Opinion
The ‘other Israel’
Yoram Ettinger
Published: 07.08.09, 00:15
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31. ISRAEL
know it all ,   new york, ny   (08.07.09)
Now all that has to be done is to modernize and revamp the terrible medical system.
32. Number 27 summs it all up!
Esh Tamid ,   Denver, co   (08.07.09)
The pal attitude... Oh u jews stop doing things to advance humanity and please pull us out of this mess we created. My friend only you can create a pal state... U have miserably failed.
33. To #23
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (08.07.09)
How can a measly 7+/- million US Jews force companies to award contracts to Israel?? Careful how you answer that, because either you imply that a handful of Jews bamboozled billions of Non-Jews or that those Jews are, in fact, so rich and powerful, because they're simply better educated than the average bear. If it were all and only a matter of money, how do you explain the state of the Palis, who have had as much, if not more, money shoveled in their direction by every bleeding heart under the sun, not to mention by super-rich Arabs and naive Americans? As for Jews being smarter, it probably has to do with the way they view education, a direct result of being hounded throughout history. Although she died when I was 16, my mother never let up with "Until they stand you against the wall and shoot you, nobody can take away what's in your head, so go and put something in there." Due to the time and circumstances, most of her admonitions started with "Until they stand you against the wall and shoot you" and they always ended with exhortations to listen to one's conscience, not to waste whatever time and good sense God had graciously bestowed, and to share with the less fortunate. Just a little joke here: What's a Jewish man's age of consent? According to his mother, when he graduates from med school. But let's look at some facts. Out of the world's population of 6.776 billion only 14+/- million are Jews, and yet, they have won 26% of the Nobel Prizes for Medicine; 18% for Chemistry'; 37% for Economics; 24% for Physics; 11% for Literature. Sparing me that World Jewry Conspiracy BS, how do you explain that? As for God only asking how one treated one's neighbor, take a long, hard look at history and start to pray for forgiveness.
34. Adam , chanalo and alikes . Read this book
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.07.09)
Israel in the world . Changing lives through innovation . By Helen Davis & Douglas Davis . Foreword by Ruppert Murdoch . Weidenfeld & Nicolson 2005 . You will see that this article gives only a very small part of Israeli innovative spirit , and what the World owes to my small [ in size ] country
35. #13 LOL LOL LOL LOL
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (08.07.09)
That was so funny!!!!
36. to all who post about the "other Israel"
redbourn ,   tel aviv - Israel   (08.07.09)
I made Aliyah 6 years ago with very little money and am very happy with my life in Israel. I am Anglo/American. I was initially shocked to discover that Israelis are more spoiled than either Americans or Europeans. Try giving green toilet paper to someone that wanted pink, or 3% cottage to someone that asked for 5% or vice versa. I did, and both items were rejected. The average salary in TA is nis 8,000+ and I live on far less. I don't know anybody without at least one cell phone, a TV, a washing machine, and a fridge etc. And 40% of Israelis have broadband! The posts about the "other Israel" are simple Jewish winging. Mike
37. #23 - you have no knowledge of what Israel gets from the US
martin ,   tel aviv - Israel   (08.07.09)
If you had, you wouldn't have made your post. Israel’s gross domestic product (GDP) grew 6.6 percent in the first quarter of 2006 and is presently said to be GDP: $161.9 billion. So U.S. aid to Israel of 2.62 billion represents only 1.6% of Israel’s GDP. All of the 'aid' is military and 80% has to be spent in the US. Israel became the world’s fourth largest arms exporter in 2007, after signing contracts worth $4.3 billion, according to the Defense Ministry, and only the U.S.A., Russia and France export more arms. Sorry to bore you with facts but you can find more here. http://tinyurl.com/usaidtoisrael And then make more informed posts. Martin
38. #15 < Aol Messenger is the old ICQ
Tom Mix ,   Germany   (08.07.09)
ICQ was the first messenger ever and was developed in 1996 by Mirabilis. The company was founded by four young Israelis: Yair Goldfinger, Arik Vardi, Sefi Vigiser and Amnon Amir. AFTER AOL BOUGHT IT, it was managed by Ariel Yarnitsky and Avi Shechter. Regarding mobile phones, do a search under “Motorola Israel” in Wikipedia. Google it's OK too. Centrino CPUs are totally developed in Israel, look for an Israeli name in the datasheet of your Laptop/PC. This is your Processor. Windows XP, Vista, Windows 7 are all based fully on the core-architecture of Windows NT. I can see the colors in your face :O))
39. BLAH BLAH BLAH
Struggling Writer ,   San Francisco   (08.08.09)
These are the same talking points that I've heard the last four years from Israel advocacy groups. While I applaud Israel's achievements, this is not journalism. This is positive propaganda dressed up with quotes. Congratulations on your success Israel, but YNET, this is a lousy excuse for a column.
40. Eli , 27 , does'nt know History
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.08.09)
if , instead you had created a Palestinian state .....You wrote . You don't know that they , the arabs , rejected the partition plan of the UN in 1947 ? We agreed to this plan .
41. 33
Rosie ,   Israel   (08.08.09)
Thank you very much for your TB!
42. the question is
observer ,   Jerusalem ,palestine   (08.09.09)
not did you get there ? the question is how did you get there ? spying ,cheating ,stealing ,murder,deception and finally acting . .
43. AUTHOR: 100,000 HUNGRY KIDS
mattityahu ,   beer sheva   (08.09.09)
As a teacher, I know for a fact that dozens of children come to my school hungry -- no breakfast, no sandwich to eat at 0930, and faculty members have observed a few stealing from the supermarkets. No lunch at school for the majority. There's no money at school for them but you write about lots of investment capital. With a full stomach, the hungry kids don't concern you. Write about the responsibility of Israel's largest businesses to do their part for so many below the poverty level. Older Israeli Americans remember "jungle capitalism." Are you even aware of it?
44. observer , 42
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.09.09)
Are the , at least , 157 Jewish Nobel prizes not a PROOF that we don't need to do any of the things you wrote ? What about the quantity of Universitary persons ? what about the quantity of books edited here ? How many do you have ? Stay in your retarded world , we , Israelis live in the 21st century . Learn also some geography . Jerusalem is ISRAEL .
45. Mattithyahu , Beer Sheva
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.09.09)
Is the poverty in Israel related to the investments ? Don't you think that if the industry makes more money , the governement will have more abilities to combat poverty . This fight is not the industry's one , but maybe they contribute to to this fight . We have also to find out why there is poverty , what caused it .
46. So if everything is so great
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (08.09.09)
why is the quality of life so low in Israel? Jerusalem is 119th place and Tel Aviv 103rd place on the Mercer's quality of living scale. That's pretty low. Toronto is in 15th place on that scale and nicer than any city in Israel. Will the rich Jews please fix up the country (which is dirty and filthy) and share the wealth with your fellow Jews. In Israel, twenty percent of the population is living below the poverty line. How selfish can we get?
47. Rich , Toronto
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.09.09)
This index is : carefully selective factors representing the criteria most relevant to international EXECUTIVES . this takes also in account the general security , a great concern regarding Israel . So this index is not very relevant to the "other Israel" .
48. #46 Israel High in Human Development
Andi ,   Israel   (08.09.09)
UN Human Development Index ranks Israel 24, 1 behind Germany, and just 3 behind the UK. I guess it depends on which ranking you go by.
49. To Rich from Toronto
Gabor Frankl ,   Budapest, Hungary   (08.09.09)
Better be more careful Toronto guy! I personally think All your cities are boredom to the death, full of litter and dirt on the streets of Toronto, and architecturally simply a farce. Not one piece of truely historic architectural gem. Oh, maybe I am wrong. Ther's the brutish CN Tower for you for that. There's absolutely nothing to do there compared with Israel. In general, always the borest cities tend to be those of highest quality of life, but in the meantime you become bored to death while being there! I appeal to Ynet not to censor my message here! And I salute the writer Mr. Ettinger!
50. #48, the UN Human Development is not Credible
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (08.09.09)
Germany is visually way nicer than the UK or Israel. So when I see Israel just behind Germany that's just nonsense. In Israel the taxes are so high, and the place is so dirty and filthy, how can you enjoy life over there? You are fooling yourself. You need to travel to other countries and you will see that Israel is not so nice.
51. #49, Toronto looks nicer than Budapest
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (08.10.09)
and any city in Israel. And if Israel is so full of activity how come you are not living there? I lived in Israel, I didn't like it and I left. The taxes are too high, and rich Jews need to fix up the country, and share the wealth by creating jobs that pay enough money so people can live there with their self-respect and dignity as human beings. Jews are getting no justice in Israel.
52. Rich , you left , and now criticize
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.11.09)
you needed to find an excuse for your flight , for self justification . Are you happy now that you found this , irrelevant to our story , index ? I made Alyah , not yerida , to be at HOME , BABAYIT . Do you are at home in Toronto ?
53. #23 you speak of b.s.?
tom ,   toronto, canada   (08.16.09)
funny you should mention american aid - egypt, for example, receives almost exactly as much american aid as israel, thanks to jimmy carter and the camp david accord. (approximately $2.3 billion versus israel's $2.4.) how many intel processors were developed in egypt, or in the entire arab world, which receives many times that much "foreign aid"? how many new drugs? how many new agricultural strains? how many patents issued? american aid to israel is tied to buying american-made products, and works as a direct government subsidy to the american arms industry. in fact, it mostly prevents israel from developing products that might compete against america. and so it keeps american defence contractors like raytheon and general dynamics solvent, and it keeps many americans employed. the american congress, which has more access to the facts than you do, thinks that's money well-spent. the arab narrative would like to pretend that it's only american aid that keeps israel alive, but that's clearly just another salvo in their propaganda war. and you are just another "useful fool".
54. you mean american developed technology donated to Israel
pinar ,   usa   (08.17.09)
Israel developed technology bull. all the so called Israel technology is american developed technology donated to israel by zionist christians. without american zionist donated technology israelis would be nothing but poor penniless beggars. Israelis be poor penniless refugees once the white christian domination of america ends.
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