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Pride and prejudice
Shlomi Laufer
Published: 02.08.09, 08:17
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1. Shas has blood on its hands
Avi ,   Israel   (08.02.09)
it was just a matter of time before someone acted on the words of Eli Yishai, Nissim Ze`ev and Benizri (who is now behind bars) as a member of the gay community i place the blame with Shas this is the results of their hate campaign. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this terrible cowardly act of murder.
2. its not time to run and hide
Leon ,   Tel Aviv   (08.02.09)
attacks like this scare the hell out of me and not knowing who this man is and why last night he decided to go to a weekly meeting and slaughter these amazingly strong teenagers. Pride is the lesson to learn from here, we need to stand together and stand up to this hatred. We fight this hatred so attacks like this one never happen again.
3. you hot headed imp, who told you it was
ghostq   (08.02.09)
orthodox Separehd jew it could be eaily Askenaz secular jew. and it could be inner comunity gay dispute, mmm my guess it was a gay who were in complete denile and couldn't handle the fact he is gay, Have you watched American Beauty, it is quit known phenomena. I have the feeling I would say I told you so.
4. Hate and Tolerance
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron-Israel   (08.02.09)
For me the answer is simple. The city council's position is just a political position and does not reflect the real feeling of the people. However much I am against killing or attacking in anyway a fellow Jew, I understand that to live in a world of lies is really bad. Gays are accepted in society mostly because of international pressure, that of course doesn't mean people like them, and your parades are offensive to many people, as well as your openly showing "love" to each other in the streets. Try not to show up and things will be much easier! I'm not talking about hiding, I'm talking about not showing up and believe that you have the right to do things that may offend other people. Would you like nazis to defend their right to think the way they think? I'm not comparing, but there are things that simply most of the people don't like, don't want for their children, and must not be confronted with your pride.
5. Incitement
Amir ,   Israel   (08.02.09)
The gay incitement against religious Jews knows no boundaries. We don't even know who did this despicable murder and why and they already rush to attack Shas. It's a shame these perverted people don't know how to shut up and behave in a respectful and dignified manner. They even use yesterday's tragic event to further their political goals. The people killed and injured yesterday are the shahids of the gays.
6. to #5 the gay r not inciting against religious jews
ghostq   (08.02.09)
the lack of tolerance towards secular is enough evidence secular needs, secular don't like being forced to do religious rituals, and don't tell seculars where they can or can't park their car they don't hurt religious people by it, in conclution your a tad paranoied.
7. #4 Ricardo sorry if love offends you
Avi ,   Israel   (08.02.09)
how sad to read your article i was wondering if you find two young people murdered in cold blood gunned down for the crime of being gay. 'Showing love in the streets" Sorry if you are afraid of love, but love comes in many forms and not just the hetrosexual religious variety all nealtly packaged for your sensative pallets. We are all entitled to love and be loved , straight or gay. In the year 2009 we are denied our basic human rights i work pay taxes and serve in the army yet the ultra orthadox do nothing, live off my tax money and dont serve in the army, you call that justice ? Do you see gay people acting violent in the streets buring trash cans attacking our police and calling them nazis, throwing stones at cars do you find that offensive? OR is it just love you have a problem with?
8. Comment
Mohammad ,   Jordan   (08.02.09)
I am wondering why Ynet has not described the attackers as "terrorists"?? or this term should be used exclusively against Arabs and Muslims??!! Whoever committed this crime have killed "innocent civilians" just for being different. This incident shows us that religous fanatics are very similar, regardless of their religion. Hope we can live in a religion "hatred" free world. I am not a gay, but i have a lot of respect and sympathy for gays all over the world and they should have the right to be proud of what they are. However, those who live in denial and refuse what nature gave them are the troubled ones and in need for urgent treatment.
9. to #8 that's cause muslims did so many
ghostq   (08.02.09)
attackes and killed so many Israelis and jews during the years there is still a monument of brother grave in jeruslem it is actualy jordan doing, this is just an isolated insident, I hope(realy), anyway you r right about the self hate, people should recognize what they r. nothing to be a shamed of.
10. Enough of the brainwashing
JP   (08.02.09)
Fear and hate?! There is nothing wrong with a person who sees the dangers of such behavior. Some can say that the "chose death" that such sin represents is nothing more than the bringing of the wrath of G-d. The wrath of G-d that lays children in graves and people into death camps. Outside of G-d's wrath, it is not harmless in a secular way either. It is not free from brainwashing attemps to make sex partners out of the lonely and impressionable with a cult like carnival sales pitch. Keep it at home and stop telling me I am wrong for promoting heterosexuality as the right and only way G-d intended. I will not be shamed and let articles like this label me, persecute me and sell evil to our nation. The killing of children in Tel Aviv is a heartbreak. Gay promotion in society and to confused children is wrong. Sof hasepor.
11. Blaming Shas with absolutly no evidence is insitement.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (08.02.09)
The orthodox condem the gays, and give a reason for doing so. It is written. The gays condem the orthodox because ??? because the orthodox dont like them??? No because the gays know they are wrong and the best defence is attack. Their reaction is as bad as the arabs. Go look after your dead and wounded, and shut up for a change.
12. To the world some lives are worth more than others
Jew   (08.02.09)
When I read the title "Anti-Gay Attack Shocks World", I couldn't help remembering the murder of 13 year old Shlomo Nativ, and the injuring of another child by an axe wielding terrorist in Bat Ayin early this year. While this murder will make the headlines all over the world and outrage millions of people, the murder of Shlomo Nativ was barely reported by the Israeli media and relegated to the back pages on other media, if covered at all. By the same token, while anti-homosexual prejudice is actively condemned by every major political group in Israel, other sectors of the Jewish population are politically-correct targets for general opprobrium, such as the religious in general, and the settlers in particular. An innocent life is an innocent life. Hatred is hatred. A young person's life is not more valuable because he/she represents the gay community than the lives of children who happen to live in Judea and Samaria. And please do not be so quick to attribute this present attack on a religious Jew, or worse, on the religious community in general. There is a very good chance that this crime was perpetrated by motives that have nothing to do with the religious Jews. I'm one hundred percent secular, by the way.
13. When you flaunt your lifestyle,knowing most don't like it,
stuff like this is ,   just gonna happen.   (08.02.09)
14. The lines of "Love the sinner,but hate the sin", often blurr
where this lifestyle ,   is concerned.   (08.02.09)
15. Solidarity
GLYDSA ,   NY, USA   (08.02.09)
The Gay and Lesbian Yeshiva Day School Alumni Association, based in NYC, sends its support and condolences to the LGBT community in Israel. Chazak v'Ematz.
16. Who has blood on their hands?
Mark ,   Jerusalem   (08.02.09)
Lets not decide who has blood on their hands until they catch the person.
17. Oh Puhleez! In a month or so, NO ONE will remember this.
Life moves on,&so ,   should we.   (08.02.09)
18. To Avi about love
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron-Israel   (08.02.09)
Dear Avi, I understand that the difference between us is mostly the concept of what love is. For me, love is a very deep feeling that you feel not to many times in life, or better said, not to many people. It´s absolutely different from sexual attraction, I was not religious all my life, I served in the army, I work and pay taxes, so I know what life is. Unluckily, many people mistake being horny with being in love. To kiss someone in the beach in front of everybody is not showing love, just how difficult it´s for you to refrend in front of other people your sexual instinct, don´t try to sell that crap to everybody. Movies are fantasy, real life is different. Be a man! Whatever your sexual inclinations are!
19. Proud to stand with the gay community
Proud Secular Jew ,   ta   (08.02.09)
This shameful act hurts Israel's image and our pride at being an accepting and modern nation. I hope all gays and lesbians in Tel Aviv and around Israel stay strong and don't give in to the haters. Be proud.
20. #13 flaunting lifestyle
Lisa   (08.02.09)
flaunting lifestyle? You are offended by gay and lesbian lifestyle? Are you offended also by orthodox lifestyle? Different look? Different dressing, behavior? Sounds to me you are just intolerant- nobody is forcing you to look, and copy the lifestyle. Can't you just accept people that are different? Intolerance has been the root of all evil and persecutions in the past, of Jews, other religions, races- do we need to perpetuate it forever and ever? When do we as humans grow up and become really HUMAN?
21. #1 kangaroo court
eddie ,   london   (08.02.09)
no evidence
22. To Rebecca
Frank ,   San Diego, U.S.   (08.03.09)
The Haredim condemn gays even if they are abstinent. Furthermore, these Holier-Than-Thou Bronze-Age bigots blame gays for natural disasters which have a scientific explanation. They riot at the drop of a hat when someone drives on a Saturday, but if one of their number commits murder in the name of their religion, as happened when a Haredi publicly stabbed a gay man in the heart in Jerusalem, the Haredim don't complain. They are no different from the Islamists who riot and threaten murder over a cartoon, but make no comment about the murder of thousands of innocents in the name of their religion. Let the Haredim shut up or let them renounce modernity completely. Let them do without science and medicine or let the rest of the world acknowledge the fact that the Haredim are backward and hypocritical.
23. First they came for the Arabs ....
Chanalau, Tova ,   London, UK   (08.03.09)
then the gays ... next in line presumably: the non-believers.
24. #23, Who is "they"?
Jake   (08.03.09)
25. We know gays exist
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (08.05.09)
Are pride parades necessary. The whole world knows that gays exist, they have existed since Torah times, so why do they have to advertise themselves on the streets. If they are so proud of them selves then they would be more modest in there actions. In Jerusalem the Holy City of the Jewish people the pride parades have become more modest to what they use to be but on the streets of Tel Aviv we see men in their thongs, kissing on the streets, how do these acts of immodesty help towards helping the homophobic world like "gays". The more immodest they become more wood is put on the fire and the higher the flames the general public become more homophobic and the more homophobia the need to stay in the closet. Most heterosexuals keep lovemaking in their homes behind closed doors so why can't homosexuals do the same thing. I feel if a homosexuals would act more like heterosexuals, then there would be more tolerance amongst heterosexuals which would then mean that the violence we have been reading about lately would become less and there would be no need to have special groups helping people come out of the closet. I have many homosexual modest friends who have no need to take part in these parades and I love them as I love all my friends.
26. #20 First of all, the love of money is the root of all evil,
#13 ,   Israel   (08.05.09)
so let's get that straight. Second of all, no matter where in the world you live, you will always hear about gays being beaten up, slandered & murdered. You talk about us Jews being intolerant. Yet in your own country, the intolerant seculars took a gay college boy, tied him to a tree, beat the crap out of him, & tortured him to death, and left him tied to the tree to rot to death. Also, I read an article where in N.Carolina a few years ago, secular young boys waited outside a gay bar for someone guy to come out, pushed him in their truck, drove to the out skirts of town, tied a rope around him, and drug him behind the truck for 5 miles until there was just a stub of a human being left. And gee guess what sweetheart, they were secular Americans. What they did was absolutely HORRIBLE, but it backs up what I said. You can flaunt that lifestyle by how you act, where you hang out at, and how you insist on marching & flaunting your pride in a parade. But one thing is for sure, you do it knowing that most don't like it and you have set yourself up for a backlash that you wish to God you never would see. Whether it's from American seculars, Israeli seculars, or religious people from all walks of llfe. My, my, just look what their PRIDE has brought them. As far as me being intolerant is concerned, nothing is futher from the truth, yet you in your intolerance of me have already judged me of being that way. So now I will ask you your same question----"When will you as a human being grow up and become really HUMAN?
27. #25 Moshe
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (08.06.09)
The Pride Parade exists for people like you who need to learn that gay people deserve equality. It is not a parade to flaunt sex it is a parade to demand that sexual orientation -ANY SEXUAL ORIENTATION-is no reason to deny rights. You cry about Jerusalem being a holy city. It is also Israel's capital city. The seat of government. It is a city filled with religious people and secular people. It is ONLY the religious people who are violent there. That seems wrong to me. Heterosexuals kiss and get passionate in public. They do NOT "keep it in the bedroom." Why should anyone be asked to do so? Are you ashamed of expressing love? Are you ashamed of sex? If so I pity you. But no matter what your beliefs of homosexuality, MURDER IS WRONG. Check the 10 COMMANDMENTS there is one about murder..one about adultery...where's the one about being gay?
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