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Jerusalem: Haredi riots continue
Efrat Weiss
Published: 18.07.09, 18:01
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1. Haredi riots.
Spencer ,   Israel   (07.18.09)
Those who riot and damage public property should be dealt with to the full extent of the law......and if this means a baton charge or the use of water cannon or tear gas or stun grenades then so be it. Hit them as hard as possible so that they know the police mean business and have the backing of all decent law-abiding citizens. The rioters are the scum of the earth......desecrating the Sabbath that they claim to hold so dear........As far as I am concerned they are no more regilious than a drowned rat!........and they are making it bad for those haredim who uphold the law and live here as decent citizens.
2. Riots
mark ,   canada   (07.18.09)
Sounds to me like double standards here. Don't move on Shabat, but lets go riot!! Catch 'em, shave their beards on one side and let 'em go. The next part is that they must play a guitar while standing on an apple box, on asw many street corners it takes. The second time they get caught damaging public property, they have to sing with the guitar playing.
3. But of course it's 'kosher' because they're not building
5th generation ,   Israel   (07.18.09)
only destroying. This is the most perfect example yet of how this group is continuously represented by anti-productive, fraudulent, cult-like behavior that is the antithesis of true Judaism and more in line with our staunchest enemies..
4. Are these folk going profoundly haywire?
Cameron ,   USA   (07.18.09)
Still can't quite figure why so many of them have flipped their wig. Not sure how you put the cork back in that bottle. Definitely wise to lock them in their neighborhoods, and let them stew in their own uncollected garbage till they start to smooth out. What is this behavior truly about? A puzzle.
5. why not? when else those Shabbat people can riot?
observer   (07.18.09)
6. To #2
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.18.09)
Mark, your second suggestion could permanently ruin one's enthusiasm for rock 'n roll in general and for Hendrix and Clapton in particular. If we were then stuck having to listen to Mahler, Rap, Hip Hop, and/or Bluegrass, quite a few of us, male and female, would be out there showing these guys what rioting really looks like, with time of day or day of week being of no consequence. I think, these people are bored out of their skulls, and need something to do. If nothing else, I'd make them clean up whatever mess they made and on the day they made it.
7. Riots
ME ,   LA, CA, USA   (07.18.09)
Perhaps rioting isn't considered work and is therefore allowed on Shabbas. But, I would imagine that if a group of young people were to stumble out of a bar in Tel Aviv on a Friday evening for several weeks and created havoc they would not enjoy the treatment.
8. What is this about?
Jennifer ,   Chicago, USA   (07.18.09)
It is about getting their way with society. If they win on the parking lot issue and manage to scare the government away from governing in their neighborhoods, they will be rioting because others don't dress as they think they should, or whatever else they want others to do.
9. #2 Mark
David ,   USA, exile   (07.18.09)
Shaving the beards on one side is an act that took place to some of King David's brave troops by the enemies of Israel. These desecrators of Shabbat are not worthy of this act. They are not in the same league with the soldiers of King David.
10. Haredi attitudes, demonstrations and practices
Rabbi Jochanan ,   Gush Chalav   (07.18.09)
Lots of ink and words have been spent these days about the - justified if it were not violent and made of continuous 'averoth of "bal tashchith" - haredi opposition to the provocative opening on Shabbath [after years of it being operational every other day except for Shabbath] of a gigantic parking structure (on payment, with electricity, working personnel, etc.) right in front of the Old City walls. Institutionally sponsored and fomented PUBLIC DESECRATION of the Shabbath is not tolerable in a Jewish State. In this they are the real zionists. In their reactions to some vitriolic and borderline antisemitic comments by some readers, some (probably) haredi readers are asking not to generalize and accuse the whole haredi community (black hats, black jackets & pants & white shirts, the penguins, etc.) of the misbehaving of the few. Which begs for a question. Why aren't the invisible "good haredim" protesting or kicking out of their midst what they call "extremist fringe" and the son`e' Israel [haters of Israel] called Neturei Karta, the same guys who hug and kiss Ahmedinedjad and Ismail Hanijeh ? Don't they know that Torah standards AND obligations are different from the standards and obligation of the gentile nations, and that, FOR US JEWS, whoever does not ACTIVELY OPPOSE a crime [which includes also public desecration of the Shabbath] is considered an accomplice, that is GUILTY, not punishable by an earthly tribunal, but certainly punishable in the Tribunal of High ?? That is why the haredi public is guilty of the mass deportation of Jews from the Gaza Strip which gave us the Hamastan, the thousands of missiles and rockets raining on the Jewish kids in the South, and already one war with dead Jewish kids: that public did zilch, nothing, to oppose it. No demonstrations (they actually forbade their youth, all yeshivah bochur, to participate even if they were on vacation!), no riots, no garbage bins burnt, NOTHING AT ALL. And I personally heard for weeks - while travelling by bus through Geulah etc. on my way to and from work - black clad people saying any possible variation of things like, "what's the big fuss about Gush Katif? There are less Jews there than in Geulah!" to justify their disdain for doing anything against it. Now the longa manus of the anti-Torah world has come to their neighborhood: one might wonder why...and what are they being punished for... THEIRS IS PURE AND TRUE SINNATH CHINNAM, NOT ONLY WHAT THEY COMPLAIN THEY WOULD BE VICTIMS OF!!!... Even if, for three weeks around the 9th of Av, while plaguing the rest of us with their forbidden custom of causing disgust on their neighbor by not washing, they pay LIP SERVICE to the issue and show their tearful movies on the burning of Jerusalem in the comfort of their excluding (at times exclusive) "golus" abodes even when in Erets Israel, (forgetful of what ChaZa"L teach sinnath chinnam was: not uniting, because of particularistic and exclusiv-istic reasons, against the gentile enemy - which is the EXACT definition of their standard attitude) and obsess with their extended, weird and NON HALAKHAH BASED definitions of Lashon HaR'à; which in the end - forbidding what's allowed leads to allowing what's forbidden - allows them to protect men who kill their babies by publicly signing "rabbinical" proclaiming their innocence (just to be silenced by court condemnations and incontrovertible proofs of the contrary], abusing mothers and fathers, and all sort of sexual perverts who have a free hand since those "rabbis" prefer hiding the issues, fearful of publicly calling for what Torah law requires: hunting them down and beating them to a pulp.
11. Where are the responsible rabbis?
Sidney ,   USA   (07.18.09)
Hoodlumism is not consistent with observance of Torah. If orthodox rabbis failed to condemn this behavior, they share the guilt.
12. Make them move to Arab countries so they
(07.18.09)
will feel more at home with other fanatics and fascists.
13. Its beyond riots now...
(07.18.09)
Its a full blown civil war!
14. Riots
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.18.09)
Sason vesimcha,Karnival in Jerusalem,God of Israel must be very happy,with so many rioters in his service.
15. a secular point de vue
jean   (07.18.09)
Like cheeps they marched their wifes, children into the oven chanting that god will help us -- so much for his help; that was then..... Today, the same pathetic breed are smashing, burning, injuring innocents, secular, as well as our law enforcement forces; and on the SABBATH, so much for their piety... god is probably not working on shabbes.
16. State gives in to Charedi violence
Avi ,   Israel   (07.18.09)
The descision to release this child abusing monster is a discrase and an insult to justice. In the same manner the charedeem rioted in support of a charedi father who shook his child to death they now protect child abusers. These people are a threat to freedom , democracy and freedom. Its time to make these so called religious thugs know that there is a law in this country and not some primative religious law based on a fairy tale. If they dont like it they are free to leave.
17. All violence
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (07.18.09)
This violence will continue in Israel just as long as the elected authorities fail to live up to their responsibilities. Israel has two sets of law; secular and religious. Apparently the religious laws which are a hodgepodge since there are a hodgepodge of sects; are being accepted in preference to the law of the land. As long as that happens, riots by whatever sect of so-called religious fundamentalists will occur time after time. Israel must determine what kind of nation and what kind of government she will live under. This type of internal violence can only lead to her destruction. It truly is a sad situation where a tiny sect is permitted to get away with such actions.
18. Laws ?, in Israel ?
pierre   (07.18.09)
To Avi # 16 (decision-disgrace- primitive) You are right, except you are forgetting that Laws are not made for Jews.--- only for others. Also that our lawmakers write them only --- enforcement is some other dept's job.
19. Riots?
Marcelo ,   Madrid Spain   (07.18.09)
Ehhh...why do you have so much paciente with this stupid and retrogade "people"?Kik off there asses!!!!! and..send them all to Tehran.Israelies and real jewish people hate this parasits!!!
20. Israel proceeds to protect the child and family
Ypip ,   Canada   (07.19.09)
The suspect will undergo a psychiatric examination and will have another hearing by next Thursday.
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