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'We gave them life. So what if they're Arabs?'
Elad Rubinstein
Published: 30.08.09, 08:15
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1. let me guess Israely initiative mmm
ghostq   (08.30.09)
here is the shock.
2. The people who are called after God's name are not
Rivkah   (08.30.09)
in the same camp with people who are not. Why pretend there is? My Messianic Jewish mother trusted a Muslim Pakistani-British trained physician and was murdered so he would be sure to go to Muslim heaven which is not the eternal resting place of people in the camp of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Trusting someone who is not in God's camp can be necessary in life since so few people are in God's camp apart from Jews who are Jews in their hearts, but Rabbi Yeshua says religious unbelievers are children of the devil. Religious unbelievers are actually worse than atheists. Muslims are religious unbelievers of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They do not believe in a Father-Son religion, so do not trust them. Many religions do not believe in a Father-Son religion and they are dangerous to trust or to have in your home, too. Roman Catholics, for example, believe in a Father-Mother-Son-Vicar of God religion that is not the religion of Rabbi Yeshua but is the religion of another Jesus that Rabbi Yeshua warned about. Many will say, we have Arab and Catholic and other non-Jew in their hearts friends and we have not been harmed. If a cake has a little pit of cyanide or other deadly poison and you eat part of the cake that is not poisoned, does that make the cake less dangerous? A little bite of poison will kill and trusting any part of the cake is dangerous. So it is with religious unbelievers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
3. are you ok
unbeliever per #2 ,   Jerusalem ,palestine   (08.30.09)
Your whole post doesn't make sense. The Torah Came way way way after Abraham,Isaac, Ismail and Jacob .. Those prophets are not jews .. Judaism started with Moses,and ENDED with Jesus ..PBU all of them . Those are just Basics .. What I see in those pictures is a group of human being who are unable to hold a descent debate with any of our second graders . For shame .
4. lol actually she is right you r wrong,
ghostq   (08.30.09)
jews r bloodline of Abram while muslims not. more of shem bloodline. jackob other name was Israel. and he was relative of Abram. ti hy.
5. I love talk-backs, even if they're baseless and incoherent.
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.30.09)
6. #4 not yet be determine that Abraham even existed.
ygalg ,   israel   (08.30.09)
7. #2 Rivkah - up your meds, girl.
AJ ,   Washington, DC   (08.30.09)
8. Sweden
Sören ,   Uppsala, Sweden   (08.30.09)
This is somewhat fun to read. In sweden religion or ethnical background is not registred by the authorities. So organ donations goes to the one who needs them most. As I can see from this article, religion is an issue in Israel. Maybe israel should take care of its own problems before they attack sweden.
9. To Ygalg #6. IF There Would Have Been No Abraham.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (08.31.09)
You say :”not yet determined if there ever was an Abraham. “ IF there would have been no Abraham -- Moses the Law Giver would not have written about him. Moses the Law Giver tells that there was Abraham. Ygalg, you doubt whether Abraham ever existed. Moses the Law Giver confirms his (i.e. Abrahams) existence. So, whose words should be accepted -- your words or the words of Moses the Law Giver ? IF one thinks that the words of Moses the Law Giver needs to be confirmed -- be certain that that someone is a BIG fool, fool number one.
10. #8 Pays to read the article, Soren
Cynthia ,   USA   (08.31.09)
The article illustrates how donor organs go to those who need them without conditions. Israel is taking care of their problems and they don't need lies and misinformation circulated by Aftonbladet. By the way, no one attacked Sweden.
11. to #6 does it matter the fact is the existens
ghostq   (08.31.09)
of his name or his image influence more than judaism, even today, many historical events happend cause of his image.
12. so how would you know if some minority
ghostq   (08.31.09)
exploit your system? you can't mmm your system is corrupt you cant control it, your system full of holes.
13. #8, Please Sören, spare Sweden even more
Nick ,   Sweden   (08.31.09)
embarrassment by not showing that English comprehension, one of the core subjects in swedish primary schools, is in such a bad shape. The article actually says that despite the fact the ethnic background is not subject to politically correct whitewash in Israel, it makes no difference who gets the donated organ. Genetic compatibility is the only consideration. Lär dig stava bokstavsbarnet.
14. #8 Maybe you should focus on donating to fellow Swedes
Zvi   (08.31.09)
The article talks about a meeting of the Israeli and Palestinian families of organ donors - people who are heroes of the struggle for life. The article says nothing about religion being used to determine who gets organs. In fact, it says that the donated organs of Israeli Jews sometimes go to Palestinian patients, and vice versa. This is a well-known and long-standing fact. Of course, the genetic profile of the recipient needs to be extremely similar to that of the donor, or the transplant is likely to be rejected. So Jewish-Arab transplants are rarer than Jewish-Jewish or Arab-Arab transplants. But they do happen. The determining factors for organ matching are NEED and GENETIC COMPATIBILITY. The same is true in Sweden. The families of Israeli donors usually meet the people who receive the organs, as this helps the families to grieve and the recipients to express their gratitude. They know who got their loved ones' organs. They are glad that their tragedy, rather than being fruitless, at least brought life to someone else. Maybe you folks in Sweden should take care of your own problems before you attack Israel, yes? I don't recall a bunch of Israelis trumping up bogus charges to accuse Sweden of fictitious crimes against humanity. Also, are you an organ donor? If not, maybe you should spend your time arranging to become one, for the sake of your fellow Swedes, instead of attacking grieving, proud Israeli and Arab families whose loved ones' gifts saved the lives of others.
15. #10 Cynthia
Sören ,   Uppsala, Sweden   (08.31.09)
They may not need lies in Aftonbladet but all the articles in this newspaper is ok? It was a long time I read so many lies and desinformation about sweden in one place. But do we care? No, because we know who we are and what we think about stuff. We dont hide the fact that sweden is pro palestina. We dont hide the fact that we dont like what Israel is doing. We are a proud people BUT we accept that other countries dont agree. If someone wants the burn the swedish flag, let them do it. If israeli newspapers write crap about sweden, we dont send our FM to do stupied ignorant statemens like the ones made by Lieberman. This situation about a jewish giving here organs to an arab. In sweden we dont even know who gets the organs so a discussion like this would be impossible in sweden. Thats why I think Israel should solve their own problems before attacking sweden.
16. No. 15 Soren
NYC Girl   (09.01.09)
Perhaps you need to educate yourself about the Middle East in order to understand why people are outraged. In fact, let's confine the comments to the situation that exists today, even though there were certainly more than enough reasons throughout history why Jews are sensitive to blood libels. The problem is that Israel has enemies who, at any perceived provocation, can be whipped into a frenzy and induced by their leaders to go on violent rampages that can result in the loss of lives. Just think of the Mohammed cartoons if you have any doubt that this is the case. So when a Swedish newspaper prints the the type of fabricated story that Aftonbladet did, there are those in the Muslim and Arab world who'll see that as just one more excuse to wreak havoc against Israel, America or any other infidels who cause these fanatics to become apoplectic. And then will the editor at Aftonbladet take responsibility for his total lack of journalistic ethics? Somehow, I doubt it. And as far as Sweden being pro-Palestinian, perhaps you'll forgive me as we approach the anniversary of 9/11, if I don't share your sympathetic view of the "Palestinians" for many reasons...not the least of which was being subjected to that stomach-turning spectacle of them rejoicing at the deaths of 3,000 innocent Americans.
17. harvesting
Right-Leftist ,   Eurabia   (09.01.09)
The swedish articel may not be true but organ harvesting exists. All people are equal but some are more equal than others. Isnt it?
18. blood libels
solemnman ,   israel   (09.01.09)
#15 Soren Israel is accused of aparthied when the 20% Arab population is everywhere:in all the towns and cities :in the malls (working and shopping,in the supermarkets,coffee houses,theatres,hospitals(as patients,doctors and nurses)pharmacies(as customers and pharmacists)in the knesset(as members)and always,without fear,speaking Arabic(and not in whispers) israel is accused of genocide while it's Arab population has increased tenfold since 48. what is said here ,about Sweden,is historically true and never is, as are the swedish accusations and blood libels, lies.
19. to #15 palis much like your country have natzi
ghostq   (09.01.09)
past, guess who created the refugees camps, hint it was the British, and guess who the palis leader at the time of WW2 did (btw he was Arafat uncle) met with Hitler and not only that he founded the SS muslim bosnian devition. planned to kill the jews who lived in Israel, so in other way you judge Israel by event of 2 years and ignoring the past and the complex situation is amateur in my eyes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1987-004-09A,_Amin_al_Husseini_und_Adolf_Hitler.jpg
20. Sören, do talk to the mirror a lot?
JPS ,   Efrat   (09.01.09)
If Israel is supposed to solve it's problems before criticizing Sweden, then what is Sweden doing criticizing Israel? Why do you even bother yourself being "pro-Palestina" when the Palestinians support so many policies that are against the same policies that Swedes hold as sacred? Do you mean to tell us that you Swedes support an Islamic theocracy that kills its own people, persecutes gays, women and minorities? You Swedes certainly are mixed up if you are representative of them.
21. astute comment
solemnman ,   israel   (09.01.09)
#16 NYC girl very well said.
22. #17 organ harvesting exists - its called organ donation.
rebecca ,   modiin   (09.01.09)
23. #3:unbeliever palestine-God chose jews before He made world
JC ,   USA   (09.01.09)
The Bible has geneologies in both the Old & New Testaments that trace the ancestries from Yeshua (Jesus) all the way back to Adam. Whether a jew or gentile, you become a "new creature", believer, in Christ Jesus. Abraham was considered righteous because of his faith and God unilaterally made a covenant that includes not only his direct, physical descendants, but also those that believe. So, God chose the jews for His people even before creation. His Holy Bible testifies to the geneologies to prove Jesus Christ is the messiah. Even before the world labled His people "the jews", God foreknew them before time began. You can call them whatever you want, but they are His people who believe in His Son, Yeshua. YHVH bless.
24. #18 You're right. Arabs also belong to the same gym
Zvi   (09.02.09)
as the head of the IDF (as the media reported recently). Of course, the media never mentioned that this fact demolishes the libelous "apartheid" claim that is repeated so often by anti-Semites and their ignorant dupes.
25. zvi, actually, the Palestinains and Jews get organs
Jack ,   richmond, va us   (09.02.09)
frequently from one another. There is a great deal of similarity between the genomes. The majority of Palestinians are descendants of Jews who converted to Christianity and then to Islam. But those people also mixed with the Crusaders, adding some European genetics and other arabs, resulting in a surprisingly could approximation, genetically speaking, of the Ashkenazi and the Sephardic Jews. This makes the Palestinians and Jews excellent organ donors for each other. It is very common. Palestinians and Jews living outside of Israel are very hard to match with a donor.
26. #15 So much for Swedish neutrality
Cynthia ,   USA   (09.02.09)
Soren, you're upset because Aftonbladet's lies were publically exposed. Israeli leaders were absolutely correct in demanding a denouncement from the Swedish government. But your leaders hid behind a pretend neutrality. In Sweden, organ donation involves patient confidentiality just like in Israel or the US. The women interviewed for this article elected to discuss their personal experience. And it is highly probable that when patients are screened for organ donation and to become organ recipients, religious orientation as well as ethnic background represent standard intake questions in Sweden as well as Israel.
27. #16 NYC Girl
Wildmandxb ,   M.E.   (09.02.09)
Your TB started very smartly and ended foolishly! i agree completely with what you said in your first paragraph about the fanatics in our arab world who go on violent rampages at the slightest provocation. however, why did you have to end your smart commentary with such a stupid comment?!! Do you wanna tell us that all palestinians were rejoicing on 9/11? IF and only IF i want to believe you, i'd say there were 20, 30, 100 maybe, that still doesn't mean anything! How about the israelis that were caught rejoicing in the streets of NYC itself? you live there for sure you know about that, if the palestinians rejoiced, they had a reason... what reason do the israelis have? i wonder!!!!
28. Because they will give you death in return, you moron.
Jack ,   San Diego, USA   (09.02.09)
29. #27 Wild Thing
Cynthia ,   USA   (09.03.09)
There were no Israelis rejoicing in the streets of NYC after 9/11.
30. #27 Cynthia
Wildmandxb ,   M.E.   (09.03.09)
How do you know ? The whole world has proof of that, i didn't make it up! anyway it seems, from the way you name called me and the very short response in your TB, that you have no idea about what you are talking about , all what you are interested in is to show that israelis are perfect by all means!
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