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'These were terrible blows'
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 18.07.09, 19:36
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31. #29 Oh for G-d's sake, read the book of Acts will you??"Call
NOTHING I have made ,   unclean". Peter   (07.18.09)
32. #29
mark ,   ca   (07.18.09)
Visit Mea Shearim and see how filthy the whole area is.I have nothing against religious people but I prefer to be a swine eater than to live like a swine.
33. Israel raping there own soldiers
Huzballah ,   Lebanon   (07.19.09)
thats a perfect example of barbarian is the israeli regime on its OWN soldiers and people. that explains as well the barbarian acts and massacres weve seen in Lebanon and palestine in the last decades.
34. Listen up people-#3 IS NOT a CO.He is a fraud. ALL CO's have
been ORDERED NOT ,   to talk about this.   (07.19.09)
35. Hazing
Dr. Susan Lipkins ,   Port Washington, USA   (07.19.09)
As a psychologist and author of PREVENTING HAZING, I can verify the fact that hazing as described in this article occurs on a daily basis throughout the world. Perpetrators believe they have the right and duty to haze, as they themselves were hazed. For more info please visit my site: www.insidehazing.com
36. 31: Third try to answer: The beasts shown to Peter were the
(07.19.09)
gentile nations of the world who were now eligible for people to teach them the religion of the Jews and Rabbi Yeshua. People don't eat bears and wild cats and other beasts. It was not food. It was nations. You need to read the Hebraic Roots Version Bible since you swallowed a commandment of men on this one instead of doctrine. God is not a liar and He does not change, so the food laws are still valid as is circumcision and all the other 613 commandments of the Tanakh and Torah. The Talmud is commandments of men, not doctrine of God, Rabbi Yeshua made clear. He said those who loved him would obey his commandments: the laws of Moses. Grace does not free one from the guidance of the law that only Yeshua could keep 100%. What would be the standard if the laws were made void? The law was NOT made void. The law still stands as to what is right since there is no standard of right without the law.
37. The photo of welts looks like the backside of JoAnn Trabu of
Rivkah   (07.19.09)
Iola Frans Elementary school in Tucson, Arizona, in 1959 when the Spanish teacher (male) became enraged at something dumb JoAnn said or did in class, and he lost it. He beat the shit out of her fanny and she went home and cried, too, just like this fellow. Her mother said if she got whipped, she must have deserved it. And that was the end of it. JoAnn at age 10 got a worse whipping from an enraged foreign teacher than this IDF fellow, but she got over it and life went on. The teacher did not lose his job like the fellow who whipped the IDF recruits, however. Times have changed.
38. 31 Read the book of Acts again, pal. The beasts of the
Rivkah   (07.19.09)
earth that were shown that were no longer unclean were the NATIONS of the earth, symbolized by beasts. That meant the religion of the Jewish Messiah could be taken to all the world, not just to the Jews and the lost house of Israel. You have been misled by the devil into thinking you can eat anything. God is not a liar. Malachi the Prophet said God does not change. So following the food laws and circumcizing males brings protection and a blessing. Not all the 613 laws of the Tanakh are applicable today or to all people, but following what you can follow brings a blessing from obedience. Rabbi Yeshua you say you follow said those who love him would obey his commandments: the Tanakh and the Torah, not the oral traditions of the Talmud. The devil is very active in religions and churches and families and governments because he is so successful at corrupting those sacred institutions. Don't you think he would corrupt the Bible in translations, too? Get a Hebraic Roots Version Bible from Michael Rood ministries and learn what is said that is directly translated from Hebrew to English. Get his email sermons and books and see how he was misled for 25 years with commandments of men of churches until he started following doctrine. Mark 7:7 says, "How be it in VAIN do they worship me, teaching for doctrine the commandments of MEN." Allowing people to eat unclean foods is a commandment of men, not a doctrine of God.
39. 32 Mark: If you prefer to be a swine eater, then the Messiah
Rivkah   (07.19.09)
will not protect you from diseases or fire or floods. Do you really think the Lord would have protected Daniel from a lion's den and Daniel's three friends from a firey furnace if they did not refuse to eat unclean foods? You are so deceived. And cleanliness is not next to godliness. Better to be right with God and dirty than to be a swine eater and and be whistle clean and out of God's favor.
40. 31: The beasts of the earth were symbols of NATIONS,not food
R.   (07.19.09)
groups. YOU need to read the book of Acts again, but this time read the Hebraic Roots Version Bible from Rabbi Michael Rood's website. You have been deceived by commandments of men and you reject the doctrine of God in regard to foods to eat. Rabbi Yeshua said those who love him would OBEY his commandments. He was refering to the written Tanakh and the Torah, not the traditions of the Talmud or the perverted teachings of churches that are called a mother harlot (false religion) and harlot daughters. They don't even teach the right Shabbat, for goodness sake. Don't you think Rabbi Yeshua would have changed the Shabbat to another day if he wanted it changed? Don't you think Rabbi Yeshua would have objected to circumcision if that was not part of the doctrine of God? Wake up. Go back to the roots of the faith that are JEWISH, not Mithraism that the mother and daughter harlot churches are based on. The pagan Norse and Mithra religion of Persia and the Babylonian sungod worship all had/have SUNDAY for a sabbath. They eat pork and whatever they want because they are heathen.
42. Which Mother & Father would send his son to IDF?
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (07.19.09)
Possibly only those left their children to starvation during teenages, and they survived despite all cruelties of their parents. IDF will complete your torture and kill your sons. It seems recent news regarding a mother starving his son is not a single example. IT must be a tradition in Israel. You European and US jews, shall you send your Chilnder still to IDF to serve as soldiers? Tortur, Rape, and humiliation that is IDF, Marx said long ago a nation supressing another cannot free itself either. An ARMY torturing, decimating fiercely other children cannot act better against their own soldiers and children, they will certainly torture them.
43. It does not look like torture to me...
Army Commander ,   Israel   (07.19.09)
It looks more like a nasty rash. I hope its not contageous because I would hate for my men to be running around with a nasty rash like that.
44. #13 Moish
Army Commander ,   Israel   (07.19.09)
I hate to say it Moish, but being extra tough with Hareidis is the norm. With Haredis it went beyond toughness to actually trying to humiliate the recruits.
45. What do you think Krav Maga is?
Dan - IDF Veteran ,   Earth   (07.19.09)
Krav Maga which is an integral part of all special forces training in the IDF is all about getting your ass kicked so when your in the field you are a tough motherfucker who can take a hit or two and keep on fighting. This is a little less classy and less useeful, but it does make a tougher soldier.
46. Shame on you. Sick and Bizzare..........
Asher ,   NY,USA   (07.19.09)
47. Thank you Ynet & A Clarification
Avi   (07.19.09)
Thank you for pointing out the extent of what happened. From the looks of it, this was senseless Jew on Jew violence that has no place in IDF. The commanders were very poor and were rightfully imprisoned. Again, I do expect professionalism in the way IDF carries out its duties to society.Hazing and sadism do not have a place in it. I don't like to see Jew on Jew violence-it struck a cord. When I made my statement, I thinking in terms of preparing the boys in the event they should become POWs. That's really to the extent of it. Also, as far as toughening them, that could be achieved by training in the desert in summer. It's hard, but hopefully it teaches the important skill of working in group.
48. #3 Where you ever In the army.....
DT ,   TA Israel   (07.19.09)
,are in the army ,or is it " fantasy land" ? If so there are two types (until they get found out) The "Sgt Barnes's in Platoon" or those who act tough and when the shooting starts are nowhere to be seen or at best "leading from the rear" .
49. Extreme brutality
DT ,   TA Israel   (07.19.09)
This is inexcusable. Dismissal is too good for any such perpetrators and they should have a long jail term. Where did the IDF go so badly wrong ?
50. to #42 lol Army service is mandatory, they don't
ghostq   (07.19.09)
ask you, lol only freeloaders r not recruted among the ultra orthodox and arab muslems.
51. Very sick
Mark ,   Jerusalem   (07.19.09)
These people must be sick to beat up other Jews and deserve to be beaten up as punishment, I would be happy to do it. It makes me have second thoughts to let my son be in our army and send him to do national service instead.
52. All [ ir]responsible were punished
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.19.09)
[ Israel Radio-Reshet Beth news ]
53. Punishment should only be by the State of course
Howie ,   Montreal, Canada   (07.19.09)
Only the State and the Army have and should have the power and the right to justly punish any offenders of course. It would be most humane and serve the community and the cause of justice best for the courts to sentence the offending Commanders to a mandatory psychiatric hospital for a few years for treatment for their mental illness. No officer in their right mind would do injure their own troops like that. It is very sad and disgusting. Hopefully, the commanders can be cured and rehabilitated. The State must send a strong signal to discourage any other potential sadists.
54. #33
(07.19.09)
although i do not condon this act....sending innocent civilians and children on suicide missions againsyt israel is THE HIGHEST FORM OF BARBARITY THERE IS. hizbullah does this constantly. hameed abuoghaze iran
55. #45
mark ,   ca   (07.19.09)
Dan,look at the picture.There is NO single element of Krav Maga according to what I see. I guess IDF Earth gave you updated version of Krav Maga :-))
56. #39
mark ,   ca   (07.19.09)
Visit Yad Vashem and ask yourself why our people who did everything by the Book was never saved. I'm sure you will find another excuse.
57. Psychologist and hazing expert:
Dr. Susan Lipkins ,   Port Washington, USA   (07.24.09)
Victims who told the truth are heroes. Hazing such as this is common throughout the world. Only when victims and bystanders become vocal and active will hazing stop. Kudos to the Israelis for exploring and exposing the abuses that are common to hazing. For more info please visit my website:www.insidehazing.com
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