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Rabbi Eliyahu warns of rabbis who 'kowtow to women'
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 08.07.09, 13:07
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1. why are kids leaving religion?
Lisa   (07.08.09)
one needs only to read THIS article and the answer is right there....... Is this a leader of a religion who wants to have a say in a modern country? The leader of a religion where the 'bloodline' (terrible expression)is inherited through the MOTHER, the women-? This must be the greatest oximoron of all. The woman, the matriarch- treated like a slave, a second or third class citizen, branded a whore, shunned- . No mixed anything- ? I am sure this should be good for a few juicy TBs, can't wait.
2. The truth
Pastaneta ,   NYC   (07.08.09)
is that this Neanderthal is the exact reason why his stream is going to go down in history. Like all religious nuts, he is afraid of women.
3. Two ends of a sea-saw. Both sides totally over the top
rebecca ,   modiin   (07.08.09)
And neither can give an inch, or even listen to each other. Each of you is trying to kill off the other and you can only keep going up and down and getting sick doing so. As for this Rabbi, here's a lesson to you, Remember what Hashem said to Avraham iro Sara.
4. And you wonder why kids abandon religion
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.08.09)
5. Speech Written in Islamabad
leo ,   nyc   (07.08.09)
Nutty nonsense that only encourages men looking at men!
6. Taliban Judaism!!!
Chaya ,   Israel   (07.08.09)
It is this kind of talk that turns off more and more people - both men and women - to Judaism!! They say, "If this is Judaism, I don't want anything to do with it!"
7. Also Sprach Ayatollah Eliyahu
Shimon ,   Cincinnati, USA   (07.08.09)
Why do kids leave religion, why is organized religigion a failure and corrupt? The demented individual worried about women's equality is the reason...and the hordes that think like him. He epitomizes my distaste for his ilk be they Muslim, Jew or Christian. They are fascists, and should be retired and not put in positions where they can exercise their hate and make others' lives miserable.
8. yes Lisa!! Great point
Ilana   (07.08.09)
It is ridiculous!! A woman singing is just fine. Thousands of religious women sang while they worked over the centuries and all the neighbors heard each other. The religious fanaticsthink that they will have ejection if they see a woman giving a speech and using her hands!! pathetic! No better than arab muslem fanatics. Shameful!
9. womwn
colin   (07.08.09)
Women are the most important pasttime of the male.man cannot live without the female. This supposedly clever tabbi still lives in the dark ages. Let him preach his chastity to the Islamists They listen.
10. Not good Judaism, Rabbi
Jonathan ,   Tel Aviv, IL   (07.08.09)
This is not good Judaism, Rabbi. One of the most beautiful parts of modern Judaism, is the respect given to women. Our Mothers taught us to respect women, because it shows respect for yourself. This Rabbi's tirade is not only backward, but, disrespectful. His thinking is pre-historic, and should stay there.
11. #1 - See article on civil war
Smith ,   TA, Israel   (07.08.09)
and you'll see why I don't think it's that unlikely. These guys must have studied Torah in Qom. See you on the front.
12. #3 Rebecca
Lisa   (07.08.09)
so you agree with Rav Eliyashu? There is no place in this world for this kind of thinking- he obviously thinks women are the devil's- I have this kind of thing in Medieval manuscripts and sermons. The more I hear, the more disillusioned I am of Judaism. The Catholic Church is still centuries behind the time- Judaism of this kind is thousands of years behind- . Women deserve to be treated as humans too- this rabbi only sees women as breeding cows so his religion does not die out-. There is no respect- . He is suspicious of all women- they are nothing to him.
13. Dark Ages
Daniel Freedman ,   Cleveland   (07.08.09)
Things like this only discredit Judaism. If a man or a women have such trouble controling themselves they need to go to 'sexaholic' treatment centers. If I were a women I would not want ANYTHING to do with Judaism. Enough of these extreme Rabbis calling the shots for all of us. Common sense seems to have no play here.
14. Song of songs : 7,3
Woman ,   Planet Earth 2009   (07.08.09)
Charges: hate, racism, incitement to human exploitation of human beings, lack of basic respect for the half the population of the population, inducements to homosexuality ect..
15. LISA NOT JEWISH CRITIZISES JEWS AND ITS TORAH
...............DACON   (07.08.09)
SHE NEVER HAD A GOOD THING TO SAY.... IS SHE THE POOPS PRIVATE MISSIONARY
16. STOOOOP ! YOU DON' T EVEN KNOW THE REAL TORAH ELIYAHU !!
(07.08.09)
WHAT YOU SAY IS A SHAME !
17. is this an ayatulla or rabbi I can't tell,
ghostq   (07.08.09)
maybe both? mmm...
18. To Lisa #1 and #12
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron-Israel   (07.08.09)
Hi Lisa, Very nice words, but you totally ignore the principles of Jewish religion. It is stated in the Torah that women where always more sensible and loyal to Gd than men. With the golden calf sin, women didn't want to contribute and actually didn't. You have many, many stories about great women, and, more important, it is stated that for every Jewish husband, his wife must be the most beautiful woman in the world. Judaism is not liberalism, it's Judaism, please get informed, you'll wonder how many things you had no idea about.
19. Just the opposite of secularist believe
Paul ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.08.09)
After living a life without accountability and without purpose there are 1000's of people coming daily to appreciate the obvious unappreciated truth of Judaism. Lust, lack of faith, western morality is the most serious disease of our generation. 95% of all kids that abandon religion in their teens, return after tasting the poison the self-absorbed, Godless world is trying to seduce them with. So rave on, those that scorn traditional Jewish morality are the ones who have no future.
20. oh if it's Former chief rabbi what all the fuss
ghostq   (07.08.09)
his rullings means nothing.
21. to #18 worng religion as always is not liberalism
ghostq   (07.08.09)
it can be said also for chritians, so in other words religion where it's judaism chritianity or budaism or Islam r religions and r not leberal, primitive obselite things, while in liberalism the man get to think for it's own and have morals of it's own while in religion the morals r forced my old unreliable standarts.
22. LISA please, go peddle your ignorance in your own country.
THEY, not us need ,   your help.Or do they   (07.08.09)
23. While I don't agree with Rabbi, I really don't agree w/Lisa
who knows NOTHING ,   about being Jewish.   (07.08.09)
24. #18 Ricardo
Lisa   (07.08.09)
very nice words indeed- it is not me 'ignoring the principles of Jewish religion'- and 'stated in the Torah than women were always more sensible and loyal to God'- your perectly right- but 'it is the rabbis who treat women like dirt. Women are forbidden to sing, to dance , they must cover themselves up, they sit in the back of the bus, and the list goes on.... just listen to the 'holy' men. I know the stories of the great women, they were strong, kind, just, beautiful - are they just stories to be quoted in sermons- what is the reality? see the above treatment of women..... I know not all rabbis think and act this way- there are many Jewish men who respect women, treat them as human beings..... I have no quarrel with them. I do not expect liberalism- but I expect fairness- respect- at the least. This is not only Judaism, all the great religions are guilty. They are men's religions pretending to adore women..... well- when is it going to show? You misunderstand my point completely- I happen to agree with you- I disagree with Rabbis Eliyashu- both of them- like father like son?
25. #15 DACON- the poop
Lisa   (07.08.09)
Dacon, Lisa is NOT the 'Poops' private emissary- she left the church because she disagreed with the anti-semitic goings-on. I left because I support Jews and Israel..... I have lots of good things to say about both- there are days however, where the bad things outnumber the good.... this is one of them. you are obviously a man and on the rabbis side- good for you- . I want you to read your good books carefully and think about what it says about women- and how they are to be treated. Maybe if you really followed the scriptures women would not be treated this way. We can talk about it again when you thought about it, LOL.. I don't need selective quotes tailor made to reinforce the denigration of women- I do not have respect for men who abuse their position and power to stomp on women. Women have rights too- I have heard enough TB talk about "women belong to the kitchen etc..." so you have to come up with a better argument.
26. to #25 lisa, hun, you don't have to justify yourself
ghostq   (07.08.09)
in front of these erogant people. if it helps women r lousy at cooking so the kitchen is not something I would reckomand, women shouls stick to cleaning only. and bringing cold beer.
27. Ricardo #18
Steve   (07.08.09)
Ricardo, some, perhaps much of this makes a lot of sense. I know it is offensive to many in our more liberal, permissive times. I believe a certain degree of modesty is in keeping with Torah and Jewish tradition, so long as it does not go to extremes, like in Islam where women are covered from head to toe (the burka) and cannot leave the home without a husband or an uncle or drive a car and cannot get a decent education. This to me, is not Judaism. We do not believe in "honor killings" either or in female genital mutilation or circumcision of women, a barbaric practice.. Rabbi Eliyahu recommends prison rather than violating Torah with respect to modesty; tznuit. Don't you think Rabbi Eliyahu would have more credibility if he himself did not violate Torah law before and during the forcible uprooting of Gaza's Jews. I distinctly remember the rabbi exhorting religious Jewish soldiers, "Do not disobey orders. Do not be insubordinate." '(Go in and expel Jews from our land) "with weeping and with tears in your eyes." ' How can we ever forgive this great former chief rabbi for these terrible instructions to our soldiers? Rabbi Eliyahu endorsed the forcible expulsion of thousands of wonderful Jews from our G-d-given land, in violation of Torah; in violation of our eternal covenant with HaShem. How can we respect him now?
28. Our very own connection with the stone age
philip ,   afula,israel   (07.08.09)
What a moronic,sick and perverted approach to religion and women. Surely this fellow belongs to the lunatic fringe of even the most primative of local rabbanim.
29. the rebbe, the chicks, the IDF
salvi   (07.08.09)
If thinks like an idiot, behaves like an idiot, looks like an idiot, he must be an idiot. According to his chastity code ( he doesn't look chaste to me ),I think his favorite aria from Faust must be " demeure chaste et pure ",it's better to go to jail then obey the IDF and watch a women play or sing. Same if she delivers a speech using hand gestures. Men swap women ?,how does he knows about these things ?,And singing half naked too, Whoa !!!. He must be the swingiest rebbe in town Merry Xmas to all you readers. PS : I have 10 bucks riding on this comment to be printed.
30. If everyone follows their religious books then
Roy ,   CT SA   (07.08.09)
this world will be a much better place to live. What the Rabbi has to say is 100% right. It is only after the emergence of women from their homes and the intermingling of the sexes that their is so much corruption, sin and crime in the world. As it is said one woman will take four men to hell!!
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