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Embassy source: Doubtful US signed off on Israeli decision
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Published: 04.09.09, 13:36
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1. BUILD ISRAEL! ISRAEL BUILD!
stude ham   (09.04.09)
there can be no turning back to the goyim's forced ghettoisms of the horror laden past. the goyim still think that they can ghettoize us with these euphemistically labelled 'freezes' on the building of additional living spaces for the jewish people. israel must keep up the building not only of its nation, but also its living spaces.
2. no perpetual talk for a 6 month freeze, even incomplete
observer   (09.04.09)
The US excludes Golan settlements because those, unlike the WB settlements, arouse no Israeli historic claims, but security ones. The US has already guaranteed Israel's security, but now they are going to mull it.
3. pray to G-d that Hezbullah wont attack
observer   (09.04.09)
otherwise Israel, without the US support, would face a real existential threat. What about Israel striking Iran?! Don't you see the freeze is directly linked to Iran; it has nothing to do with security or peace talk.
4. US Sign Off !!
Filipe ,   Leiria, Portugal   (09.04.09)
"Embassy source: Doubtful US singed off on Israeli decision" Who is this clown??? Since when is the US required to "sign -off" on decisions made by Israel ??? Is this something that's been drilled into his simple little mind by the Obamessia and his sidekick Hillbillary ??
5. Who will be hurt the most by a "building freeze"?
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (09.04.09)
The Palestinians of course and I suppose they will then blame Israel for taking away their livelihood! It appears that the only thing the Palestinians know how to do well, except for blaming Israel for all their woes and destroying everything they touch, is to build for the Jews whom they hate!
6. US Support against Hezbollah?
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (09.04.09)
The only "support" from the USA was that it shut up while we taught Hezbollah a lesson they will never forget! The USA forced us into UN Sec Council Resolution 1701 which is a joke! Yes, Israel withdrew and nothing else laid down in that useless piece of paper has been done! Hezbollah has rearmed with 40,000 missiles, some of which can and will reach Tel Aviv. They are on our border and not north of the Litani River and today they are in the Lebanese Government headed by the man murdered by Syria the main sponsor of Hezbollah! Thank you USA. Thank you the UK. Thank you France, China and Russia. So we can count on American support if we are good little Jews who should just shut up? No ways fellah. We cannot rely on anyone else for our survival. Proof: 6,000,000 dead Jews in Europe!
7. ARABS USURPERS OF PHILLISTINES
Michael in Kenya ,   Kenya   (09.04.09)
Woe unto them that call themselves philistines(palestinians) and they are not! Cause the Sovereign LORD of ISRAEL said the philistines have taken cruel revenge on their age-long enemies and destroyed them in their hate.And so Iam announcing that I will attack them and wipe them out.May the prophesy fall on the usurpers too.ISRAEL BUILD YOUR COUNTRY.
8. Israel Develops
Tom ,   US   (09.04.09)
I hope Bibi does announce of new development OKs very soon, and finishes those begun. Israel is sovereign and does not need an others permission to build in its land nor its capital. Obama needs to focus on his flagging popularity and flailing Health Care Plan and focus on Iran & North Korea and US economy
9. Israel is not a state of the USA
Juan ,   pain   (09.04.09)
QUOTE: ... it became apparent that the plans were not necessarily approved by the United States. That's fine, when did Washington last ask Israel to approve building works in Los Angeles?
10. who the clown is?
Daran ,   UK   (09.04.09)
Its the reportage of either AP or ynet which uses the "signed off" analogy, look to quotation marks. However the idea that the US should not have or express a policy. Toward the occupation and the status of more illegal, as the US (and every other western democracy) would see them, settlements.. Shows, to me at least. who the clown is.
11. Be Courageous Bibi
tony ,   abuja, nigeria   (09.04.09)
Be courageous Bibi. Stand your ground against obama. He's already falling. Do not give in to his empty threat. The God of your Fathers that crushed Pharoah, Goliath, the amorites, the amonites, the assyrians, the egyptians, parted the Red Sea, sent manna from heaven for the Israelite, etc., is not dead. He's still alive and will fight for Israel. Continue to build, build, build, build, build, build, build, build. It's your fathers land. The God that fought the 6-day war for Israel will fight obama and iran for Israel. obama is not divine. He is just an ordinary human being whose breath is in the hands of God. He is already failing and falling and will fall flat. The holocust was to destroy the whole of Israel from the surface of the earth. Yet Israel's population as at today is in millions. Israel does not know that no nation on earth, no matter how powerful, not even America or Russia, not to talk of tiny small iran can destroy the nation of Israel? The scriptures cannot be broken.
12. Our land, our rules.As far as obuslim is concerned.Well,he's
just another muslim ,   we don't care about.   (09.04.09)
13. I've said it before.Bibi knows how to handle this inexperien
ced punk in the ,   White House.   (09.04.09)
14. America is our friend and ally, but Obama is crossing the
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (09.04.09)
Red Line. In fact, he has already crossed the Red Line. USA cannot interfer with our domestic affairs and I am not interested in what the Americans accept or do not accept. If they want to talk to us, it has to be only on our terms. Everytime an American state official wants to talk the Arab-Israeli conflict and push for further Israeli concessions and forbid Israeli existence, independence, sovereignty, borders, air space, waters and territorial and demographic and legal integrity, Israel shoould slam the door in the American official's face. Enough is enough. If USA is willing to debate how to destroy Iran, the ayatollahs, Jihadism, Russia, Pakistan, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Hizbollah, Libya and to deepen and strengthen mutual military, economic and scientific/technological exchange - go ahead - I am all for it. If CIA and Mossad want to deepen their cooperation - go ahead - I am all for it. If USA wants to debate with Israel or to seek our council in how to organize the world and make it a better place - go ahead - I am all for it. But NEVER EVER talk to us about the Arab-Israeli conflict, Judea, Samaria, Gaza or our right to live anywhere and everywhere in our land and our right to destroy our enemies.
15. The Arabs are unwilling to make any concession.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (09.04.09)
When the enemy is an Arab entity unwilling to make any concession whatsoever, and when the world expects Israel always to give and the Arabs always to take, then to continue along that same path to nowhere, becomes an Israeli self-delusion, leading to worse: Self destruction. It is high time for Israel to be making demands upon the Arabs, starting with territorial concessions from the vast Arab world. To put things right : http://xrl.us/bjcgn
16. Few nations can match the fundamental legitimacy that ...
Ron B. ,   Lod   (09.04.09)
Few nations can match the fundamental legitimacy that Israel has. Beyond the fact that Jews were returning to their ancient homeland, the League of Nations authorized the land west of the Jordan as a Jewish homeland (and, by the way, included the Golan Heights, once known as Northern Galilee) under the Palestine Mandate of July 24, 1922. So it has no lesser legitimacy than Syria or Lebanon (under French Mandate) or Iraq (under British Mandate). Much of the land in Palestine which is claimed to be "stolen" was in fact purchased. Few nations can match the fundamental legitimacy that Israel has as explained : http://xrl.us/berwte
17.  legitimacy in the occupied area's
Daran ,   UK   (09.04.09)
Yes Ron and Alex, occupied and illegally settled, thats the legal status of the Territories, not just in every western democracy but in UNSC, ICJ and ICRC. I could explain to Ron how his (possibly H Greif inspired) refferance to League of Nations resolutions were invalidated by Israel's unilateral declaration, but I wo'nt bother. I do'nt think he's interested in the facts if their not convient to his worldview.
18. To nr 17
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (09.05.09)
Judea and Samaria are the core regions of biblical Israel. Second, you and your ilk apply apartheid policies - does International Law explicitly say that Arabs can live everywhere legitimately and Jews cannot live anywhere due to their ethnicity? If International Law would support that, it would be racism. What do you call British conquest of Israel between 1917-1948, the Arab world, India, Africa, Iran, North America and Australia - liberation? No "Palestine" or "Palestinians" are ever mentioned in the Hebrew Tanakh, Christian Bible, Moslem Koran, ancient Jewish/Israelite/Hebrew, Canaanite, Phoenician, Philisteene, Edomite, Amorite, Hittite, Egyptian, Kushite, Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Akkadian, Armenian, Persian, Greek, Roman, East Roman/Christian Byzantine, Arab, Turkish/Ottoman, Mongol, Seleucid or Christian European Crusader's sources nor in modern European colonial powers' sources nor In Mark Twain's sources. "Palestine" is the Roman/Latin name for Israel and the name of "Palestine" has been intimately connected with the Jews for 2000 years - Christians and Moslems recognized for 2000 years that "Palestine"/Israel is Jewish property. It is rather cynical of you to assume that one can conquer, massacre, enslave and perform genocide on half the globe as European and Arab empires, but suddenly are expected to be "good" after date x or y when "international law" is in effect. The problem with International Law and its modernity is that it is based on ancient Roman law and that the legitimacy of International Law has no higher authority than humans and that sovereign nations need to ratify it in order for it to be in effect. For example UK, USA, Russia, EU and the Arabs violate international law daily when they don't recognize Jerusalem as our capital despite in being within international borders and they don't recognize our right to exist, to defend ourselves and to maintain demographic, legal and territorial integrity and to control our borders, air space and waters. If there was an ancient "Palestine", tell me the name of its kings, dynasties, their religion, culture, language, borders, territory, capital, alphabet, neighbors, currency and so on. If there is an ancient "Palestine" then surely there must be sources for it. If "their" ancient homeland disappeared - why did it disappear and why do they call it "their beloved homeland" - what exactly did they love so much? Before 1967, there was no "Palestinian" state. Egypt has given up its claims to Gaza and Jordan has given up its claims to Judea and Samaria and Israel has signed formal peace treaties with both of them. So how can there be any "occupation"?
19. To nr 17
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (09.05.09)
United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Marocko and Sahara Occidental were all artificially created by European colonial powers - including UK in the early and middle 20th cent. AD. Not one of them can boast with 4000 years of history such as Israel. Why do you not question their legitimacy? Germany came into existence first in the year of 1871 AD- not 1312 BCE as Israel. Belgium came into being in the 1800s. The French began to think of themselves as such not until after the French Revolution of 1789. Italy came into being in 1861. And all of these nations are artificial and have colonized much of the world. But for some reason people of your ilk think that Jews living in freedom with roof over their heads and having universities and cities and jobs is a greater "threat" to the human race than Russia, Iran, North Korea and the Arab world. Jews living on a piece of land is suddenly blown out of proportion and being referred to as a 'violation of international law" yet Arabs can live freely whereever they wish inside Israel and inside Gaza, Judea and Samaria, in 22 Arab states, in Europe, USA, Canada and Australia, but Jews are banned form Judea and Samaria - entirely based on their ethnicity. As you have no humanity and morality, you are not fit to deliver moral lectures - especially not if you are from the UK that has a long bloody and violent history. But go ahead, we can talk until the cows come home - you will always find and excuse to give legitiamcy to or forget or trivialize your British crimes against humanity and blow Israeli cities out of proportion. If Jews were banned from certain areas in the UK, France, Germany and the US, there would be a public outcry. Such hypocrisy...
20. Alex, history and today
Daran ,   UK   (09.05.09)
Alex , I thank you for responding to my post. However I find almost all of the points you raise entirely spurrious. This part sentence "what you call British conquest of Israel between 1917-1948" speaks volumes about the voracity of your claims, both about my views and the history of your region. Indeed worse still is your ridiculous reading of the tananch/torah. to exclude the philistines from whom the name of Palestine was derived via the greeks by the romans, however we can agree to disagree about the past. What the status is today, is problem at hand. I and the vast majority of Brits support Israel so I utterly reject your assertion that I consider jews living in freedom as a threat. Does it help you to disregard the facts to question my morality and humanity? Of course it does, thats why you have sort to do it. You see my moral and human qualtiies are not dependant on which deity people worship or ethic group others belong.
21. To nr 20
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (09.06.09)
If Ynet has published my first response to your comment nr 20, this will be the second response. You said in nr 20 that I had to deal with facts and that I disregard facts. Well, dealing with facts is exactly what I have been doing so far. But I haven't seen your "facts". Facts, reminding you, are ultimately about reality. It is not who says what but what is actually said that is important. The earth is round - and that is a fact no matter if you or I claim it. But claiming that earth is flat is a lie - no matter if you or I claim it. You are right about one thing: most western government's official position is that Israeli cities in Judea and Samaria are "settlements" - but that statement is not based on international law - it is a political standpoint. The West urges us to respect international law, yet we do exactly that and we see that the west violates and disregards international law on a daily basis. But claiming something doesn't make something true. Israel can claim that the capital of UK is Manchester but we know it is London. The British can claim that they are the light of the world and all civilization and yet we know that Christian English anti-Semitism has existed for 1000 years and that UK conquered the land of Israel from the Ottomans between 1917-1948 and actively worked against Jewish aspirations to reassert Jewish independence and sovereignty in our land and we also know that the Brits have conquered much of the world.
22. To nr 20
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (09.06.09)
Yes morality is about behavior and not about a tribe or deity. I have never claimed otherwise. But I want you to respect universal morality and ethics and our rights to our land. That would be a very good and moral thing to do. Most of us don't believe in any deity and I don't know why you are bringing the question of faith into the issue. I never said anything about faith. Philisteenes - meaning "invaders" existed about 1000BCE and originate from the Greek archipelago - Crete to be more exact. They are mentioned on numerous occasions in the Hebrew Tanakh but Philisteenes are not Arabs. Philisteenes died out 800-700 BCE. Arabs came into existence in the 600s AD and conquered the land of Israel in 636 AD and ethnically cleansed the land of Jews and now claim that Arabs have lived in our land "since time immemorial". "Palestinians" - meaning Arabs that came to Israel 60-150 years ago cannot be Greek Indo European Philisteenes that died out 800-700 BCE. Yes the British conquered the land of the Jews - Israel, called "Palestine" an was an Ottoman province between 1917-1948. You the British promised us all of the Mandate of Palestine yet you severed 78% and gave it tlo the Arabs - Transjordan/Jordan. The other 22% include Judea and Samaria- something British, Arab and European perverted minds are still fighting over. But all of you can conquer the world on numerous occasions and yet Jewish presence according to you should be banned fromm Judea and Samaria. But you are "not hostile" to us. Until you prve otherwise, you are an enemy of the Jews and Israel. Anti-Semitism is hatred and racism directed against Jews that can be summarized in 4D and 1F: 1) Discrimination 2) Demonization 3) Double standards 4) Delegitimization and 5) False Accusations. If you are unwilling to treat us Jews on an exact equal basis in the world - then you are not our friend. You are an anti-Semite.
23. To nr 20
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (09.06.09)
From the 1500s until 1917, Israel or "Palestine" was Ottoman - conquered - not liberated by the Ottomans. Between 1917-1948, Israel/"Palestine" was conquered - not liberated by the British. You denying this proves my point: you the British will always find ways to delegitimize our rights and freedom and trivialize, ignore or deny your conquest of our land and your conquest of Africa, India, the Arab world, North America and Australia. A man has to be very primitive not knowing about British expansionism during the last 300-400 centuries. Explain soemthing to me Daran: why is it that the British are allowed to defend the Falklands outside Argentina on the other side of the planet but we Jews are denied by the world to live on our 4000 year old heritage of Israel. We are not allowed to live 15-20 km away from Tel Aviv but the British have the right to conquer the world for 300-400 years and maintain colonies in Gibraltar and the Falklands, and you speak to me about morality? You have no morality Daran.
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