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Yom Kippur War of 2009
Abraham Cooper, Harold Brackman
Published: 23.09.09, 00:15
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1. Israel has too many of these "wounds of the psyche"
David ,   Boston   (09.23.09)
Israel has too many of these "wounds of the psyche." Is everyone in Israel afflicted with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Survivor Guilt, and Fear and Trembling before the Combined Arab Armies? And how do you keep it straight from garden-variety paranoid schizophrenia?
2. cooper and brackman
alexi   (09.23.09)
Whatever threats israel faces courtesy of arab and iranian politics and cowardice and ignorance of olmert backed up by ramon and livni, israel is in good shape going forward.Bibi is a patriot, though nervous and sometimes less than perceptive, he understands the value of a hill, missiles and service to idf. Olmert knew nothing of hills or missiles and his sons avoid reserve duty or service altogether and fled the country. Bibi is backed up by arad, yaalon, begin, merridor who have depth, guts and military skill. Yaalon exceeds barak in skill and judgement;barak is good at defense in special tactics but is horrible at political office as PM and must never occupy that office again.Lieberman is fearless, can go toe to toe with iran, putin and whoever else wants to start up. He went to serbia,. was comfortable and didn't blink , likewise russia though putin is playing everyone for a fool and medvedev is totally powerless, a hack, who does what putin wants. Whereas livni was unsure of herself, timid and both she and olmert raced, raced to pay lip service to bush and rice, another ph.d., like brzezinksi who is absolutely useless. Mitchell is far superior to her even if israel is not wild about him. Waiting in the wings, such stalwarts as uzi landau, rivlin and katzeleh who put forward israeli claims which were muted under ignorant olmert. Israel has heritage and UN claims over west bank and even jordan and all of this and 700,000 israeli refugees can be discussed in negotiations. israel has to have national identity not the losing image of oslo which is pathetic. Rabin reluctantly was led into oslo by beilin and peres with good intention. Almost all of the so called peace supporters are not grounded in security reality . Peres did not serve, beilin has no great service,likewise ramon, olmert was a press officer with his big mouth and lack of resolve,like haber, livni did some service yes, but minded and apartment in paris. Turgeman, turbowicz have the infamy of almost giving away the golan to chief of terror assad backed up by islamic erdogan on yet a quiet border. In this respect Barak, ahskenzi, baidetz are dead wrong-there is no good side to giving up israeli golan-water, topography, winery, tourism, nothing. Israel should do with syria what turkey did, get used to it as israeli claim to it based on heritage and defensive 67war in response to 48-67 shelling of israelis. So much for carter bullcrap about settlements as his daughter dated arabs.Ben ami also did not do much in the idf. Yet bibi, barak, yaalon, orlev, landau, did big things in the military. Even lieberman did his service and did not come up with injuries as excuses like olmert. You wonder why olmert was so good at holding onto office and playing games and schemes and was chamberlain- like in offering concessions for nothing-who-because he was a frightened jew, afraid of one drop of blood during his days as mayor and can't take it. Israeli PM has to be able to withstand blood in the middle east. So the peace now groups can advocate all they want, yet it was a nationalist like begin who sat in soviet prison camp who made a deal with egypt. Israel is in good shape but no thanks to olmert and livni, two gutless politicians with their messenger ramon, an ignorant buffoon who has done nothing for the state of israel except forcibly kiss and idf officer.olmert will end up in jail in spite of winograd judges who try to do him favour and livni will be back at law as she sees that israel wants never anything to do with the olmert livni type government.
3. David #1 in otherwords
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (09.23.09)
we need forget all the millions of murders and attacks that were because we are Jews. We have been invaded by those combined Arab armies several time already. With hundreds of thousands of terrorist attacks paid for by those same Arabs. No we will not turn the other cheek or forget. Why don't you get a life? Why does such of moronic racist like you spend so much time on an Israeli website?
4. david
(09.23.09)
you have no clue how fortunate you truly are to live in a country that is huge and to never have a missile lobbed at your living room, or to fear sending your little ones to school amidst bombs or scared of missiles lobbed on their way to school or on their kindergarden roof. how lucky you must be, david, to have the mexicans, whose lands you really stole through wars of aggression, never lob missiles in your direction or create havoc via suicide bombings in your towns, farms, villages and cities. did you see what happened during 9/11??? could you live with this fear 24/7???? would you expect your army to finish these terrorists off once and for all so that you and your family can continue to enjoy your life? once you put yourself into israeli shoes on a daily basis, then you can talk. otherwise your critical arm chair general comments sound not only innane and idiotic, but completely insensitive and crude, to say the least. i am not a jew. i am an iranian that escaped iran some years ago. i am also a muslim by religion. however, i would not be too quick to pass judgement on the israelis that have to deal with killers and terrorists like many ahmadinejads across their border. hameed aboughaze, iranian
5. About The World Council of Churches
Christy ,   Boston, US   (09.23.09)
This organization has been taken over mainly by hardline lefties. It's a gradual takeover and I'm not sure if it's 100% yet. I do know that for many people associated with this organization their god is the god of Leftist Ideology, not the same G-d worshiped by Believing/Religious Christians. Mention the World Council of Churches (WCC) to Bible believing church folks in the US and you'll get a chuckle and an eye roll. This is a group most Believing Christians want to disassociate with. I wish the WCC would change their name. Some Believing Christians *may* still be affiliated, but it's in an attempt to try and persuade them to 'leave the dark side' and try and talk them out of the non-Christian stances they take.
6. Hmm! Very interesting!!! GET SMART!!
Israeli 2   (09.23.09)
7. Israel Must Be Held Accountable
JohnZ52 ,   USA   (09.23.09)
Israel is like the boy who cried wolf. When Israel violates international law by continuing to build in occupied Palestinian territory that is acceptable. When P.M. Abbas requests that Israel adhere to the "road map", international law and President Obama's requests he is labeled as obstructionist demanding pre-conditions. Israel has a long history of demanding similar types of pre-conditions or just dismissing a leader as irrelevant. The Goldstone Report has found Israel guilty of war crimes. Milosevic and Saddam Hussein were not allowed to causually dismiss the accusations made against them. It is time for Israel to be held accountable for their war crimes and violations of international law.
8. Mentally Ill David, #1
Jason, Ph.D. ,   Charlotte, USA   (09.23.09)
David, If you do not see the anti-Israel forces mentioned in this article as obviously realistic threats, it is you who is mentally ill. How many other countries face such opposition to their very existence?
9. #1 You expressed it completely.
Chas. ,   Los Angeles   (09.23.09)
From the pro Israeli post you would conclude that Israel wallows in the delusion that the world (goyem) is plotting their demise. That would include the U.S., but particularly, Pres. Obama.
10. paranoia??
solemnman ,   israel   (09.23.09)
#9 chas Since its founding there have been 119 anti Israel U.N. resolutions. Sudan on Darfur -none Russia on chechnya -none U.S. on Vtetnam-none France on Algiers-none China on Tibet-none Syria on Hama-none England on Northern Ireland and Falklands -none etc. etc. etc. -
11. to #9 lol than y your president kiss up to
ghostq   (09.23.09)
Russia? oh is it Iran issue or just the fact he scared that chaves is up to no good, comunissm American style he will gladly bring you social benefits in a form of health program social under your nose not paranoia but pure fact can you deal with that? I don't think so.
12. David @ 1; Obsessing over glossary of psychiatric terms
leo ,   usa   (09.23.09)
is no way to go through life.
13. Re: #1: it takes one to know one
Greg ,   Boston   (09.23.09)
Looks like David tries to project his own mental insecurities on Israelis :)
14. Yom Kippur War of 2009
Benjamin ,   Greenville USA   (09.23.09)
Guys forgot to mean the musing of the philosemite Zbigniew Brzezinski.
15. almost... but not quite
tom ,   toronto, canada   (09.23.09)
this article had me going, until the very last sentence. it is not up to president obama, nor should it ever be, to ensure the israel "never faces another yom kippur war". israel's security must be guaranteed by israel, and must never be subordinated to america's "interests". president obama should strive to be a truly "honest broker", arranging an exchange of *peace for peace*, in which the palestinian terrorists renounce their violence, in exchange for peaceful gestures from israel. only israel, and the idf, put israeli lives ahead of "strategic considerations". after the yom kippur war came operation desert storm, in which direct hits on israeli cities were "acceptable" to the bush administration, in order to appease america's new-found "allies" in the arab world (syria and saudi arabia) . as the bible says: "israel, trust in god", and not in false promises.
16. Mr. Ima-Nut-Job...
Jimbo ,   USA   (09.23.09)
will hopefully be released from his presidency in Iran.
17. #7
Michael ,   New York   (09.23.09)
Dear John, What background do you have to quote international law? Are u an international lawyer? If so, show us your credentials. If not, shut your mouth. What you consider occupied Palestinian territory, is not and has never been Palestinian territory. If you can show everyone when this was an independent country called Palestine, I will eat crow. Until then, stick your foot in your mouth and EAT IT.
18. #15 your joking right?
ben Ish   (09.23.09)
most of what you say i agree with, but this: "president obama should strive to be a truly "honest broker"" I'm sorry, but every minute spent on this thought, is a minute wasted on fantasy. This Obama person, the paragon of opacity, the epitome of arrogance, and the single most tragic failure ever foisted on the public, will NEVER value honesty. Honesty is -fundamentally- incompatible with his character. His competence is in oration, argument, and selling his own image. Honesty is a direct corrosion on his highest ideals. Honesty is incompatible with his politics, policies, influencing the public, and accomplishing his goals in Washington DC. I suggest everyone disabuse themselves of any illusion that Obama will ever present anything honest or competent or anything that puts the public ahead of those who paid to put him in office. It will be a narrow escape if the US even survives his presidency.
19. What to do...
stewart silver ,   toronto   (09.24.09)
Here's a thought. Fight them the way the fight us. In other words START MAKING STUFF UP TO PISS THEM OFF. Make up stuff about the UN and the Arab countries and Muslims in general so they get a taste of their town medecine. Mosr peole don't "get it" until you hurt them back the same way so i say tear 'em a new one....and make it hurt!!!
20. '73 is a wake-up call, Israel!
Mark   (09.24.09)
Stop groveling and vainly searching for "peace." Start reacting to arab terror and intimidation with the strength and purpose of past Zionists--find your direction already-time is running out for Israel. The arabs aren't confused-they want it "dead." Only Jews get confused, they have great guilt since they aren't being abused and ruled over by some abusive power ie Russia or Germany.
21. #7
frank ,   Israel   (09.24.09)
Ok John, you seem to be the expert, exactly what land are you referring to. The land we held for over 5000 years? the land that has been and is still ours but for some reason the world wants to believe it is someone else's. Which land are you referring to, the land that was won through hard fought wars? Which land are you referring to Texas, New Mexico, California and each and every other state in the US that was "taken" from their legitamet owners? Exactly which land are you referring to? The land we can prove was and has been ours since time....Which land exactly are you referring to....and how do you know this is true, because some propaganda arm of the arabs say so? or possibly you want to believe it because it is just another way of trying to eliminate us from the world? What land are you referring to and why is this land so important to you where you are living in the US is not? Why are our problems so important to you? Did you write letters and were indignant over Dafur, Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, each and every death in Somalia and Sudan? Which land are you referring to #7 and why are you not taking up the flag for the Native American Indians that have been thrown out of their homes and not allowed back....Which land are you referring to, Ireland which was originally settled by the Norse? Which land #7 and why is it only this land is important to you?????
22. #19 ok
ben Ish   (09.24.09)
i suggest beginning with March 31. Similar to American 'halloween' Right after "land day" there should be a "liars day" or something along those lines. It would be a costume day for dressing up in masquerade, and masquerade parties, etc. Like American 'trick or treat' except children would knock on doors, dressed in costume and declare "you stole my house! you stole my house!" The owner then gives the children candy or treats to appease them by saying "Heres your Nakba!" The point is to demonstrate how absurd the Arab/Palestinian claims are and absolutely make a joke of "land day", nakba memorials etc.
23. 4
Rosie ,   Israel   (09.25.09)
Thank you for your post.
24. 21
Rosie ,   Israel   (09.25.09)
Frank, thank you.
25. About WCC and christians
Pearce ,   Golden Valley USA   (09.25.09)
Christy It is sad to say but we as a nation USA, we have lost the Blessing that GOD has given this nation. If we were a beliveing people we would not have a president who condones abortion , sodimites, imorality, love of self. We are no longer a christian nation.
26. Cowards of Yom Kippur 1973
drummerman11 ,   USA   (09.28.09)
Oh yeah, Israel should just set back and wait for the next "coward" missle to come zooming into Israel, and then Israel should be accused of aggression when she defends herself? No, I don't think so! The G-D of Israel will see Israel through these ememies too!
27. Abraham Cooper an American Israeli propapandist
Chas. ,   Los Angeles   (09.30.09)
This is a man that can twists the facts unbearably and shamelessly to suit to suit any opinion he carries. You could not squeeze the truth out this rabbi even if you were put through a wringer.
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