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No moderate Palestinians
Shaul Rosenfeld
Published: 04.08.09, 15:35
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31. HELLO GOOD MORNING
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (08.04.09)
Well well someone is waking up out of a long lasting slumber. Amazing that after all the failed talks and gestures from our side, Dr Rosenfeld dares to write this for Ynet. Question for our elevated elitists, how can a terrorist be a"moderate'", does he hate and murder moderatly? Our peaceniks are so busy tallking they fail to listen, to what our moderate (haha) peace partners have been saying all along. A dream of peace is great, but you have to be wide awake and deal with the reality, in order to realize it. Many Israelis over the years have lost grip and have forgotten that we are living in a very dangerous neighbourhood, were only the fittest survive. All this elevated talk and inaction only gives more fuel to the bunch of ruthless killlers we are dealing with here. Israelis love to say,"never again" reffering to Holocast. But over the years they have been preparing for their own Holocast by ignoring a very long line of warning signals. It is not to late yet, but we are getting very close to a point of no return,so Dr Rosenfeld I hope you are able to wake all those day dreamers before it is to late.
32. Solution: Muslim conversion to Judaism
Crazy Horse ,   USA   (08.05.09)
The most humane, and Jewish, response to the conflict isn't to replace the people living within Israel's borders, but the souls of those people. Let's do our best to sell Judaism to Muslims. Who knows how many thousands will choose a religion that loves life over one that loves death?
33. Are we really fit for survival?
Felix   (08.04.09)
ALL we need is prompt the Israelis to fully believe that we, the arabs, really want peace. ABBAS in 1998. This is their "cris de guerre" since'48and the gullible Jews bought it . ------------------------------------------------- The Palestinian people is prepared to sacrifice the last boy and girl, in order for our flag to fly on the walls, the churches, the mosques in Jerusalem -ARAFAT 06/08/1993 ---- And the jews instead of crushing this cobra, send him congratulations on the birth of his (?) child. -- not gullible, just stupid. -------------------------------------------------- Peace with Egypt? - (who needs enemies). The Govt, the media, the educational system, the mosques continue to spew their Islamic venom toward Jews every day. They don't even bother to hide it; all one has to do is listen. ---------------------------------------------------Peace with Jordan?. With 70% of the population palestinians, His Majesty's Govt has decreed 2-3 weeks ago, that their citizenship and passports are to be revoked so that when the time is ripe, they can overwhelm Israel as citizen of palestine. Nice to have such good friends. ------------------------------------------------- Do we need more documentation, more facts from the Saudis, from Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, and the balance of the 1.2 billion off THEM?. The whole world knows that Islam is a so-called religion, of hate, deceit, lies, oppression, destruction. Interestingly enough, the only human specie to get Almost equal treatment as we Jews get, are women. They (the arabs)slaughter them (honor of course), stone them live, burn them, hang them, disfigure them (only if rejected), rape them , and more. Killing each other has been going on since the 'invention' of Islam without respite, by the millions. They are sex crazed, and for the coveted 72 whores, they would sacrifice their mother. With this caliber of foe, only one choice for survival.... eliminate them; with time and the right moment , they will do it; and time they have plenty.
34. #9, i missed that bit of history
Danny   (08.05.09)
The part where Israel rounded up all the Palestinians under their control and systematically killed 80% of them. I also missed the part where Jews launched an attack to throw Germany into the sea. I missed the part where Jews killed 1% of the german population in a year - roughly equivalent to killing 6,000 Palestinians or the number killed in nearly 10 years. I missed the bit where Hitler installed Jews as Supreme court judges, as MPs, as generals in the Nazi Army, as ministers. I missed the bit were the Jews in Nazi Germany had the same rights as non-Jews. I guess I must have been blinded by propaganda.
35. Moderates in WWII France were called Vichy!
rafat ,   athens   (08.05.09)
36. #34
Sam ,   ME   (08.05.09)
Yin for yan is not an argument. Used to be in the middle ages not now!!! If you want I can give you examples of Jewish atrocities back in the days and Muslim kindness but as i told it is not an argument.
37. #23
Sam ,   ME   (08.05.09)
Thanks for the correction you understood what i was trying to say this is what matters.
38. Good article, and by an Israeli philosopher yet
Clear Thinker ,   Haifa   (08.05.09)
It's good to see one pro-Israel Israeli philosopher. I didn't think that there were any.
39. Faisal Husseini: Oslo Is A Trojan Horse
Ken Jurist   (08.05.09)
Jewish guilt will destroy Israel. http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/publications/dispatch/betweenthelines/Article-27.html The Late In Husseini's last interview with the the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav in 2001. Husseini said, it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps or "gradual" goals, because in this way, "We are setting an ambush for the Israelis and cheating them." He also differentiated between, "strategic," long term, "higher" goals, and "political," short term goals dependent on "the current international establishment, balance of power, capabilities, and variable considerations that change from time to time." Nevertheless, the Palestinians have been forced to temporarily concentrate on "gradual diplomatic goals." However, the main goal is the "liberation of all Palestine from the river (Jordan) to the sea (Mediterranean)," even if this requires a struggle that will continue "1,000 years, or generations upon generations."
40. Why are left wing Jews so gullable to what the Arabs want.
David Stoler   (08.05.09)
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28777 TROUBLE IN THE HOLY LAND Palestinians consider Oslo 'Trojan horse' Leaders consistently speak of process as means to destroy Israel
41. Why the Israeli left became an apologist for Arafat.
Larry Michlin   (08.05.09)
Because they all believe in land for terror camps and cant see a murderer for what he is. Read this brilliant article on how the Israeli left appeased Arafat. Arafat's Grand Strategy. http://www.meforum.org/605/arafats-grand-strategy http://www.iris.org.il/quotes/stockhlm.htm Arafat's speech in Sweden in 1996. Arafat’s speech in front of 40 Arab diplomats in the Grand Hotel in Stockholm, Sweden, on January 30, 1996. Was called "The Impending Collapse of Israel". Arafat said, Our goal is the total Destruction of Israel. We will take over everything including all of Jerusalem," he declared repeatedly. "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!" http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/142002f.asp The top Al Asqa terrorist has told USA Today all terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians come from Yasser Arafat.
42. That is philosphy?
Marilyn ,   Adelaide   (08.05.09)
What disgraceful rubbish. It's the occupation stupid.
43. Response to Post#42
Ron Soto   (08.05.09)
Occupation of what. The Palestinians want a capital which they never had, in a country that never existed.
44. Can anyone tell me why Jews support these Arabs
Eric Meyer   (08.05.09)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132736 PA Teens: Israeli Cities are 'Palestine' Hana Levi Julian Palestinian Authority Arab teens dedicated this year's high school graduation ceremony to "the Shahids (martyrs)... the prisoners... the stone and the rifle." Email readers, please click here to watch the video report. As part of the ceremony, sponsored by the Fatah faction led by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, the graduates delivered a speech identifying Haifa, Akko, Yafo (Jaffa) and Jerusalem as "Palestine." The Arabic-language festivities were translated by the media watchdog organization, Palestinian Media Watch, which monitors PA news and entertainment media. The ceremony, broadcast July 28, 2009 on Al-Filistinya TV (Fatah), was held on a stage festooned with a sign that read: "Tribute to high school graduates under the auspices of Mahmoud Abbas, Fatah." A transcript of part of the speech follows: Male graduate: "In the name of the Shahids (Martyrs), in the name of the prisoners, in the name of the stone and the rifle." Female graduate: "In the name of Fatah, the school that taught us the meaning of nationalism." Male graduate: "in the name of Palestine: Haifa, Acre, Jaffa, and our Arab Jerusalem." Female graduate: "In the name of Palestine: Gaza, the West Bank and the flag of national unity." Male graduate: "Fatah is [still] with the rifle. And our rifles are not rusty even if they have fired thousands of bullets."
45. What is an Arab Moderate?
Norman Gellman ,   Rehovot, israel   (08.05.09)
A moderate Arab is an oxymoron, there no such thing. Once we realize that, the Arab cells are in reality fundamentalist religious groups we can understand why no matter what we the Jews do, they will have an excuse for demanding more until Israel ceases to exist. This is the infamous “salami” method of cutting things up until nothing is left. As the writer says, there is no moderate Arab, I agree. Is there any Arab political leader or religious leader who has spoken out against Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. actions?
46. No! to peace at any price.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (08.06.09)
To cry peace, peace, when there is no peace, as the Jewish prophet, Jeremiah, taught us long ago, is not an expression of hope but a foolish and dangerous abrogation of reality. It dulls the mind and the aspiration of a people who then become lost and blinded under a veritable veil of deception. Peace is impossible for a nation like Israel without its own demonstration of unassailable military strength and its utter rejection of concessions to an implacable enemy. The Arab world respects strength. It treats concessions with complete and utter scorn. It considers overtures of peace as a sign of weakness and becomes emboldened in its aggression. No! to concessions : http://xrl.us/biz8x
47. wow a non-looney non-leftist academician
Mambo   (08.06.09)
Is he allowed to have lunch at the school's cafeteria?
48. These crescendoed ravings at Fatah
ameneyman ,   calif. U.S.A.   (08.07.09)
convention are more than political or economical issues. They are not expressing a loving devotion to natiional interests ot well-deserved respect that comes from collective accomplishments as in patriotism. This delerium of disdain is expression of perverted and pathological self-absorbtion and pride in the form of extremem narcissistic nationalism. These Fatah leaders need to be tamed and not negotiated with!
49. moderate Palis...don't exist!
Mark ,   San Francisco, USA   (08.09.09)
Thank you Dr. Rosenfeld..would that Israelis as a whole would read your column and take it to heart, believe that the arabs have never once wavered from their desire to right the "nakba". It will take a great effort to give up the nonsense that the arabs want peace-they want to eliminate Israel.
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