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Shas MK: Female troops must behave
Yael Branovsky
Published: 23.06.09, 21:57
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1. Tell a woman she has a great ____ and its sexual harrasement
Golan ,   SL   (06.23.09)
tell a woman she has a great head on her shoulders and you insult her physically. tell a woman she has a great ass and she is intellectually insulted. tell a woman to move because she is in your way and that is insulting. Call her ma'am instead of the senator sitting in the middle somewhere and you are a sexist pig.
2. More rantings from a Shas lunatic
Avi ,   Rannana   (06.23.09)
In any noraml democratic country this lunatic would be behind bars where he belongs. And this time he attacks our fine young female soldiers who are engaged in defending our country unlike the majority of Shas supporters who live off the state while contributing nothing. Just goes to show it really is time to seperate state from religion.
3. # 1 is correct. # 2 is wrong
Abe   (06.23.09)
4. You do not play? You do NOT comment!
Gideon Reader   (06.23.09)
Hey Putz (Zeev) if you do not **serve** in the IDF(no less in a command position) and are not in the military chain of command, or are assigned to specific duties dealing with the code of conduct, behavior and discipline (as a civilian) within the Def Min it would be extremely wise to have a large cup of shut the f--k up and just bugger off to a warm and quiet spot where someone; anyone who cares can listen to you prattle on about your nonsensical BEE ESS.
5. If IDF women would wear burkas, there would be fewer
Rivkah   (06.23.09)
problems since so many males view women as meat to a cat. How about separating the genders like in the old days of the Women's Army Corps (WAC's), etc.?
6. #1 the way you word it- yes!
Lisa   (06.23.09)
it all depends on who says it and how it is said- it is called intention! Certain men manage to insult every time they open their mouths- . If you tell your commanding officer that she has a great ass- she will send you to peel potatoes in the kitchen for two weeks, LOL If you tell this to your girl friend on the beach- she will be happy... timing dear boy, timing!
7. #5 Rivkah
Lisa   (06.23.09)
how about men grow up? IF women raised their sons to be responsible and polite men who respect women, there would be fewer problems-. Here on TBs I get the impression that instead of changing the attitude of men- women are always ordered to cover up, shut up, stay in the kitchen etc..... there is something fundamentally wrong with treating women as second class citizens that can be abused, bossed around and ridiculed, called harlots.... yes- today was one of those days- all the male chauvinists were active on TBs... Rivkah, with your attitude you are playing right into their hands.
8. In spite of military laws prohibiting
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (06.23.09)
sexual relations between males and females, one must keep in mind that our young soldiers, ages 18-24, are away from home, mostly for the first time, and more or less at the peak of their sexual interests, curiosity and performance. As a result, sexual relations do take place. In addition, it is hard to curb the yearnings of young people whose inexperience will naturally lead them into awkward exchanges. While sexual excesses and genuine sexual harrassment need to be corrected in order to establish a disciplined military force, we do not want to create the kind of social and political correctness seen in Canada (where I reside half the year) nor in the USA where each and every statement and action can, and often does become interpreted as sexual harrassment or much worse. We also have innumerable cases of false accusations and there is some research to back this up. So I think the IDF must dutifully investigate but achieve a balance in these matters and not implement a kind of sexual McCarthyism (after the late U.S. senator who achieved fame, then ignominy, chasing after "communists" and, as a result, ruining peoples' lives and careers in his dramatic and hysterical quest).
9. Marry them off
zichron   (06.24.09)
Sexual needs must not be neglected but promiscuity is wasteful for the jewish state . A dramatic increase in the fertility rate in the secular is the answer for israel .The galus must cut back on indulgence and strenghthen the state.
10. Women's Emancipation
Goliath   (06.24.09)
Sexual harassment among military personnel is the logical consequence of women's emancipation that is too extremely liberal. The case clearly proves that there are certain fields where women are suitable, and there are also certain fields where they will be susceptible to dangers.
11. behaviour
colin   (06.24.09)
Another parasite has something to say.. This nissim has never been in the IDF Has he ever done a days work??does he pay taxes? How was he promoyed to member of parliment eithout army service?All the female soldiers ar worth one hundred of these parasites.
12. Female MKs deserve our support
Ze'ev ,   Scottsdale, AZ   (06.24.09)
I think the honorable MK, Ms. Hot&Lovely is completely correct in this matter!
13. Same in the US
Spengler ,   USA   (06.24.09)
We have the same phenomena in the US. There is an exact number of harrassment claims made each year (mostly by women) and a poll that suggests the number is actually much higher. There is also a huge push not turn the accuser into the victim, yet there is little discourse about the accuser making a false accusation. It has become a card many women play to either further their ambitions or to settle a score. Many will disagree with this, but in reality, it is very much the truth.
14. Gee, D'ya think it would be appropriate, MK Zeev, if
(06.24.09)
a female member of the Knesset remarked that you had a tiny schlong? I thought so...
15. #6 Lisa, it's not a matter of "timing," it's about
(06.24.09)
taking the social situation into account and adjusting one's behavior to one's audience. Knowing WHAT is appropriate to say is just as important as knowing WHEN to say it.
16. 7 Lisa: What you need to do is to go to a doctor and ask
Rivkah   (06.24.09)
him/her to inject you with 100mg testosterone intramuscularly which is about a normal testosterone level for a male adult. When you come down off the wall and stop growling from the hyperaggression male hormones cause, then you will have a clue on what men have to control all the time. Men and women are different. I took one Provera tablet many years ago after a surgical menopause along with estrogen. The estrogen I could handle, but ONE Provera tablet which is androgenic (male hormone effect) and mild in comparison to testosterone, turned me into feeling like a murderous raging beast. One dose. You try feeling what males feel and then reacess your view. Males need such hormones for perpetuating the species and for defense of the species. It makes them very aggressive and sexual. Job in the Bible made a covenant with his EYES not to even look upon a maid. That is where fornication and adultery begin: the eyes. Then it spreads to the heart and emotions before being acted upon. Do you think the Lord will NOT hold women accountable for provoking sexual immorality in males? It is not always the woman's fault and maybe it rarely is, but it should not be toyed with. Isaiah the Prophet said Jerusalem will be attacked in the latter days for three reasons. God will not protect Jerusalem for three reasons: WANTON EYES IN WOMEN, males flaunting sodomy, and cheating the poor. Anthropologist Margaret Mead said long ago that females need to be protected from the desire of the males, but MALES ALSO need to be protected from the coquetries of the females. This is reality, not male/female chauvinism. Men are dangerous whether they want to be or not.
17. Female Troops
Norman Gellman ,   Rehovot, Israel   (06.24.09)
Typical of the ultra orthodox to blame the females for being harassed, Their view of females is tied to rules that stem from the time Columbus was sailing the seas, the world was flat and in the center of the universe and there were only 4 elements. The “Shulchan Arouch” and the “Mapa” reflected the attitudes towards women in their time. Serious updating is long over due.
18. #6 partially right
ben Ish   (06.24.09)
It does matter who is the one making the comment, but women need to own up to the cold fact that it NOTHING to do with what was actually said, and EVERYTHING to do with whether or not they find the man attractive. There is no other part to the equation. Period. I don't give a flying $#*)!# how impolite it is. STOP LYING. If she likes you it's not harassment. If she doesn't like you, then it is. END OF STORY. Until everyone owns up to the ugly truth, there will be no progress on the issue. I don't care if you don't like it, or if it makes you feel angry, or bad, or whatever. That's just the way it is. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way most men talk about women either. I don't like how they talk when there aren't any women around to hear. Sure some of it is harrassment, but the problem I have, is only SOME of the men are punished for it, while others are rewarded and encouraged for it. Both sides are at fault. If women don't like how men treat them, they need to stop rewarding the behavior.
19. Thank God I served in Nachal Charedi!
Yosef   (06.24.09)
We did not have to deal with these issues, because no women served in our battalion. Women should not be in the army that a mans job and if the charedi men would get off their lazy behinds there would be no more need for women in the army. END YESHIVA DEFERMENTS AND LETS LEEP THE "CAMP HOLY".
20. best to keep a seperation while at work
office job for women ,   outside office men   (06.24.09)
what can i say ? men like women and women like men.if they get too close while at work then nature takes its course. we all need jobs in places that keep us isolated from the temptation to do something else besides our work ?
21. #20 No thats not true i like men
Avi ,   Israel   (06.24.09)
No sorry but thats not true not all men like women and not all women like men. Some men like men and some women like women.
22. the free loader sound like an old chicken
ghostq   (06.24.09)
who wonder if to cross the road or not, women can make hot buns. ;P
23. Rivkah is right
R   (06.24.09)
It starts with the eyes. Therefore, the solution is that men must wear burkahs.
24. Comparison
R   (06.24.09)
As men are naturally attracted to woment, pedophiles are attracted to children. Is the solution to keep children out of parks and playgrounds? Or should they just get used to harassment? Or should pedophiles be punished if they commit indecent acts? Most men control themselves. Those who can't should be prepared to suffer the consequences.
25. Rivkah #16
Avi-former sruggie ,   Israel   (06.24.09)
I am a man but do not feel like "a murderous raging beast". I think next time you should have your head examined.
26. Lisa # 7 about this rivka
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (06.24.09)
Don't you know this rivka yet ? She was raped , abused , divorced and so on . She hates men [ and children ] & prefers her pets over Humans . This what i tell you is not an invention from me ; she told it .
27. #8 is right on!
Israeli grandmother   (06.24.09)
Mr Haymond has injected necessary common sense into this "discussion", and by the way, Israel has some of the most enlightened legislation on sexual harassment. Other countries have taken it as a model.
28. to Rivka 16
Gregg ,   Haifa, IL   (06.24.09)
Rivka, you are crazy ! If you wanna live in your middle aged way of life, do it, but don't come and bug normal people like us
29. to #28 Rivk here isn't crazy you just don't have
ghostq   (06.24.09)
Rivk English, English Rivk dictionary, all she said is man and women r different phisically and mentaly so you can't expect them to serve in the same roles as men.
30. More blah blah from the sickos!
Talula ,   Israel   (06.24.09)
First get your OWN women in the IDF, followed by the rest of the skivers - then talk about behaviour. Until then, shut your pie hole!
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