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US Jews protest Catholic document on salvation
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Published: 23.08.09, 09:24
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31. M. Hartley 29
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.23.09)
Maybe that because of your school having so much protestant pupils [ = much money , or not ? ] that they did'nt try to convert ? An old one A nun asked a pupil what she wanted to become ; a prostitute was the girl's answer . The nun fainted . when awake , what do you want to become ? a prostitute . Oh God , thanks , i had understood protestant .
32. josh cites his jesus many times
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.23.09)
normal for a christian . If he's correct , i don't know , i'm a Jew , ignorant regarding christianity .
33. To Charles #31
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (08.23.09)
Although the tuition was steep, it was the same for everybody. Acceptance was based strictly on test results. Since space was limited and there was no land for expansion, the more kids applied, the harder they made the entrance exams. In other words, we knew that just being there made us smart(asses) :-) Those poor nuns just didn't know in how many ways that would, and often did, reveal itself, especially after the tyranny of the Third Reich. We would almost have open revolts by using the scientific facts we had been taught one day by one person to contradict the religious "tenets" being taught 2 days later by somebody else. Those catechism classes were not very pretty, and when all else failed, here came the magic word: Faith. Some of us had it, some of us didn't and a few of those nuns earned their way into heaven by simply not strangling some of us in the middle of the night. And of course, I love jokes. I may have posted this one before, but it's one of my all time favorites: One day, at a religious convention, a Rabbi and a Priest got into a conversation about promotions and job security in their respective fields. Rabbi: So, tell me, where can you go from here? Priest: Well, if I do well, I can become Bishop. Rabbi: That’s nice. Then what? Priest: If I work hard, I can make it to Archbishop. Rabbi: Sounds good, but then what? Priest, slightly irritated: After years of hard work, I can become Cardinal. Rabbi: Sounds impressive. And from there? Priest, now very agitated: Well, I can go to Rome, work hard, make lots of friends, and if I play my politics just right, I can maybe get elected to be pope. Rabbi: And then what? Priest, now totally beside himself: And what, exactly, do you think I should be after that? God? Rabbi, grinning from ear to ear and chuckling: Well, you’ve been trying to convince the world for 2000 years that one of our boys made it.
34. Eri descendant eligible for Aliyah
Nwaeri Anaebo ,   Anambra, Nigeria   (08.23.09)
Am a descendant of Aguleri from Biafra and i want to embark on Aliyah. I want to know if Aliyah is only for the white jews?
35. Judgement only seperates
Ezra ,   California   (08.23.09)
When someone judges another, it causes separation. This is the number one tool Satan, or (your ego), uses to separate everyone from each other. In this case, it is righteous for the Jews to judge the Christians, to ensure the covenant on Mt. Sinai is not defiled. No defiled in this generation or all that follow.
36. Why are Jewish leaders getting bent out of shape
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (08.24.09)
over what Roman Catholic leaders believe? Let's keep it real. We believe in Torah, and they believe in their religion. We will see who's right on Judgment Day.
37. #30 Brod Isaiah predictions?! It's past tense and specific!
Josh   (08.23.09)
I have it all wrong? Think again cause you have it wrong and I can prove it very easily. 7:1 "It happened in the days of Ahaz" Do you know when that was? 7:11 Isaiah speaking to Ahaz "request a sign for youself" You understnd the word "yourself"? 7:14 Isaiah speaking to Ahaz becuse he did not chose the sign. "therefore, my Lord Himself will give you a sign" GET IT - it is a sign for Ahaz in his lifetime. Very specific that is is for Ahaz. It cannot be for Ahaz if he is dead for hundreds of years. FYI Jesus was never named Emanuel so he fails the sign a second time. Matthew wrote this lie right at the beggining of his book. He was a tax collector, go figure. You might also ask why the Holy Spirit did not chose an un bethrothed virgin but took Jospeh's wife to be without telling Jospeh upfront. You know they were going to kill here if they found out because that was the law? Isaiah 9:5 "For a child HAS BEEN born" Again this text is 20 generations before Jesus and past tense. It isn't even a prediction let alone a prophecy miracle. Isaiah 53 Again PAST TENSE. It cannot be a predcition in the time it was written if it is past tense. If it were written today it would be easier fro you to say it means Jesus but it is not a predcition so where is the miracle? Grow up and learn the difference between wishful thinking and truth.
38. #32 Charles preventing anti-missionizing as usual. Traitor.
Josh   (08.23.09)
39. #31 Really Charles let go of your baptist preacher jokes.
Josh   (08.23.09)
M Hartleys story probably exactly matches yours.
40. FFS, it's an INVITATION!
Radka ,   Athens, Greece   (08.23.09)
Don't like it? Just smile politely and say "No, thank you" and get on with your life, like we have during the past 10 centuries! Would you be insulted is someone invited you to their party?
41. Josh & Charles
Some Jew   (08.24.09)
Thanks for hijacking yet another Talkback.
42. Its really hard for some people......
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.24.09)
If, because of a realization of your sin (guilt), you were taught that the gods or G-d, needed to be appeased or fed a sacrifice or similar, so you could be forgiven...then you might assume everyone in the world needs to FEED the gods or G-d. And if some believed that G-d already has forgiven sins (Mandeaan and some Qumran as an example) and there was no need of this concept of sacrifice (comes from the nations), then why would people FIGHT IT????? Unless they were still held captive to the system of the nations? Some Christians need to understand that the whole world is not caught up in god feeding, and needs to appease their concept of the creator to be forgiven their sins. G-d doesn't need you sacrifice...YOU DO because you REJECTED HIS FORGIVENESS.
43. Brod...Josh is correct...Christians are often taught
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.24.09)
that prophecy is first fulfilled in Jesus, not correct (they "surplanted it"). Same with the "suffering servant". Even Christian scholarship admits the preceding chapters are about ISRAEL. If you want to make Jesus a type of Israel (abstraction of nation Israel), taking the GUILT of the nations off of the righteous nation Israel (receivng the guilt transfer of the nations / punishment while in captivity), then perhaps that was the intent of some of the early Christians.
44. if jews want catholicism to change, why not judaism too?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (08.24.09)
catholicism/christianity calls jews to receive their jewish messiah. that is fundamental to the faith and a non-negotiable. asking catholics/christians to compromise on that issue would be like asking jews to soften their opposition toward jesus. unless judaism is willing to take the lead and make some equally deep changes first., it ain't gonna happen.
45. Rabbis do believe that Christianity is true.
JMK ,   NYC   (08.24.09)
Rabbis believe that Jesus existed. Rabbis accept the orthodox Christian storyline. They do so in faith and historically under duress. Ask the Dean of Jewish Studies at YU Rabbi DR Berger. He says Jesus existed. Unfortunately he does so based upon rumor and fear and the idiocy of irrational teasing out a life from fiction and myth.
46. Josh #37
Brod ,   USA   (08.24.09)
Isaiah was prophetic. His prophecies pointed to the future and were fulfilled when Messiah came right on time as Daniel had also prophesied (Daniel 9:24-27). Another powerful Must Read book identifying the Papacy as the Antichrist is "End Time Delustions" [2004] by Steve Wohlberg.
47. Rivkah #23 The Identity of the Antichrist
Brod ,   USA   (08.24.09)
Using the most Biblical or Historicist Method of Prophetic Interpretations from the Books of Daniel and Revelation, the Holy Bible clearly identifies the Papacy as the Antichrist. In the Book of 2 Thessalonians, Paul was also very specific about this. A sampling of what Protestant or Judeo-Christian leaders say about this is as follows: Martin Luther (1483-1546) (Lutheran) "...We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." John Calvin (1509-1564) (Presbyterian) "...I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thessalonians 2) are not capable of any other interpretations than that which applies them to the Papacy." John Knox (1505-1572) (Scott Presbyterian) ...the Papacy was "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks." Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556) (Anglican) "Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many in other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." Roger Williams (1603-1683) (Considered The First Baptist Pastor in America) Roger Willams spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals." Others, like Cotton Mather (Congregational), John Wesley (Methodist), David Benedict (Baptist), and Wycliffe, Tyndale, Bunyan, the translators of the King James Bible, Sir Isaac Newton, Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards, Spurgeon, J.A. Wylie, Grattan Guinness, identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. Must Read books are: "End Time Delusions" by Steve Wohlberg, "The Papacy" by J.A. Wylie, "Romanism and the Reformation" by H. Grattan Guinness, "Unfolding The Revelation" Revised by Roy Allan Anderson, "The Grand Design Exposed" by John Daniel.
48. 28 M. Hartley: There have been a lot of massacres and slaugh
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ters of the conversion resistant masses since the Inquisition by the Roman Catholic church which has a Black Pope who is a Jesuit General for conducting wars against heretics and heretical nations. The St. Bartholomew's Day slaughter of Protestants in Ireland is an example. The slaughter of French Hugenot Protestants is another. More recently, the Papacy paid for the rebuilding of Germany after World War I and helped finance Adolf Hitler's rise to power. In return, Hitler agreed to attack Russia to open that area to the Roman Catholic church. Josef Stalin, a former Jesuit Priest candidate who dropped out of the school, softened up the masses with mass executions of those most likely to resist an eventual Roman Catholic Russia to the tune of 30 to 68 million people, it is estimated. The Papacy signed a concordat with the communists telling them the people would work harder if they had religion in their lives. Then there was the slaughter of six million Jews and 12 million Protestants in Nazi Europe with Rat Lines to help Nazi's escape after the war to South America, all financed in part by the Papacy. So where is the Roman Catholic church in its war on infidels at this point? I think the Fourth Reich is rising and when the Lisbon Treaty is ratified and Germany takes the helm of Europe without a shot being fired and takes control of nuclear weapons and armaments of the WEU, the military arm of the EU, that America and Israel will be attacked. What will pay for that? Obama borrowed a trillion dollars from the Red Chinese and nearly half of that is missing according to Fed Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's testimony to Congress. He does not know where it went, but it went to banks in Europe. What is going to be done with half a trillion dollars? That will pay for nuclear weapons and armaments to attack America and Israel and subdue them for the Papacy. Already, the US Senate and US Congress and US Supreme Court are mostly Roman Catholic which enables the country to be flooded with mostly Roman Catholic illegals to dilute the Protestant aspect of the nation. But you think the Roman Catholics are just hard working, religious, well educated bumpkins who never kill a soul. Well, read the book "The Great Controversy" and see the copy in it of the agreement Jesuit Priests must sign to be ordained. They agree to kill enemies of the church if asked to do so.
49. You know what this looks like. A nazarim posted under aliase
Jerimiah Israel   (08.24.09)
50. 49-No, it's children addicted to slander--like you
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51. 38 , i anti missionizing ? why do i attack you ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.24.09)
if not because you are a fake Jew ? a "good" christian unther a fake Jewish mask
52. I hate this.....
NYCHindu ,   NYC USA   (08.24.09)
The Persians and Greeks got into centuries of warfare depleting their respective nations of able men and material while achieving nothing. Then a bunch of desert barbarians came swinging their schimitars and in one sweep cut to pieces the tired and depleted Persians and Greeks and paving the way for Arab conquest of southern Mediterranean basin. Today, with Europe in the death bed due to declining birth rate and increasingly precarious position of the Jewry, one would think the Christians and Jews will unite to pool their resources. But alas...no!! Somehow, somewhere the US Jews (most of them giddy Obama supporters) will find some obscure material to obstruct Christian-Jewish dialog. Oh but how enthusiastically these same folks promote the most dubious Jewish-Muslim dialog even though everyone with the IQ of an amoeba knows how genuinely honest the Muslim interlocutors are. What on earth is happening????
53. 52 Hate and slander are winning over logic and reason
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.24.09)
54. #46 I wont argue with persistant idiocy.
Josh   (08.24.09)
One man approached another and says "last week a black child was born and will travel to hawaii when he is of age". The year is 1906. ITS A PREDICTION OF THE OBAMA BIRTH - OMG. This is what you do with Isaiah's words? Rejoice! We found a 1700 diary that predicted Bush using past tense sentences. - Crazy?! You bet. By the way nothing in Daniel matches Jesus either no matter how you calculate a sestep. Jesus was no prince of peace; he clarified this if you were in the mind to listen. Remind me how many sesteps did Jesus live and rule for a government? I though Rome was in rule.....hmmm? Oh that's in the future? Well when it happens it will them be confirmed predictions. Until then your empty handed. Right now its just wishful words. "brother shall deliver brother to death" is what he said. Not really a peaceful thing to do. You know "burn up the chaff". The "wrath to come". It is a fraud sayig he is the messiah - more like a punisher of the fallen. The punisher horse. Born in a barn and named Ysus? Maybe? Your so afraid of this antichrist you couldn't spot him if you were worshipping him. Jesus came to bring war to the fallen before the curse of the destruction of the temple because G-d was angry with us and had already given our enemies power over us (Rome)? No rewards come at that time... just bad, all bad. Return to the truth no matter how painful it is. Chose death and a dead man on a executioners cross? Hmmm? Not exactly a symbol of life.
55. #50 you just unknowingly confirmed it
Blake ,   LA   (08.24.09)
What is that kid's name we use to use for all the internet stuff? Real popular and good at posting stuffe everywhere.
56. Catholics and other Christians...if you were a minority of
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.24.09)
a religion, and a majority group said to you; "Accept a goat as your saviour"//////// Wouldn't that bother you if you knew that sacrificing "goats" doesn't really make G-d forgive you (He doesn't need to be fed to forgive)? There are many abstractions in the Bible, by which a person can gain assurance.
57. #52..what does the article say?
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.24.09)
Quote; The tensions are rooted in a complex theological debate about salvation for those outside the Catholic Church: end quote Is a goat or lamb really a saviour? Then why assume G-d needs a man / blood sacrifice? There is no such thing as magic animals or man blood that the Creator needs to be fed.
58. 47 Brod: All the scholars you mentioned were well
Rivkah   (08.24.09)
informed and made good guesses based on the information they had in their lifetimes which was before the restoration of Israel and nuclear weapons and a lot of other things that brought light on prophecies. The book of Daniel was sealed until the last days, so all these most learned men could not figure out what was meant although they gave it the good college try. If the prophecies in Daniel and the meanings of them are sealed until the last days, then how could these people who all belonged to Harlot Daughter Sunday churches be correct? They considered themselves to be different from the Mother Harlot (false religion) church of Roman Catholicism, but did not even go back to the sabbath of the Lord. REMEMBER the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. That is NOT Sunday. If they could not figure out when the Sabbath was, how could they be accurate on prophecies sealed until the last generation before the Messiah comes?
59. To #48
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (08.24.09)
Damn'! Stalin had a deal with the pope? All we ever heard in the 40's was that Stalin had a deal with the Jews. And of course, behind every problem in the world there are those Jooooos. I guess, when people covet and look for excuses to kill each other for whatever, anything will do. You suggest that I read "The Great Controversy." Do I read that before or after "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"??? Maybe I could fit your book between it and that "The Eternal Jew" diatribe. Yes, I'm being sarcastic! In my opinion, it all comes down to this: All "Isms," especially of the religious ilk, are intended to create an "Us versus Them" mentality, and should be stamped out. Alas, probably no such luck, ever.
60. M Hartley...there were those kown as Sicarii / dagger men
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.24.09)
They assassinated / murdered. They killed those whom they believed corroborated with the Romans...such as Jonathan the High Priest....not to be confused with the Zealots. All men are capable of anything.
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