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Students refuse to enlist due to 'occupation'
Daniel Edelson
Published: 12.10.09, 17:36
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31. This is what happens
ben Ish   (10.12.09)
when you fail to excise the mental illness that is liberalism from the school system. Had Israel remained Israel from 1948 this problem would not exist. But the western system of right vs. left is a false-choice system that is created specifically to enhance manipulation exactly like this.
32. Sad statement by those who opt-out of society
JPS ,   Efrat   (10.12.09)
Far from being strong willed opponents to the system, I find these kids to be weak-bellied apologist for political incorrectness. They fit right into the stereotype that Shmuel Hasfari and Eldad Yaniv described in Ha'aretz. For those unfamiliar, these 2 leftists drafted a new manifesto to redefine the left. They are staunch zionists who label draft dodgers for what they are: a deluded 5th column. It's time for other leftists to stand up and be counted and condemn these kids for their anti-Israel stance.
33. The best we have
Yona Kaplan ,   Ramat Gan   (10.12.09)
They are wiking to risk long prison terms in order to end at last the occupation which is destroying Israel. Good luck to them!
34. those stupid brats should think about it over
(10.12.09)
20 year sentence in cells with Palestinian 'freedom fighters' whom they so adore. treason shouldn't be legal
35. so, let the IDF join them; too much makeup
observer   (10.12.09)
36. "students refuse...."
les ,   canada   (10.12.09)
how wonderful it is to be young! :)) to have firm "opinions, believes, convictions" with out the slightest idea of the consecvences it brings. of course they learn these falsehoods at home or in the school system, which should be eliminated immidietly! i would also "exile" them to gaza for a year, so they'll have a chance to see why the majority of jewish kids consider it an honor to serve their country!!!
37. The most courageous kids in the whole world.
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (10.12.09)
They refuse to be slaves to fear.
38. don't enlist...
fiona ,   jerusalem   (10.12.09)
I am humbled by your bravery in the midst of a society of people who have already even in this 'talkback' hurled abuse and accusation at you and towards you. I admire your conscience and your morality. You are neither naive, nor are you 'mentally disturbed', 'spoilt chilonim', 'traitors' 'pathetic' or cowards. Those who wrote such slander towards you are those who are not thinking with the intelligence and clarity you have. As a mother of a newly drafted teenager, I applaud your clirity of purpose. I wish my own child would refuse army service as you.......I do not wish to sacrifice my child to the immoral policies of our government, and the lack of vision that is our leadership (and population). I do not wish my child to serve this occupation, and to perpertuate what is the essential failure of this country. Jews cannot occupy. I congratulate and support you. Do not bow to the masses of non-thinkers, do not bow to the peer pressure that makes up your violent generation. Do not bow to the attack on your youthful wisdom.
39. The three amigos...
Ginette Golden ,   Toronto, Canada   (10.12.09)
Well, well, well there is another reason (valid or not) as to why these three kids refuse military duty...read my lips: C O W A R D S! First there is this pretty blonde, and then there is this plain looking girl who might think she will get the crap beaten out of her for looking Arab. And finally there is this "stud" who thinks if he joins them, he may have a crack at either one. Pretty pathetic and if you ask me, they don't deserve to live in such beautiful country as Israel. But then again, I should not be so harsh on them, after all they are only kids who need to either grow up or a swift kick you know where.
40. Treasonous behavior
Shira ,   NY Be"H YERUSHALAYIM   (10.12.09)
openly stating that you refuse to join your country's military because of the "occupation" is treasonous and you don't deserve to live in a country which your are not willing to protect against murderers. These mentally ill students should be expelled from the country or at best, be banned from attending univesities in Israel or for that matter working in Israel or receiving any benefits from the government at best.
41. Mis-guided
Oren ,   Or Yehuda   (10.12.09)
Are they referring to the Palestinians who are occupying Jewish land When the so-called Palestinians leave Jewish land, there will no longer be an occupation
42. Moronic Youth
Mike ,   Ramat Aviv, Israel   (10.12.09)
This idealism and self defeating mentality is disgusting... Kick them out of the country, let them move to Sweden and everything works out for everybody.
43. #38, neighbor Fiona
i ,   jerusalem   (10.13.09)
I am Jew, and I don't occupy, I reside, I contribute and build the land, along with @ 90,000 others over the green line. You swallow the Pali propoganda that we OCCUPY like it is thievery. It is not. You have sold your birthright for a pot of what?
44. #1, hello?
Bearded Boegyman ,   Yehud Medinta   (10.13.09)
did you read the text or look at the photos? You are just popping the clutch without turning on the brain? Yours truly, criminal settler
45. Some clarity
David Olesker ,   Jerusalem Israel   (10.13.09)
The issue is not if these kids are brave or not (they are willing to go to jail) or if they are sincere or not (see above). It's not even if they are naive or not -- there peers who are willing to serve and even in some cases risk their lives have as much or little experience of the world as these kids. The issue is if they are right or wrong. Their unsubstantiated cruelty on the part of the IDF is simply factually incorrect. Their willful lawbreaking might be justified if their claims were true. Since they're not it's a wast of their and everyone else's energy.
46. My genes must not be earthly since I wanted to serve in the
Rivkah   (10.13.09)
military inspite of birth defects and was determined to do so. Ariel Sharon rose to the rank of General in the IDF with a hole in his heart. He must not have earthly DNA, either. Earthlings want to avoid military service that is vital to their nation, so those who put themselves in harm's way. Only those with DNA from the Lord who is a man of war Exodus 15:3 says can have it in their hearts genetically to want to serve in the military because that is to be like the Lord. What corrupted the DNA of the shirkers? Fallen angels in their genes is my guess. Nephillim. The book Star Gates is about the coming era which is here already when the earth is like it was before the Flood of Noah when nephillim genetics corrupted the DNA of human beings. Human beings are elohim beings, unlike angels. That means they have DNA more similar to God than angels have. At the time of the Great Flood, only Noah was perfect in his geneology (DNA). All other families were corrupted with fallen angel DNA.
47. 15
Rosie ,   Israel   (10.13.09)
Great!!!
48. 38
Rosie ,   Israel   (10.13.09)
"Jews cannot occupy." There was time when Jews could not kill, but were extremely good at being killed.
49. 40
Rosie ,   Israel   (10.13.09)
"you don't deserve to live in a country which your are not willing to protect against murderers" What about haredim and Arab citizens?
50. Students Refuse To Enlist
M.Cohen ,   Isreal   (10.13.09)
Good on them for taking a stand against a brutal regime. It seems the future really is within our children.
51. Oye Veyishnoigan!!
Rabbi Schmecklbrows ,   Qumran   (10.13.09)
My people, This cannot stand. We are the chozen among sheep and cattle. How dare these HERTY ZAHYIN refuse to serve our Motherland. We should lock them in closets and starve them and feed them pieces of the Talmud till they gnash their teeth and howl at the moon. Traitorous little ones they are. Spare the rod, spoil the child. OYE VEY!!!! That Frecha is also wearing a ring around her neck. Haval!!!!! Oye VEY I think my shtizl is vagloosh, someone call the doctor. Palpatations I tell you!! THis cannot stand, they must join us in our genoci.....I mean...war on Isla....I mean Terror....
52. FANTASTIC
MissMegs ,   Australia   (10.13.09)
Stand up for what you believe. This is wonderful. Keep a record available to the world so we can watch and GET EVERY COUNTRY OUT OF ANY WAR.
53. Good initiative!
Wim ,   Netherlands   (10.13.09)
They definitely have my support and I'm surprised to see the cynical and sometimes abject comments on this brave initiative. Violence will never be the way to attain durable peace.
54. Wim @ 53, I do not know whether these kids are
leo ,   usa   (10.13.09)
right or wrong, but this is not Netherlands. This is Israel, tiny country surrounded by mortal enemies 400+ mills in number and hell bent on Israel's destruction. And you are wrong. History shows that violence and only violence is the way to attain durable peace. Pushing idealistic nonsense will surely get you Nobel Prize for Peace and maybe even for Chemistry, but it has no bearing on reality.
55. Awesome! These kids have guts
D.Strieber ,   USA   (10.13.09)
These kids have guts to stand up against the racist Israelis who are murdering innocent young Palestinians in brutal fashion.
56. great job
john ,   usa   (10.13.09)
It's good to know that there are some good people amongst...
57. to all refusenik supporters i want to reason with you some
(10.13.09)
1. It is not occupation. Please explain to me how the keeping of territories gained in a defensive war is 'occupation'.
58. S-o-o-o superior?
Popsiq ,   Canada   (10.13.09)
About as superior as Hans and Sophie Scholl must have felt about refusing to join Nazi organizations, or do their 'national service'. Only 80. That's much akin to the one good man in biblical Sodom. Way to go, junger! Stay strong!
59. mandatory military service= a crime against humanity
cbm ,   USA   (10.13.09)
the comments posted to this board have been nothing short of disgusting. That any nation, let alone one founded on the principles of Judaism, would require military service of its youth is unacceptable. We tend to forget that, prior to the settlement of Israel, most jews lived in arab lands free from the antisemitism that was fervent throughout europe. Agression against israel is not inherent to arabs, it is rather a product of the unequal treatment meted to palestinians and Arabs who's input in this discourse has been ignored. Moreover, it seems many respondents here fail to see the difference between israel, the state, and israel, the spiritually promised land. The two are not the same, and spiritual justifcations for israel should not be confused or used to defend/rationalize actions of the state. Governments are run by people- who are corruptible, selfish, and not infallible. The israeli government is no exception. without the billions in cash and State of the art weaponary provided by the US, the israeli military could hardly afford to house recruits, let alone require service. While i harbor no critcism against the spirtual concept of israel, i will say without regret that the government itself is a sock-puppet for the west, a pawn of proximity, whose western support is provided as a means to an end, not out of the collective goodness of the heart (very little of that in the west). I only wish for peace.
60. Students
Rosie ,   Israel   (10.14.09)
The picture - from left to right: The Spoilt, The Stupid, The Ugly. Where would they be if it were not for The IDF? Where would we all be if it were not for those who fought for this country and literally served it to us on a golden platter? Now it is this generation's turn, and in any sane country these 3 agents of our worst enemies would stand trial for treason and serve time in jail.What about children in Sderot, that were killed or crippled by rocket fire aimed specifically at them? Don't they have a right to live, to grow happy and healthy, TO BE DEFENDED in face of danger? And those children were targeted by rockets from Gaza after the last Israeli left the last centimeter of Gaza! What occupation are those too well off bums talking about? And if rockets fall on Saviyon or Ramat Aviv Gimel whom will this spoilt covered with a ton of make-up and fashion accessories babe call for help and defence? By her logic, no one should enlist in the Army, so let her run to her beloved Arabs for help. Apropo Israeli Arabs, and also Jewish haredim, - Military service is mandatory for EVERY CITIZEN. Period. Haredi and Arab women can do National Service, considering their dress code,etc. Those who refuse are criminals (acting against The Law) and should be treated accordingly. And more than that, after serving time in jail - no access to any university or college that benefits from public funding, and no access to jobs in public sector.
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