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Let’s hate them
Asaf Gefen
Published: 08.08.09, 13:45
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1. This article was a waste of time
Gershon Reed ,   Be'er Sheva, Israel   (08.08.09)
No motivation has been discovered for this crime. Wait for the results before writing about it. Who knows, it may have been a gay love crime of passion.
2. true...
moi ,   TA   (08.08.09)
I haven't seen anywhere in the world of so much hate against another "group", if it is Arabs, Ethiopians, Russians, Foreign workers, homosexuals, secular, haredim etc...everybody hates somebody....very scarry indeed...
3. I do not hate anyone
Sagi   (08.08.09)
for what they are. I hate for what they do. I judge people by their behaviour and their contribution to society and humanity and their general attitude to their fellow man. All sectorial groups are ok by me as long as they fullfil their basic obligations and act normally. When they make special demands, by violent protestations, whoever they are, they have had it, as far as I am concerned.
4. Asaf what you going to say if it's an Arab
Rod ,   Farg N. Dakota   (08.08.09)
5. Nothing like prejudging a population
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.08.09)
Until there is some sort of proof of the identity of the attacker blaming anybody for the crime is wrong.
6. Garbage! Hate goes up because the cult is failing.
Josh   (08.08.09)
The reason people are hating one another is because the cult of having to do terrible things because someone else says so is now being challenged. For example, when you will become unemployed because you treated a convert kindly, you will build decay in a society and the cult as it goes in the face of G-d and Torah. G-d loves the convert and hears the cries of good people who unjustly suffer from 800yrs of lies. When you can't do what is right and are force to give up doing a mitzvah and to do chet because someone else will harm you if you don't bend, then you will have hatred for the injustice. The gay community and the media are doing this same thing by trying to make people feel guilty about evil when it happens to gays. The attack is not about "us". Hating anything that is against a good society is a good thing. These centers support teen sex or gay sex is obviously imoral and earns it position as vile. Leave the children alone and protect them from sexual messages coming from adult deviants. Also watch for the criminals such vile behavior will attrack in attacks. New laws are needed not to protect Gay adult brainwashing of kids but to listen to society when they say protect our children from evil adults.
7. No. 2
NYC Girl   (08.08.09)
Apparently, you haven't been to the U.S. lately. Because if you have, I don't know how you've managed to miss some of the rampant hatred in this country. In fact, it's reached a point where you can barely have a civil disagreement anymore without having it descend into an ad hominen attack.
8. Very true. Time to look in the mirror and realize...
(08.08.09)
that words matter. Not only Israeli society but my own words as well.
9. Hey,why do we have to love them, when they hate us&goat us
as they float by on ,   their damn parades??   (08.08.09)
10. Asef Judgeing
Ralph Levy ,   USA   (08.08.09)
Asef, How do you know the person is even Jewish or Israeli who shot them. It may be your prejudice that is assuming before the person is caught. Would you say the Chinese American who shot 30 kids at Virginia Tech indicates that all of American Society hates university students. Get Real and look before you leap. http://ralphsrant1.blogspot.com
11. All thes idiots writing about this subject should wait
.   (08.08.09)
until the murderer is found! HE or SHE might be a depressed/frustrated homosexual!
12. for months i have been trying to convince
(08.08.09)
my nephew ,who is only 13 , that he shouldnt hate just for the sake of hating , as he always tells me , i despise arabs , russians , and ashkenazem , and so on , so i tried to get to the bottom of this hatered , and he tells me that its not his fault that he feels this way , and thats because he has been taught from day one to hate these people , and he dose not understand why , and so he just hates them , so what iam trying to say is , we are always accusing the palestinians of teaching there children to hate the jews , yet we never seem to look at what we teach our children . this nation is full of hate , and this must stop by teaching our children that they shouldnt hate just for the sake of hating , and not all arabs are bad or russians or ashkenazim , there are good and bad , and we should also look for the good , not only the bad ..
13. #11 HE or SHE???? What if we find out it was a HESHE?
I'd be depressed2if ,   had 2 live that life   (08.08.09)
14. Outside of their sexual preference they may be quite nice.I
choose to HATE the ,   lifestyle not them.   (08.08.09)
15. ???
Ron ,   L.A., USA   (08.08.09)
Way to judge an entire people who, more often than not, guard everyone and everything else as sacred while the rest of the world does not tolerate it. Homosexuality isn't okay in Arab world's. Hell, racism is alive and well in the U.S., nobody openly admits it, that's all. In Israel, people are open and honest about their views. Not to mention the point about how ALL crime is a hate crime. You have to HATE in order to commit such acts of horridness against your neighbor. Ask the Arabs, they'll let you know they don't love Jews/Israeli's. They may play the semantics game, and say they are for a state that allows for Jews to live alongside of Arabs, but only if the Arabs have the 'upper hand'.
16. Josh
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.08.09)
Hating anything that is against a good society is a good thing , you wrote . For you a "good" society is a religious one of course , with your torah rules and laws . Let me tell you that not everyone agrees with your kind of society . Look how some of your "good" society members behave .
17. That's true!
D ,   Israel   (08.08.09)
Just look at this article! It is full of hatred towards Israeli society. If anybody needs a mirror, it's the author. That's not to say that there are no issues in the Israeli society. But hey, there are everywhere. Instead of insulting everyone, though, it would be wiser to speak calmly. Hatred is bad, we should fight it, but not with hate.
18. lesbians are not homos?
Golan ,   Jerusalem   (08.08.09)
The murder at the center was and is horrible. It would also be horrible if it was the center for incest couples. I am not a supporter of the gay community but I share in their pain because after all they were our people! As for Goldstein and Amir Rabin the butcher of the Altalena should also be included. And hating the other also includes the hatred of the Haredim. They are our people too. Stop hating our own!
19. Hate between Jews was the reason for the fall of 2nd temple
Andy ,   Dortmund/Germany   (08.08.09)
Like you can read in Josephus Bellum Judaico and in parts of the Talmud it wasn't the violence of the Roman Empire which desired to destroy Jerusalem. it was the hate between the different Jewish groups which forced the Roman Forces to intervene. A people hating itself and hating minoritys is unable to live on. Try to behave like democrate people, accept the differences and try to reach a consensus. What is missing in Israel is liberalism
20. Lets stop the Hate
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (08.08.09)
Two Temples were destroyed because of HATE you think you can change the Jewish people. Once the hate stops maybe we will be able to build a Third Temple.
21. agree #1, waste of time
ben Ish   (08.08.09)
The idea of a "hate crime" is nothing less than an attack on civil populations. With the introduction of the term, civilians are formally prosecuted not only on what they think, but even what they feel. Even George Orwell never imagined intrusion on this level. Murder is illegal. You cannot make it -more- illegal. If someone is murdered by random shooting, are they less dead than someone who is killed because the killer hated them? Absurd. I do not hate anyone, nor condone hatred. I think it is a sickness of the soul. But the law should be about what someone does, not what someone feels. Where do you draw the line? Maybe the killer did hate, or maybe he had a very very strong dislike. Maybe he disagrees with someone and went off his medication. What about temporary hatred? And after we work out those issues, then what? Should we move on to legislating fear? That makes much more sense, because hatred is predictable. If someone is fearful, you never know what they might do, but it's probably something bad, so definitely *fear* should be illegal too, even more so than *hate*. Look at the complete irrationality of *Love*. Why isn't that illegal? How many people have been killed in passion or jealousy? --- Once you have started down the path by making hatred illegal, you are already on the way there. So, good luck with all that. See you in 20 years.
22. Jews and Muslims teach too much hate..
Rami of Nazareth ,   Israel   (08.08.09)
Nowaday, Christianity is the only tue tolerant religion...
23. What if the killer was raped by some gay/pedophile
No one knows yet!   (08.08.09)
and wanted revenge?
24. I have good news for those Criminals ,
Walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (08.09.09)
They will serve years in jail and they will be forced to have homosexual relations. Maybe, the justice will fulfill their secret desires...
25. to rami..22
mirna ,   jerusalem   (08.09.09)
it is not the religion but the injustice .or do you think that the cristinity is the justice .... i know there is forgivness and mercy in christinity but people like justice more than forgivness we are all people if there were no religion we like to be equall as long as there is comunication between people of any religion or any race
26. Sarcastically written article
Ezra ,   California   (08.09.09)
But seriously folks, let's study some Kabbalah to understand what's actually happening here! Nah forget it. Satan is eating. We don't want to disturb him while he's feeding off of the light. Right? Sarcastic to sarcastic.
27. What does the Holy One of Israel hate?
James ,   Toledo Ohio USA   (08.09.09)
He hates sin. He says to be HOLY because He is Holy. Holiness is hating sin and fearing the Lord. If you let sin run unrestrained in your land this is the kind of thing you can expect...and worse. Quit the sniveling whiny baby complaints and deal with getting rid of the sin. Maybe then you will be blessed.
28. Shame on the author !
Michel ,   Jerusalem   (08.09.09)
Pls don't use this very sad cases to mix politic. It's typically bolchevic way of acting!
29. you fools too busy of beng cry babies you
ghostq   (08.09.09)
forget to ask the real quetions like what the poice is doing about it, what taking them so long and if the got a lead on the murdurer? continue your pointless sobing it won't help u, you all sound like palis.
30. Don't Hate Gays. Hating Idiots Like Asaf Makes More Sense.
B. Cohen ,   USA   (08.09.09)
Who let this guy out his cage?
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