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Mother suspected of starving toddler son
Efrat Weiss
Published: 14.07.09, 21:42
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31. #14 - the fake "observer" was in the hospital room.
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (07.15.09)
32. ?
Ypip ,   Canada   (07.15.09)
'Police initially asked to arrest the mother at the hospital, but the hospital's management would not allow it.'
33. To: Steve at No. 29
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (07.15.09)
How do you explain this child's severely emaciated state? How do you explain the fact that she was also caught on camera inserting something into the child's intravenous tube? Tubes, by the way, don't slip out in small children -- or adults for that matter -- they are securely taped down. Most of all -- how do you explain the significant improvement in this child's condition since his mother has been forbidden from visiting him? Anti-Semitism just doesn't jive with the facts here. Besides which -- Neturei Karta are opposed to the very existence of the State of Israel. That makes them non-Jews. Take your pious preaching elsewhere -- this woman needs extreme psychiatric intervention. And everyone knows it.
34. #29: and how do you know?
tom ,   toronto, canada   (07.15.09)
"steve in jerusalem": how do you know all this? have you seen the video? were you there? are you an "eid kasher"? or are you just another gossip, spreading rumours from "reputable sources"? ask your rebbe about "lashon hara", and what "deena de malkhuta deena" means. what is obvious is that the hospital staff were wise not to have her arrested in the hospital, because wild animals, like yourself, who only believe what they are told, would have set fire to the hospital. such rioting, in support of a possible child abuser (or for convicted murderers, as has happened in the past), just because they are "frum", is a hillul hashem, and must be stopped. how dare these people set fire to a government office? does "pikuah nefesh" mean nothing to them? is halakha something that they only follow when it suits their political interests? i truly wish that the jerusalem police would assert the rule of law and put these criminals in their place properly. no matter what their religious beliefs, they are not above the law, and should be punished for the crimes that hey commit. "protest" does not include arson. and if they don't like the laws in israel , they should be allowed to move to ramallah or amman or tehran, where they will not be treated as gently.
35. steve
MA   (07.15.09)
And the actual video footage they have of her disconnecting the feeding tube is what? "made up"?
36. really really ridiculous
gullible not ,   israel   (07.15.09)
how stupid people are and believe every crap that they read. i usually do not comment on all the countless anti religious articles of ynet that are so full of lies and fabricated stories of sick and sensation-searching writers but this is really too ridiculous. and even worse are those who read it (including myself and i will certainly stop reading it) and those who take it as the truth without doubt and double checking. shame on you!
37. i know the kid, know the evil witch
pincas ,   jslm   (07.15.09)
she is a born again make believe charedi like many of the "born again neturi karte" scum. She also tortured at least one daughter. These make believe charedim and leftists are evil. I have the privilige of helping capture this satanic witch. She will be punished by god and her leftist cult will as well.
38. #29
Shalom   (07.15.09)
What you are saying makes sense. Can you tell us how you know this to be true? #30 - reporters were not there either. Why would you believe their story against #29s. The story gells with "Observer's" account - who seems to know less but was on the same track This wouldn't be the first time that Doctors have mis-diagnosed and then tried to cover up their errors.
39. a child nearly dies and the Charideem riot
Avi ,   Israel   (07.15.09)
How sick a society they must be a mother abused her own child nearly causing his death and the Charideem decide to riot because the women is arrested? How sick are these people?
40. Sarah , 16 . The article says it : she has other chidren
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.15.09)
And is even pregnant now .
41. To: No. 26
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (07.15.09)
Ooh. Such hostility. Did you stop taking your anger management classes? Or did you merely stop taking your lithium? Nothing like pulling a quote out of context .... here's little sum-sum from the Cleveland Clinic, with the full link provided below: "Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSP), a type of factitious disorder, is a mental illness in which a person acts as if an individual he or she is caring for has a physical or mental illness when the person is not really sick." http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/factitious_disorders/hic_munchausen_syndrome_by_proxy.aspx
42. To: Charles at No. 40
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (07.15.09)
You are right, of course, and thanks. I slid right past because the pop-ups next to text annoy me. Any word on how the other children are faring, medically? Either way, the children must be removed from the home; or, alternatively, mama removed from the home. But if the photographic record is clear and incontrovertible that she deliberately endangered the child, then she needs help. Psychiatric intervention would achieve more than a criminal trial could. Particularly if she is not capable of assisting in her defense.
43. The woman is sick, but those that
vicky ,   Ashkelon   (07.15.09)
protest for her release are sicker still. Since when has it been right for a Jewess to torture her infant. I cannot find anywhere in the Tenach that justifies that. Perhaps in stead of studying the bible they should actual READ it and absorb it, then act on it. They might find themselves then in the real world.
44. #37 Sounds like
PN/NK   (07.15.09)
she was a peace now nut, and just can't cope. Happens to lots of' 'em. Peace now nut-urei karta tomorrow. Natural follow on. They pathetically try to blame their 'identity' problems(that's putting it 'nicely') on a) the State b) the settlements. Doesn't jell, guys/dolls (or a mixture of both). Just leave, and join your odious ynet talkback mates overseas.
45. Cults
SV   (07.15.09)
Krtas , Zotmars and co, are no Jewsn but mere cults pretending to be Jews. The latest cas eof child abuse by a"mother" belonging to these cults, and the violent riots in aftermath, show that our societes must make law prevail over violence, be against thes ecults or against terrorists. They are the two face of the smae coins as their boss, and hugging with Ahmadinjed. Why did you tolerate them in Israel.. please expell them to Iran, Gaza, or whatever they want, but did not let jewish soil be soiled by these cranks
46. Munchausen syndrome BY PROXY
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (07.15.09)
...when they harm someone else (usually a child). Munchausen's when they do things to themselves to get into the hospital. If more stories like this about fundamentalist Jews hit the news than other Jews, it is only because the fundamentalists Jews going around claiming that they are the Master Race (yes I am using that term deliberately) of morality. People who live in glass houses...
47. Sarah , are you now in New York or בבית ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.15.09)
If in N.Y. , do you sit in front of your PC at night ? I wrote at 9 AM = 2 AM NY . Have a nice day .
48. CHAREDIM also helped save child!
pincas ,   jslm   (07.15.09)
I am satmar and we helped get the poor child away from his evil nk leftistt mother. It was very difficult because the state system is very overwhelmed and we needed serious proof. She also starves and beats at least one daughter. Us CHAREDIM got her arrested with the wonderful help of Haddash staff god bless them. What can we do that evil and stupid individuals support this murderess. The Satmar Rebbeh AH said the nk pretenders are more evil than antigod zionists and antijewish arabs. It is even printed in sefer "al hageula and temurah " We Satmars and charedim of all stripes always sought and seek peace with the arabs and our neighbors. This is Gods will. But we are not Zionists or gf leftists and certainly not supportive of their children who are secular leftists who add suffering to the evil of their fathers and mothers. Like this evil and sick "mother"..
49. To: Charles at No. 47
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (07.15.09)
No. Still in New York because of work-related matters. Husband and the kids are home, though. You know I don't sleep much anymore.
50. #48 I am a zionist
greenberg ,   ptvh   (07.15.09)
and thankfully NOT satmar, (though I admire and support Klausenberg) but I/we would never ever print G-D in full and with a derogatory small 'g' as you, a (socalled) 'satmar' did. Titbayesh lecha, or, charpeh and shandeh or. tisboyaish lecho. or, get lost. Take your pick and shokkel it. You don't sound or write like a satmar but maybe you have the outfit, that's possible.
51. #48 you liar
Joel ,   Kiryas yoal NY   (07.15.09)
You are not Satmer don"t post in the name of someone else
52. To: No. 41
jv ,   LA, USA   (07.15.09)
Psycho: Don’t project your own psych problems on others. It is you who has the well documented history of anger and hostility on ynet. It’s obvious that your anger management classes have not helped you, so the court should order you to re-enroll. And, no, I didn’t pull anything out of context. I quoted from YOUR source which clearly states: “In MUNCHAUSEN BY PROXY (MBP), an individual falsifies or induces illness in another person to accrue emotional satisfaction —but this time vicariously. This is a form of maltreatment (abuse and/or neglect) rather than a mental disorder.” http://www.munchausen.com/ Since, you’re slow, let me explain it to you: The source you linked states it is a form of abuse -not a mental disorder – just like many other psych related websites I could link. That you were frantically searching the internet to find a site that says otherwise is hilarious. If it is defined a psych illness, insurance companies have to cover it. That is why the psych community is trying to redefine it. It's all about money. However, the courts will not allow evidence of it in Australia and the UK because it is a behavior - not a psych illness. Now, please go get professional help. Your screeching at people on ynet is not therapy.
53. the real story
chana ,   monsey usa   (07.15.09)
To those of you who are really concerned. (Especially those who don’t jump to conclusions before hearing what really happened.) I personally know the mother -she’s a woman everyone would wish to have her as a mother- and the family. And I’m following this story for over a year now. The story in short is as follows, at the age of 1 the child got sick. He had fever, couldn’t keep food down etc. so on the advice of Dr. Floris Levy, a pediatric emergency medicine specialist at Hadassah Medical Center -whom she highly trusted- he was hospitalized In the Hadassah ein-kerem medical center where he was (wrongly) diagnosed with cancer by Dr. Michael Weintraub and Dr. Memet Aker under whose "care" he is until now. the child was and still is under hospitol care the whole time. As time went by and as the child received chemo therapy (for no good reason) and no turn for the better the mother started to smell that some thing isn’t right. But was brainwashed by the doctors that they are doing everything for the child’s welfare. But as more time went by and still no improvement in the child’s condition. The mother smelled that something is fishy and started to question the doctors. That’s when one of the doctors mistakenly slipped out that the child was misdiagnosed. The parents were warned not to tell anybody and not listen to anybody’s advice. But even though, the doctors being afraid that the parents will open a malpractice case against them and the hospital. They preemptively counter accused them and opened up this child abuse case against the mother, to cover up their on wrongdoing. And created this exotic condition that the mother never had and b’ezras hashem will never have. now regarding to the protest's, rioting, etc. i strongly disapprove of any violence. but if anybody has any good suggestion's on how to free a Innocent Jewish mother (at least on bail, which the court denied. some thing that would never happen in the u.s. or any other civilized country providing she poses no threat to anyone.) after a week (she was actually arrested a week ago) trying to settle this through the proper channels (lawyers, doctors, etc.) please post/do it ASAP. because i don't think she can this much longer. Now how about as another view on the story. p.s. she wasn’t arrested in the welfare office she was arrested in the middle of the street as the biggest criminal or worse and is kept so as well (without bail, kosher food, visitation rights, etc.) even though she is no threat to anyone. p.p.s. I don’t think her religious belief or organizational affiliation make any difference or even belong in the story.
54. To: No. 52
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (07.15.09)
YAWWWWWN Take your lithium already, will you, psycho? We are REALLY tired of YOU.
55. To: No. 53
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (07.16.09)
Your lithium is calling ..... (By the way, hasn't anyone ever told you that name-calling is the last resort of those who cannot challenge opponents intellectually?) Well, now you know. Crawl back under your rock. Come back with a law degree from Harvard and two Ph.Ds and MAYBE -- just MAYBE -- I'll deem you a worthy opponent. Unless and until .... like I said -- crawl back under your rock, worm.
56. Report on Eilor Chen "cult"
Yaakov Hochman ,   LA USA   (07.17.09)
From 10 time zones away, looks like at predatory cult leader, may have a specialty in recruiting naive chozrei b'tsuhva who don't know any better. "Munchasuen's by proxy" is real, but is based on mishags of mother, doesnt apply here. . Rioting Naturi Karta likely are patsies who don't understand what is going on and are having reflexive attack on secular "enemies." some of Chen's followers may be religious from birth but mixed up. This sort of dynamic pops in non-Jewish cult situations where defenseless kids are pronoucned by cult leader as "possessed," etc. Chen folowers in bad shape--need to be disenthralled from their leader.
57. since february!!!
gr ,   bklyn, ny   (07.20.09)
obviously the hospital is lying or negligent. want to explain which hospital here in the usa would have a kid for half a year not gaining weight, with no diagnosis, down to a baby's weight, not in ICU, and only the mother is feeding that baby? doesn't make sense, the hospital version of the story. The mother's sounds more truthful - misdiagnosis of child, child used as experiment, mother realizing and screaming malpractice, hospital counteracting with claims of mother abusing child. only way story makes sense -- if the child has been in the hospital for half a year.
58. to: No. 19
a ,   usa   (07.22.09)
you totally don't act like a religious jew
59. again the same notorius author Efrat Weiss
Salomon MOYAL BLOCH ,   Zurich, Switzerland   (08.31.09)
strange strange.... same author same style lacking any scientifical basis.... sorry saying that would not qualify for any paper i'm reading here in the free world
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