lerner, chairman of the religious Beyachad faction at the Beit Shemesh Municipality, was one of the residents who found the booklet in their mailbox. "These are extreme people who must be really bored and unemployed during the summer, and are looking for some action like in Jerusalem. The normal haredim in the city don't support them, and when I showed it to them they said, 'They're harassing us as well with this nonsense.' THE JEWS IN THE WORLD / DIASPORA , ARE BECAUSE OF THEIR JUDAISM, SEEN AS SCUMS BY THE WORLD. AND NOW SOME OF YOU ARE SEEING YOUR OWN COUNTRY FELLOWS AS THE SAME, BECAUSE THEIR SINCERITY TO THAT. LET EACH FELLOW FOLLOW THEIR GOD / NONE GOD - AS THEY SEEM FIT, ACCORDING TO THE FIRST COMMANDMENT, TO LOVE OR NOT LOVE JEHOVA WITH THE PERSONS WHOLE CAPASITY. THOSE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE SINCERE IN HEART TO THEIR GOD, LET THEM BE SO. -EVERYTHING IS CLEAN FOR THOSE WHO ARE CLEAN - YES -, BUT SOME OF US MEN ARE WEAK MENTALY AND IN FAITH ALSO, AND ARE EASIER IN THOUGHT CARRIED AWAY BY THE THE BEAUTY OF THE WOMAN, THIS IS NATURES FORCE OF PHYSICAL ATRACTION BETWEEN THE SEXES, FOR PROCREATION AS IT SHOULD BE AS SUCH. IF THIS FORCE IS MISUSED, IT CAN DESTROY WHOLE NATIONS, AND DRAG THEM DOWN TO HELL. SHALOM !!!. Orao.
5. Was there an "or else"?
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (06.21.09)
I'm glad the mainstream Orthodox there have rejected this nonsense. (Remind me not to consider Beit Shemesh as a future residence.) I wonder, was this pamphlet signed? Any identified as associated with this should be ostracized. Such "warnings" are usually just a prelude to violence. They need to know the people will not tolerate a Jewish Taliban.
6. women only?
Miriam   (06.21.09)
so the women are singled out? Again? why not just ask them to wear a burkha or a potatoe sack-does this look like the daughter of a king? Comparing honorable women to prostitutes because they are not covered from head to toe with unflattering garments-? where is freedom? where is this? Keep the rules within the community and leave the normal people in peace.
7. To beautiful young women
Pastaneta ,   NYC   (06.21.09)
Go into these areass of Beit Shemesh with some soldiers friends with their guns. Put a mini-skirt and high heels. And show these medieval animals that Israel is a 21st century country!
8. one word!
Jonah   (06.21.09)
do this within your own community- if you have to -by divine inspiration. Outside the community it is- in one word: HARASSMENT! Israel and Jerusalem should not be ruled by religious fanatics- period.
9. yawn
frum lassie ,   PT   (06.21.09)
This boring and bored crowd always get 'hot under the collar'(lol) during these months. The three weeks are approaching, so wait for their blood to boil, the freaks. Creeps, we B'H know how to dress in true Torah areas( i.e. NOT yours)and we always do so. Back to shluf, bye. They're as boring as the 'hate' chareidim' seculows. Same strokes, different folks.
10. Ghetto
Ethan ,   Eilat   (06.21.09)
Let them wall in their Ghetto, at their expense, and live as they wish, at their expense.
11. to #7 my offer is better, send naked women to that city.
ghostq   (06.21.09)
12. I agree with this
Colin   (06.21.09)
I'm not haredi but at the end of the day both Judaism and Christianity clearly teach that modest dress is mandatory, it is not optional - just because most people do whatever they want doesn't make it right.
13. The Torah says ALL should be modestly dressed, but
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (06.21.09)
specifying every last button sounds more like an attempt to classify one group of people as the only "good" people and everyone else as the slimy cheeseburger eating, Shabbos violating almost goyim Jews who don't deserve to be around religious Jews. I went on a shopping trip in Mea Shearim wearing a skirt that came down to a couple inches of my shoes, (no slit), a normal blouse you certainly couldn't see through and even that was covered up with, oh my gosh, a WHITE windbreaker. I got stares because my jacket was white not black. It didn't bother me at all, I bought a lot of gifts and took a bus back to the hotel. Of course I could have been even more modest, but I couldn't find a store that sold burkas. There is a line between being modest and being such a freak about modesty that an unbuttoned button causes you to be unwelcome in their neighborhood.
14. To sectant "rabbis' committee"
Beit of raising ,   Shemesh   (06.21.09)
If you really need modesty, first of all, SHUT UP and respect majority.
15. For once...
jv ,   LA, USA   (06.21.09)
I would like to see them attack a woman and the woman in response beat the crap out of them, snap on the handcuffs, call for backup, and instruct them that they are now under arrest.
16. TIME FOR YOU TO SHUT UP
FIDDLEDY GIDDLEDY ,   BEIT SHEMESH   (06.21.09)
LISTEN RABBIS.I AM AN ORTHODOX ,RELIGIOUS WOMAN,AND I THINK YOU ARE S I C K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE LITERALLY INFATUATED WITH S E X! HERE,YOU! ARE! TRYING TO WEAN US OFF SEX,WHILE YOU DO ENJOY IT TO THE FULLEST,EVEN BY TALKING,OR WRITING ABOUT IT! GO TO WORK! YOU HAVE TOO MUCH TIME FREE OF WORK,GO TO WORK,THIS WAY,YOUR KUSHER BRAINS WILL BE BUSY WITH HOW TO MAKE A LIVING,YOU ARE GOOD FOR IRAN.GO TO IRAN,I REMEMBER,BEIT SHEMESH BEFORE YOU CRAWELLED THERE,BEFORE YOU BROUGHT THE CANCER OF FANATICISM. GO TO YOUR HELL HOLE,THIS ISNT MEA SHEARIM,THIS IS BEIT SHEMESH. AND YOU SILLY PEOPLE OF BEIT SHEMESH,WHY DO YOU LET A GROUP OF SICKOS RULE YOU.GO FIGHT BACK,I LOVE A SLIT IN MY SKIRT,I LOVE TO SHOW MY LONG BEAUTIFUL NECK.I LOVE TO WEAR A FANCY DELANCY HATS AND SHOW OFF MY BEAUTIFUL LEGS, HEY,DONT YOU THINK I SAW YOU GLANCING DOWN UNDER/
17. maybe the mullahs can flee to Beit Shemesh
bob ,   potomac maryland usa   (06.21.09)
they seem to have a mini-Iran there already
18. Taliban - Haredi..... What's the difference?
GIla   (06.21.09)
19. these ignorant sex obsessed savages must be stopped
chaim ,   brooklyn ny   (06.21.09)
these criminally insane sex obsessed taliban must be stopped immediately,before they turn israel into another saudi arabia, as a chareidi jew myself,i am absolutely embarrased by these ignorant women hating savages
20. Set Up Roadblocks
Seymour Epstein ,   El Ad Israel   (06.21.09)
In consideration of the feeeeeeeelings of the community in Beis Shemesh I suggest that barriers be placed and manned by frum women who will give out free to all non-modest women appropriate clothing. In this way everyone will be happy. It might take some getting used to, but in the long run it would be very respectful if non-modest women to come into a frum area properly dressed. When they leavge, they can return the clothing or give it on to another woman. There should also be barriers to give out appropriate clothing to non-modest men: baggy trousers and non-flouresent shirts, etc.
21. anashim meshuamemot
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (06.21.09)
Last Summer I was walking down Geula, standing at Kikar HaShabbath with my 70 y/o friend. A lady from the "squad" approached her and said (to my friend) she should dress up less provoking!???!!!! Mind you, she had a non transparent - loose white top with sleeves not covering the elbows (so what?) and a long jeans skirt. ???!!!!!!!
22. Who's going to make sure there is no "or else"
Rebecca ,   Modiin   (06.21.09)
This is harassment. If the municipality and the powers that be, do not put a stop to this right now, then these "extreme people who must be really bored " will do something bad. This must be prevented. Modesty is good, but it is a choice, not a threat.
23. Iran
Phillip ,   USA   (06.21.09)
Religious lunatics need to look at what is happening in Iran. People will only tolerate crazy religious rules for so long. To the black hats/coats..... GO AWAY.
24. These Basij Rabbs need to be arrested for intimidating women
Philippe a   (06.21.09)
Arrested and beaten up in jail. These people are a digrace. Iranians are more evolved - look at their streets. Shame on these "rabbis".
25. Ultra-Orthodox = Ultra-Outmoded
Joseph Blough ,   NY, USA   (06.21.09)
I would suggest that Ultra-Orthodox men modify their hats with dark shields which can be deployed when in public that cover their faces and prevent them from seeing anything other than their own feet, thus removing the threat of them seeing anything immodest that they find offensive or might invoke sexual urges that they are unable to control. Ultra-Orthodox men need to emerge from the dark ages and start respecting women as equals instead of seeing them as pieces of property to whom they can dictate clothing and where they sit on a bus.
26. How about modest rebbunim
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (06.21.09)
Did anyone print a pamphlet telling those rebbunim to keep their penis inside their pants? They should have.
27. Modesty Enforcers: ALERT - You are needed in Iran.
Abe Froman ,   NY, NY   (06.21.09)
28. 13 Bunnie Meyer, LA: The Jewish people who are orthodox or
Rivkah   (06.21.09)
haredim are in perpetual mourning, so they wear black or gray which Gesenius Hebrew Lexicon describes as the colors of ashes which signify mourning. They are mourning for all the suffering of the Jewish people until the Messiah comes to deliver them as the Lion of Judah. White with a blue border garments were reserved for the Royal family of Judah. It signifies a prince or princess or king or queen. The Israeli flag is white with a blue border and a Star of David: those are Royal Judah House of David lineage colors. Red is the color of the Edomites, the ancient enemies of the Jews. You will see red in the headress of Jordanian Royals and others who are Edomites in their dress. The Bible asks, "Why art thou red in thy garments like the Edomites?" That was not a compliment. The Messiah will wear white with a red mantle because he is entitled to since he was murdered by the Romans. The Edomites (Palestinians, Jordanians) are murderous by nature and are descended from Esau which means red or ruddy. There is a fine line between being attractive and seductive. Most women do not have much success in that artform of being attractive to one's husband without being seductive to others. So rules are issued to keep women professing godliness on the side of modesty that cannot possibly be interpreted as seductive. But the most seductive part of a woman's body is her eyes. If the eyes are wanton, then the attire of modesty has no value. Wanton eyes are such an offense to the Lord that He says one of the three reasons an attack on Jerusalem will happen in the latter days (Book of Isaiah) is because of the Lord's offense at wanton eyes of women, the flaunting of sodomy in men, and cheating the poor.
29. thats absurd
umak ,   j-town   (06.21.09)
i seen 13 year olds dressed like prostitutes in beit shimush, its also known for having some of the sluttiest dressing girls in the area, this is just more ynet propaganda against the religious. and i aint even religious. ynet chill with this already everyone knows that yall are biased as **** against religious.. print this or youre cowards
30. #13 Bunny- way to go!
Markus   (06.21.09)
Bunny, this is wonderful - and it says it all. I guess the 'good' people don't know what MODESTY really means- . #12 Colin, reading the 'modesty manifesto' makes me wonder what exactly they call modesty. In the 50' our village priest requested that the girls wear a dress over ski pants when skiing...pants alone would have been 'immodest'- that was almost 60 years ago. Time does stand still for some people.
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