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Goldstone: As Jew, it's my duty to probe war crimes
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Published: 04.10.09, 15:10
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1. ONY IF THERE WERE MORE JEWS LIKE U, GOLDSTONE
J SILVER   (10.04.09)
2. nice that you admit that you were not neutral!
uli ,   tel aviv   (10.04.09)
3. there is a big difference between good jews like Goldstone
(10.04.09)
and the zionist occupying Palestinian land !!
4. who cares about war crimes???!!! when you need to survive
mira ,   israel   (10.04.09)
you kill them all if necessary. does iran care about war crimes?? does hizbullah care??? this jew is a coward.
5. Missing the point!
David ,   Jerusalem   (10.04.09)
You, and your commision have a legitimate right to investigate and yes criticize Israel. Your report is, however FAR FAR, from being fair and balanced. It may be true that Israel made mistakes and errors in the war, in what war are they made. but these actions were all provocted and many caused by the behavior of the other side. WAR is hell but when rockets are fired from civilian areas , when fighters hide behind woman and children, and when they deliberatly put there own civilians at risk they must take the responsibility for the consequences. Goldstone is not to be condemned because he is a bad Jew, he should be condemned because he is a BAD JURIST.
6. Goldstone you got it wrong
Oren ,   Or yehuda   (10.04.09)
We do not object to you investigating, we thought that as a Jew you would be honest. However as a judge and a Jew, you did not investigate; accepted flawed testimony which even Btzalem acknowledged; and even ignored the evidence that was presented to you. That is a crime in itself and as a human being, I wonder if we should not check all your other cases
7. #2
Resistor   (10.04.09)
Uli, Goldstone apportioned blame and guilt to both sides, but obviously Israel was guilty of comitting more crimes. Nevertheless I think he was and is neutral. I have read some of his report, but it will take time to read it all. I think that an International peacekeeping force should be sent into Gaza to assist with rebuilding, infrastructure, law and order, provision of healthcare and utilities, and for the distribution of supplies. All borders should be opened, with the peacekeeping force controlling the borders, and escorting delivery trucks. If this is successful, their role could be extended into the West Bank. Just my thoughts, anyhow.
8. Torquemada, Ahmedinejad and Hitler also had Jewish roots!
(10.04.09)
9. Two or three observations
Steve   (10.04.09)
1) Goldstone: "We did not check whether Hamas had the right to use military power to obtain independence for the Palestinian people, he added, but rather examined the methods its used and found them to be illegal." "Illegal." But not "crimes against humanity?" It seems to me, from this statement alone, Goldstone may indeed embrace the prevalent view that "Hamas had the right to use military power to obtain independence for the Palestinian people." In other words, in Goldstone's view, Hamas jihadists are 'freedom fighters'. 2) "Goldstone went on to criticize the Israeli policy on the practical level, saying that the Israeli government sought to make life so difficult for Gaza's residents that they would stop supporting Hamas. In practice, he said, my impression was that the outcome was the complete opposite." This is the nature of war. The Allies fire-bombed German and Japanese cities into rubble hoping it would demoralize the German and Japanese publics to pressure their leaders into surrender. Would Goldstone also investigate these war "crimes?" Goldstone: "Tens of thousands of hens were killed, he said, and this had nothing to do with the firing of rockets or mortar shells." Maybe he has a valid point here. I cannot say for certain. I don't like to see a needless slaughter of animals though it was mandated at times in our Bible; in the Torah.
10. Judas Iscariot.Remember him? Another Jew in name only who
lived in Israel.Geo ,   graphy means nothing   (10.04.09)
11. Look to the past
Arie ,   BaGolan   (10.04.09)
"Just because I'm a Jew doesn't mean I can't be of aid to the Fatherland." The mantra of the kapos of the Shoah preceding the kapos of today like sternhell, goldstone, emanuel, chomsky, and gideon levy
12. He is more disgusting
Chuck ,   US   (10.04.09)
the more he tries to defend HIMELF. He is the one who refuses to "get it " He is reminding me of Jimmy Carter
13. He sounds like Jimmy Carter
Chuck ,   US   (10.04.09)
defending HIMSELF. he is disgusting
14. The big difference is that You were not impartial.
Vicky ,   Ashkelon Israel   (10.04.09)
I'm tired of people like you professing your impartiality and how good a Jew you are. When you do the bidding of the UN and Arab nations and do not do a FULL and complete investigation you are just like them. You do not deserve to be in your position when you yourself say that you were: "FOLLOWING ORDERS". (Where have we heard that before?" We are not asking you to be completely the other way and bend over backwards to support us, but be utterly impartial regardless of the orders you are given. Nothing can justify the 20,0000 + rockets, bus bombs, hotel/disco bombs, suicide bombs, buses and bulldozers driving into Civilians all with an aim to maim and kill us. WE do not have children stand in front of us whilst we fire back at our enemy. But WE are ALWAYS in the wrong!!!. How can you as a JEW and a JUDGE justify yourself as impartial? The mind boggles. I hope you do not sleep well at nights.
15. When we gave up some of our land to the PAs
Vicky (continued) ,   Ashkelon Israel   (10.04.09)
Gush Katif and its farm areas where ever possible was left in tack. Green Houses complete with contents, animals, trees, etc. Fields ploughed and planted. Within DAYS the Palestinians destroyed the very things that could have given some of their families a good start in life complete with housing. During and after the War, Hamas openly stole the very food that was donated to the People and sold it to buy more weapons. Constantly dig tunnels to smuggle more in, and even today we STILL have Qassams and the such fired at us. How will YOU JUDGE that? What will the UN and the rest of them do about it? F-All because WE are only JEWS. If they had their way do you honestly think they would stop at us? You and your ilk and the so called Peace Now lefty idiots would be next.
16. I AM the JUDGE......!
ZORRO   (10.04.09)
Mr. Goldstone; WAR is a CRIME. What is there to investigate?.Since day one, the Strong, the Crafty, the powerful, has always won. That is until a Stronger, Craftier, more powerful, took over and so on. TODAY, Islam (submission) has the upper hand. The West is in remission --- Would the UN commission you to write a full report on the millions and millions of arabs slaughtered by arabs for the past, say 50 years? Please don't reply. As a judge you cannot perjure yourself. Unfortunately, no 'Roland ' wielding his faithful 'Durandal' is on hand in order to push back the barbaric horde at 'Ronceveaux ', or any other place. The Islamic (submission) sunami is overwhelming the shores of Europe and America -- the Kuffars ( infidels ) in total disarray, headed by the new Leader of the so-called 'Free World ' It is your duty to probe/investigate war crimes? How about trying your hand at the horrific crimes perpetrated against your own people, the Jews. by every creed, race, religion the surface of the earth since day 0001.
17. I have a lot of "love" for Israel
tiki ,   belgium   (10.04.09)
Like Ilan Pappe and other "Israel lovers". Don't insult other people's intelligence please.
18. Lack of Impartiality
Filipe ,   Leiria, Portugal   (10.04.09)
So, your excuse for a biased investigation is a lack of resources and time ??? Why didn't you take the time?? Why weren't you given adequet resources?? How worthless !!!! How typical of a UN organization. The most dysfunctional international organization on the face of the planet !!
19. Thanks to Goldstone Jews acquitted of War Crimes,but Zionism
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (10.04.09)
Condemned to War crimes, Goldstone set the distinguishing split between being A jew and Zionist As long as Jews support Zionist crimes they will unjustly get all jews involved crimes against Humanity We know there are jews against Zionism and cannot accuse all jews of zionist crimes.
20. Goldstone
Ger ,   Raanana, Israel`   (10.04.09)
The objection to his probe of Israeli actions during the Gaza operation is not that he should not have done because he is Jewish. The objection was that the whole mandate and probe was preordained to be critical of Israel. If Mary Robinson, of all people, recognized that, how is it that Goldstone didn't, and still doesn't?
21. Which Israeli claims against terrorists did Goldstone ...
EST ,   Miami, USA   (10.04.09)
investigate? Which claims that gave rise to the war did he verify? Did he interview the poor terrorized residents of Sderot? Their children? The counselors that deal with the children's PTSD? Oh, yeah! I forgot...he did not have time nor resources to conduct that part of the investigation... Sick! Jewish?...he claims to be...a love for Israel...he definitely has NOT! if he tries to appease the anti-Semitic UN howling hordes by skewing the investigation AND results of his so called impartial report. His daughter can claim all she wants her dad loves Israel but with a father like that I would be ashamed to claim him as my relative!
22. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
Jeffrey ,   Boston   (10.04.09)
That's what you forgot Judge. Your report sounds like Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth".
23. Is he kidding?
nadav ,   israel, tlv   (10.04.09)
Isn't it obvious? Goldstone, let me explain: 1) You were sent on a mission by a HR Commission with anti-semites making the decisions 2) The UN itself is inherently anti-Israel- ie israel ONLY UN member not ALLOWED to sit on the Un security council! 3) You investigated ONLY the Arab side of the conflict 4) You are comparing a democratic State that is using restraint and everything possible to spare civilian casualties- on the ENEMY side- with HAMAS!? i.e. how can you sit, as a Jew, on such a committee? Would you sit on a commission comparing Nazis with Allied forces?!
24. Not suprising this was with CNN.
Rebecca ,   Modiin   (10.04.09)
Goldstone, you are going from bad to worse,. Your comments are just plain stupid. To say Netanyahu "does not understand" is a total insult. Goldstone does not understand, that he's been used, and made, and making, a total fool of himself. It's going from Sad to embarrassing.
25. goldstone jew
alexi   (10.04.09)
Goldstone seems totally self assured perhaps to the point of arrogance.No one cares about his ethnicity in investigating possible war crimes. I could care less if he was a hindu, jew, moslem or christian. The issue is to be accurate and not make assumptions. Since he says israel has the right to self defence, how is israel to fight if hamas hides in factories, hospitals and homes? In the middle of night, facing amputations caused by ieds, putin's antitank rockets, mortars, kassems, and assorted booby traps, one cannot raise a flag and ask who are you -military or civilian? Goldstone never served in the military and it shows badly for him. Now he talks about proportionality. Hamas fires a rocket with rusty nails and ballbearings . So should israel fire equivalent rockets into gaza hamas targets? Okay do it. I have said for years, fire such missiles to equate the balance of terror. No, gutless olmert would not do it and defense with their moral bullcrap would not do it. Now, Goldstone says fire such rockets loaded with rusty nails and ball bearings into hamas police headquarters, military depots, tunnels, government offices, laboratories for a start. For a long time, I had told barak to get off his ass, and stockpile and fire rockets to equate the balance of terrror and he said no. Now do it.Goldstone says do it proportionally.It should have been done in lebanon to equalize terror. Finally, goldstone says some things that reflect terribly on his judgement.How does he know what israel can distinguish militarily or not. He does not know. And he talks about israel claims of hamas using civilians as cover which he could not fully investigate. Well how could you do a report without fully investigating this crucial claim. HaMAS does not fight in the open. They use bunkers, tunnels, booby trapped dolls, wear idf, police or religious jews' garb,use tractor bombs, suicide bombs. In world war ll, without smashing the civilian population, the nazis could not have been defeated; or it would have taken many more years and goldstone would himself now be gone. He should not be venturing into political areas which he seems prone to do. His report does have some value however, for the first time pressuring hamas with war crime tribunals which zohar and haniyeh loathe. Goldstone reminds me of winograd who said olmert was a military incompetent who was unable to fix the problems yet he did not call for him to be removed forcibly because his mandate did not call for him. And dror mused that if olmert engaged in peace talks,t hat should be considered in winograd's deliberations. Olmert should have been dragged off forcibly and tarred and feathered in the public square for the dead and maimed caused by his ignorant and hesitating arrogance. Goldstone collected his million dollars and so is satisfied.
26. Tayfun_Turkey #19
Steve   (10.04.09)
What is a Zionist crime? How do you define it? Iran's (Jewish) president believes the state of Israel is a crime. The mere fact that Jews migrated to, live and breathe in the Holy Land is a criminal act according to Ahmadinejad. (Come to find ou yesterday, Ahamadinejad has Jewish roots.) Do you agree with Iran's Jewish president?
27. Goldstone new he was the lipstick on the pig
gb ,   South Waziristan   (10.04.09)
You can't be "international" and not blast Israel. Goldstone knew all of this and this pompous jerk fired the whole broadside uncritically at Israel. Fake witnesses, false testimony, Hamas supplied data, all taken uncritically as true. It was the whole point of it. He is one more leftist ashamed of being a Jew and the Jewish state. If Israel had committed war crimes the likes of Hitler or even the recent Sri Lanka war on the Tamils, 20,000 Palestinians could easily have been killed. This obvious fact of the steps Israel took to prevent casualties is all any thinking person needs to know about war crimes and the Gaza war. Goldstone is a Neturi Karta of the left.
28. Mr. Goldstone, Jews, within and without Israel, investigate
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (10.04.09)
Israel and we, Israelis welcome their activities. Israel after all is the nation-state of the entire Jewish people thus all Jews are welcome to investigate. Also, Israel is probably the most introspective, soul searching and self-critical society on earth and the Gaza case is not an exception. Note the number of articles in Israel's press being critical. Note Israeli NGO's activities. Note government on-going investigation of the Gaza as well as other affairs affecting our lives here. You were not welcome not because of who you are. You were not welcome here and your "findings" were unacceptable because in advance the Council that sent you decided that Israel was guilty of war crimes before having the evidence that you were to produce for it and two out of four members of your team stated in advance Israel's guilt before stepping into their "investigating" position. Sure enough, this role of your committee was illustrated by the fact that you chose to take as facts "narratives", fictional stories told you by Arabs in Gaza but opted to totally ignore those cases brought in front of your team by Israelis who were directly and tragically affected by the Hamas actions. Why, Mr. Goldstone, did you chose to ignore the context in which this military activity took place - eight consecutive years of suicide bombing, drive-by shooting, explosive laden cars, rocket and mortar attacks all aim by Hamas to terrorize who whole civil society in Israel? Because this was not part of the task given to you by the UN "Human Rights Council"? And if so, why didn't you demand to investigate the total picture? Don't, Mr. Goldstone, attempt to find reason for our disappointment in you because you are Jewish. This is not the reason. The fact that you chose to sell you human soul to the devil - possibly for the sake of personal advancement - is the reason why the Jewish community worldwide is disgusted with your act.
29. Goldstone should let a house in Sderot for
Vardina   (10.04.09)
a year and only then should he finish his report. It is so easy to condemn us from long distance.... He belongs to those of our people whom I would not like to meet.
30. At least Faust sold his soul to Devil for knowledge
Alan ,   SA   (10.04.09)
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