Why participate in the BIG LIE of Indian converts to Judaism pretending to be descendants of Bnei Menashe - the sons of Menashe (Manasseh, the son of Joseph) - while bearing none of the biblical birthmarks that prove Israelite identity? The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic peoples are Israelite, sons of Manasseh, not some Gentiles looking for a better material world.

Which, I might add, is a fairly recent myth that has absolutely nothing to do with reality. It is based largely on a mix of 19th century racial theory, British patriotism of the Victorian era, and rubbish. Lots of rubbish. In the case of Bnei Menashe, genetic studies seem to affirm that a small core group of people of the tribes that practice Judaism were indeed descended from middle-eastern origin, and the the rest converted to their faith. Judaism did allow such large-scale conversions on rare occasions, and there's no issue with it even from Rabbinical views today, even if a full Orthodox conversion just in case is the norm. Being Jewish isn't a matter of a few loose genes - it's a matter of beliefs, shared identity, tradition.. and that's that.

Those the so-called Bnei Menashe in India have nothing to do with judaism. When the tribes of Menashe went into exile, the fled to the east side of the Holy Land..right..but how far can they go? India? & what's next? their inner character & genes changed too? They were somehow transformed from Middle-Eastern people to people with "indian" criteria? C'mon, it's not even a small lie...A big lie as this one & those moron gentiles want us to believe them that they're Israelite? ... I tell them one thing: Ask us for money, we may give you financial aid for charity if you want, but we can't be foolished by this stupidity & believe that you're Jews.

The paradigm of Esau, born of a Jewish mother (twin of Yaaqov-Yisraeil), patriarch of the Edomites, demonstrates that rejection of the family religion of Yaaqov-Yisraeil (later developing into the b'rit of Torah at Har Sinai) unavoidably results in (כרת / kareit; excision, expulsion, disinheritance) from the family--by the Authority of ha-Sheim and His Torah, regardless whether rabbis have the fortitude to stand up Torah principles when they're inconvenient. Conversely, the eirev (mixed peoples) comprising Yisraeil in the Yetziyah (exodus; Shemot 12.38), corroborated by the story of Rut, demonstrate that--no differently than Avraham, Yitzkhaq and Yaaqov or the people of Yisraeil at Har Sinai--the individual who accepts the terms and commits to keep the contract (b'rit) of Torah with ha-Sheim ARE thereafter part of Yisraeil... again, regardless whether rabbis have the fortitude to stand up Torah principles when they're inconvenient. If Semite genes determine who is a Jew then 1. all Arabs are Jews, 2. all Jews (having genetically non-Jewish ancestors in their lineage) are goyim AND 3. all Jews are racists. Torah welcomes all races willing to live according to Torah, the antithesis of racism; but vomits out (כרת / kareit) every individual refusing to live according to Torah--without racial bias. Anyone who injects a racial barrier into that formula is a Torah-defying racist. Torah is about living according to the principles of b'rit Torah, which defines a decent and responsible human being recognizing and relating to his or her Creator. "What does Elohim ask from you?" 1. "TO REVERE ha-Sheim your Elohim, TO WALK IN ALL OF HIS WAYS and TO LOVE Him AND TO SERVE ha-Sheim your Elohim WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART AND ALL OF YOUR נפש" (nephesh; psyche)-- Devarim 10.12-13. 2. "To do משפט (mishpat=Oral Law=Halakhah), to love חסד (khesed; lovingkindness) and הצנע to be moderate/modest"--Mikhah 6.8. Rabbis can refuse to RECOGNIZE conversions but they do not hold the keys to the Gates of Malkhut ha-Sheim. Logic and Torah, reflecting the Creator, combine as the overriding Authority defining who is accepted and who is rejected, based on doing one's utmost to live according to the b'rit Torah--independent of denominational and sectarian divisions. The ONLY reason that being "born Jewish" has ANY significance whatever--and it does have enormous significance--is because the child who is "born Jewish" INHERITS a Torah education from their b'rit (Torah) keeping parents and the child is assumed to internalize and perpetuate the b'rit Torah unless demonstrated otherwise. (Note that parents who don't impart the b'rit Torah are defined by this definition as goyim, falling into the following, NOT the previous, description.) The counterpart, a born goy child, is assumed to internalize and perpetuate some form of avodah zarah (non-Torah "all other") UNTIL DEMONSTRATED OTHERWISE (by shouldering the yoke of the b'rit Torah, requesting conversion). Accordingly, a LOGICALLY-defined Jew--i.e., necessarily compatible with the b'rit Torah--would seem to be: 1. One who is born of two Jewish parents AND doesn't reject the b'rit Torah (satisfying the paradigm exception of Esau), and 2. Anyone not prohibited by Torah who commits, before a Torah-ordained beit din, to subsequently do his or her utmost to live according to Torah AND doesn't thereafter reject the b'rit Torah. Note that even those whom Torah prohibits (and, therefore, cannot marry within Am-Yisraeil) remain qualified to live a Torah life as a geir(ah). There are many genetically Semitic Edomites who would do far better than they're doing now to become as Jewish as these Benei Menashe. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jewish & Goyim) www.netzarim.co.il

Anway, I want to say something ! Please dont belittle these 1,500 Bnei Menashe- for judgement belongs To The Lrd G-d of Yisrael. They are righteous in their observance..let it be....be fair and be of good cheer...idiots ! :-) Actually you Israeli have become RACIST ! NO I CANNOT CONDONE SUCH RACISM! Take it ! This is comming from a SINGAPORE SHEPARDIC JEW OF BAGDADI ORIGIN ! ben singapore :-)

you judge these children of Adam ! Remember Jacob and Esau ( the ancestors of the Gentiles are of the same womb. Jews and gentiles are loved equally by G-d. If they keep they keep the observance, they are Priest of the Lrd G-d. I suppose you forgot the father in law of Moshe Rabiyahnu. (The Nochide) You seem to have forgotten the lost tribe of Judah. You seem to have forgotten the children of Ham Shem and Japeth! You seem to have forgotten the 70 nation and 71 languages created at the tower of babel. SO STOP BABELING IDIOT! Come out and see the world ! Be nice to people. Be nice to your neighbours Be nice to yourself Dont do one commandment and break the rest! Israel you are becoming very disappointing these days. Now one day you will deny me too. ben singapore

I'm sorry to tell you that you are absolutely the "ugly" and ignorant side of the Jews. I have neighbors of Bnei Menashe and several families are living in my home town. They are practicing Judaism religiously much better than me and I may assume even better than you. Your proofs about that they are not the genuine Bnei Menashe is not based on any historical facts. Are the Ashkenazi Jews looking like the Sephardic Jews? Are Syrian Jews looking as same as the Yemen Jews? You are totally ignorant which is almost passing to racism.

quote"The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic peoples are Israelite, sons of Manasseh...." I've never known an Anglo-Saxon-Celtic (ASC) claim any such relationship, nor have I heard it taught in any church I've been to. I'm an ASC and know many others, Catholics and Protestants, who are also. In my part of the US, it's hard to throw a stone without hitting someone who is of ASC descent. There's a lot of us around here. This is not a teaching common here, unless by some fringe group I'm unaware of. Not ONE person has ever espoused this nor has any church (RC or Protestant) I've been to ever stated such a thing. What church, or group of people, teaches this? What's the point of this teaching? It sounds just like those who have erroneously taught that The Church is the New Israel. > I've never believed that one, nor have I heard it taught in any church I've attended. I was under the impression that teachings such as this died out once Israel was re-established in 1948?

Too bad we have a bunch of ignoramuses in the min of the interior. They could have come long ago, but meir sheetrit then the mminister of the interior did not allow it. We should have sent him and his immediate family back to morocco.

I am an ashkenazi Jew whose (both sides) family came most recently from Minsk, Minsk gubernya, and Lithuania. I look nothing like a person from the Middle East. So racist Jews should call me a goy if they call these highly observant Bnei Menashe goyim because they look like Indians.

In Singapore, they think I am and Arab In malaysia think I am a an Arab too. In Arab Saudi they think I am an Arab In turkey they think I am a Turk In London they think I am a A Pakistani In Pakistan they think I am English In Israel No problem, They know who I am- At Wall Street they know I am a shepardic Jew. In my own Synagogue,in singapore the chabad rabbis( visiting rabbis ) asked me if I am a jew ( well I felt like throwing my shoes at him)! Goodness it take all kind of jews to be jews. we are a bunch of morrons :-) who hate ourselves and go to the extend of bring such hatred to highest esteem to the point we feel "I am holier then thou". well tell me , isnt this the very motivation behind you idiots who castigate these 1,500 bnei Menash ? I charge you all with Racism ! Indiffrence ! Double standards ! And I kick myself for having brotherens like you all here. Ok I have to go now, see you around :-) so what is happening to Jonathan Pollard and Gilat Shalit ?

I AM A MUSLIM AND AS WE ALL(MUSLIM,CHRISTAINS,JEWS) SHARE THE SAME IBRAHIM,MOSES...& OTHER PROPHETS..& WE ALL BELEIVE THAT WE ARE FROM THE SAME FATHER & MOTHER- ADAM & EVE....I AM SURPRISED,COMING FROM THE SAME BACKGROUND...THAT ALL HUMAN ARE NOT EQUAL....& ONE IS HIGH & OTHER IS LOW.....I WISH IT WAS TIME WE ALL ACCEPTED THIS TRUTH....& REMOVE FROM THE WORLD...THE RACIAL FEELINGS...& MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL THE CHILDREN OF ADAM...TO LIVE!! THANKS...

I don't think even the writer beliefs that there are "only" 7000 lost tribes(b'nei Menashe) left in India. Yes, there are about 7000 halakhic Judaism follower left - which is about 1/4th of all the lost tribes in India!! Reality Bites, yes it sure does.

Ask you for help so you pass it onto the American taxpayer? sad isnt it