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Sudanese women flogged for wearing trousers
Associated Press
Published: 16.07.09, 09:31
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1. gggrrr!
Ypip ,   Canada   (07.16.09)
2. unlike Jewish law, only tight pants banned by Islamic law
observer   (07.16.09)
3. The Sudan and Islam
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (07.16.09)
Primitive country, primitive religion, primitive adherents. Islam is the biggest threat to civilization today. Flogging? In public? For wearing trousers? Disgusting, on any number of levels.
4. It wasn't such a long time ago that women in America who
Rivkah   (07.16.09)
were "ladies" did not wear slacks. It was traumatic for my grandmother to buy a pants suit at my mother's insistence. Women did not wear that which pertained to men, even trousers, trying to walk the old paths that Jeremiah said is the good way. But now even the "ladies" of society are clothed as males. Is that a good thing? It means women are not protected as they once were. It means women are not respected as they once were. It means a lot of things when 40 per cent of the US female population does not even own a skirt or a dress. You have to admit the Muslim nations are blessed with prosperity in a lot of ways that may correspond to the blessings of Abraham on the descendants of Ishmael as well as on the descendants of Isaac. Ishmael's descendants have far more land and oil wealth than Isaac's descendants through Jacob. So it must be said that partial obedience to the laws of Moses results in material blessings for even the Muslims. They intend to maintain that partial blessing and these women who were flogged might be comforted if they understood the reason for enforcing dress codes that prohibit women from wearing male apparel.
5. Hey, Rivkah!
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (07.16.09)
In the Islamic world, a lot of men wear long skirts, do they not? So what are you babbling about? If men can wear long skirts, surely women can wear trousers. Pakistani women wear trousers underneath a sari-like tunic. The dress code in Islamic countries seems to be fuzzy at best. And for the record, while I lounge around my home in jeans or khakis, I always wear a skirt and jacket to the office. Your grandmother was never forced to don a pantsuit. Isn't it nice that she has the choice, though? As usual, you have COMPLETELY missed the point.
6. #4 "Rivkah"
david ,   Tel Aviv   (07.16.09)
Obviously you're real name is not rivkah!! And your justification for flogging women wearing pants is insane. I wish you would get flogged just once. BTW how is life in Saudi Arabia(where you probably live)? Are you subordinate to your master husband who probably doesn"t even grunt thank you after he's done pleasing himself in you. You are an abomination to freedom and equality to all. Sharia law is disgusting and you make me sick.
7. to the jewish expert #2 lol sure muslem
ghostq   (07.16.09)
women r alowed to wear pants underneeth the burkas, but we all know that they really wear nothing underneeth ;P
8. As if wearing trousers makes you a man
(07.16.09)
sigh. what about the long skirts of arab men, the kilts of the scottish? are they female because they wear skirts?
9. Hey #2 (blind) observer - We usually ignore you,
er der   (07.16.09)
but all educated observers know that NOTHING is banned in Israel, clothes-wise, whether it's a hijab. burqua, turban, kimono, sari, or jumpsuit! Now, go & crawl back up into your own poop-shoot, trollop!
10. Read this article, and read it GOOD...
John ,   Europe   (07.16.09)
THIS will be the image of Israel in 20 years time if you relinquish your power to clerical state. Secularization and separation between religion and the state are the ONLY way Israel should take. You can be pious without having 55 rabbis telling you which hand you can hold your wife with and where your index finger has to point in that moment.
11. Torah on cross-dressing.
eddie ,   london UK   (07.16.09)
The Torah forbids transvestisism. Hence, the gay -parade for example. However, women wearing trousers is not in and of itself a sin. If they are women's design, there is no transgression. Actually, the use of trousers is somethign that the Torah considers more modest than skirts, becasue the Priests were not allowed to wear their sklirts when entering the Holy of Holies. So they were to wear trousers since these are more "modest" than skirts (which was how peopel dressed in those times.
12. # 4 Rivkah
Sagi ,   Israel   (07.16.09)
You are undoubtedly the greatest nutcase ever to send in talkbacks. You really need help, although I fear it is too late.
13. flogging
angelina ,   holon   (07.16.09)
how sad that in out time women are not allowed to dress as they wish. Some of the men in those countries should be flogged for repressing women . Who do they think they are, the idiots and their rules. Allah, indeed
14. definitions
Ilana   (07.16.09)
now define "tight" define "loose" Who decides which definition is the right one? I think it is a disgusting way to treat a woman, man or child. Sickening to the core! I wish those women could just leave!
15. to #9 lncuding thongs.
ghostq   (07.16.09)
16. No. 10
NYC Girl   (07.16.09)
Ain't gonna happen, John. However, the creeping Islamization of the UK, for example, will in fact make it much more likely that your prediction for Israel will actually become the fate of European countries with large Muslim populations and a predisposition for capitulation.
17. Bhoo Bhoo Boo Bloody dogs
Daniel ,   Israel   (07.16.09)
18. #14 Define, define (end)
Eliyahu ,   Yrushalayim   (07.16.09)
19. #9-15 but bible-wise, Jewish law is banned in Israel
observer   (07.16.09)
20. Much of your talkback is nonsense
Philippe Delaporte ,   Marseilles France   (07.16.09)
You have to understand that they want their women in their burka for easy consumption.Can you imagine how much time it would take a moslem woman wearing pants to undress? Wearing a burka is more practical and no underwear even better. When the burka in Europe?
21. Sarkozy banned burkas but cant stop exporting those to Arab
observer   (07.16.09)
Gulf states. "You would have children misbehaving. An example would be this married woman who was sleeping around and cheating on her husband, so we closed in on her and beat her. This one time I came up to a woman and broke two of her bones. For two bones we would get $1,600 and divide it amongst ourselves. There was this one case where the guy was big and had big bones; we got $3,300 because he was a harder case.". said one of the chastity squad. chastity squad Demonstrator Threatens Murder Over "Non-Kosher" MP4 Players! It's money, business, economy!
22. to #21 so what, we already knows how muslems
ghostq   (07.16.09)
treat women, lol middle ages kind of thing.
23. Shame on ynetnews.com!
Anonymous ,   Minneapolis, MN   (07.16.09)
Being a modest, observant Jewish woman, I find it anti-religious for this news web site to include the article about the modesty pamphlet in Beit Shemesh inside an article about inhumanitarian acts in Muslim Sudan. How can this news source equate the two? One is a pamphlet and as far as I know there is freedom of speech and the press in Israel. The other, l'havdil, is violence!!
24. Clothing Police
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.16.09)
Wearing slacks, skirts, chadors, or fig leaves doesn’t change the type of human being I am. In the case of fig leaves, I might come off as a little whacky, but even that wouldn’t make me a bad person. Back in the late 60‘s, I was the first female to come strutting into an office of the big Insurance Co. of North America wearing a pants suit, and though there was a drop-dead silence for all of 30 seconds, the office and the Co. survived the shock. I had just brought my salary to the level of the men by invoking the l964 Civil Rights and Equal Employment Opportunity Law and nobody was about to say one word to me about a pants suit. Not only that, but when management realized that the guys spent much less time trying to look up women’s skirts, they cautiously encouraged pants suits as a preferred alternative to mini skirts. As for me, I was finally getting paid for the work I did and with 1.5” platform shoes added to those pants, I was almost tall, something of which nature has deprived me. At this stage of my life, I have a couple of outfits for weddings, 2 more for funerals and what I wear the rest of the time depends on the weather, and where “the girls“ and I meet for lunch/dinner. Maybe some days we should get flogged for looking like we had done our fashion shopping dumpster-diving behind the Salvation Army store, but even that doesn‘t change who we are: a bunch of kind, generous, and decent old biddies. That being said and just in case, what do those floggers look like? Hahaha
25. The Religion Of Peace?
Bill Foonman ,   Jacksonville USA   (07.16.09)
They don't understand the meaning of the word.
26. To my enemies on YNET: America's blessings have declined
Rivkah   (07.16.09)
since women stopped being women to be more masculine in nature and appearance which includes the independence to murder their innocent babies in the womb they do not want to care for because they are so "liberated". At least the Muslims do not encourage abortions and God appreciates that. Why shouldn't women dress like men? Moses in Deuteronomy says it is an ABOMINATION for a woman to wear that which pertains to men. Are men wearing long robes dressing like women? No. That is a male or female attire, not a specifically male attire. Solomon warned in the last chapter of Proverbs that men should not give their "strength" to women. The word strength in that verse means "army, defenses, fortifications." After donning male attire and demanding equal wages to men which made it difficult for men to support a family with a wife at home if the employer has to pay women equal wages, women then invaded the military service academies which had to water down the curriculum to please them and the US Congress and President Ford and others, gone mad. Now, instead of engineering majors, the military service academies let people major in history and business and humanities and all the things they could learn outside the academies without the expense to the US taxpayers. No longer do the service academy graduates know how to repair ships and build roads since they have to learn on the job because the ladies could not even carry a regular rifle pack without getting stress fractures, much less learn engineering. But my enemies on YNET think it is all right for women to wear the pants and run the country which looks to me like that is heading the nation to ruin since God cannot bless a nation that hates its unborn and people who work instead of shirk and who hate God and throw His Commandments out of schools and court houses and even from prayers in the miltiary. IT ALL STARTED WITH WOMEN WEARING PANTS, WANTING TO BE MEN INSTEAD OF THE REFLECTION OF THE MAN THEY USED TO LOVE AND HONOR AND OBEY AND HAVE THE CHILDREN OF without aborting them.
27. Great Journalism...PLEASE READ
adam ,   london   (07.16.09)
Its funny, the other day there was an article with the headline: "was Michael Jackson good to the Jews" or something to that liking... in one of the talkbacks, an upset israeli said why does Israeli media always have a agenda linked to Jews... and other people replied by saying, its a Jewish paper, so there justified in writing such articles...which is correct in my opinion. My question is, what purpose does this article serve, but to fill the Israeli population, and there wider public in general to "hate islam and muslims" You never hear any good news reported, like women being put into positions of ministers , or the new developments in civil liberties that are taking place in the Arab world, slowly but gradually, the Queen of Syria recently gave an interview discussing these liberties, just go to youtube , but no word etc... Therefore it can be said the Israeli agenda, from there media POV is clear, Muslim Bashing is Good for Israel... Bravo...Great Journalism!
28. #27
(07.16.09)
adam, this is where you are wrong. what is in the papers is the actual reality on the ground in most if not all islamic regimes. being such closed societies, and having newspapers that are owned by all these islamic totalotarian governments doesn't give the free man around the world an accurate picture of what in really really taking place in these countries. they are mostly secret societies governed by a tight fist of censorship of media and a veil to the outside world. many victims escaping these regimes bring the actual truth to the world stage. so, the world has had a glimpse into these regimes, their laws and rules and the punishment women there receive for the smallest infractions according to islamic rule. what you fail to understand is that most of these regimes' leaders and their wives, like the syrian wife of bashar assad are put in front of the tv and news people to give exactly the information YOU WANT TO HEAR AND THEREFORE INTERPRET AS REFORM IN THE ARAB WORLD. these people in front of the tv giving interviews that glorify how they are changing their countries and the many reforms taking place is lip service to the outside world. all the while, nothing of the kind is actually taking place on the ground and nothing of the kind is the actual reality there. these people are the MOUTH PIECE OF THE TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENTS THAT WANT TO GARNER AN IMAGE OF MODERNITY, PROSPERITY AND LEGITIMACY IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD. and people such as yourself fall for this hook line and sinker. i don't blame you. arabs lie all the time and their lies are believed because modern intelligent people cannot fathom the abuse that is really taking place, nor can they imagine that any nation or regime can do these things to their own people. the reality and tragedy on the ground is not visible to us in the modern world because this is not what the arabs and islamists want to convey to us. through their propaganda such as interviews with assad's wide, these regimes suceed in fooling all of us. however, those of us that lived within their systems know only too well how crimes against humanity and women are covered up and shelved in the muslim world. one has only to examine the different ways a modern country like israel handles demonstrations in jerusalem by haredis and how iran just handled demonstrations in tehran and all of iran during the outcome of the recent fraudulent elections. THEY KILLED THEIR OWN PEOPLE! this comes from a belief that human value is zero. zero. and the value of females in these regimes is even below zero! honor killing, stoning, executions, beheadings, moral harrasing police sanctioned by the government, female circumcisions resulting in death, suffocation of women under total headdress and long sacks, etc... so, we have one single female in the government!!!! is that really what you consider progress???? fool! hameed aboughaze
29. #4 Rebecca dear, on this issue you really are wrong.We are
the Blessed nation. ,   Irmo   (07.16.09)
30. When the men wear burqas while hiding from police, will THEY
alos be beaten for ,   "cross dressing?????   (07.16.09)
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