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Neturei Karta: Returning Shalit not a commandment
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 19.10.09, 17:47
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31. Neturei Nincompoops
Gershon ,   London UK   (10.20.09)
Its SO IRONIC - as anyone who has read a little history knows - that its precisely these sort of eccentric, pathetic, halachic ignoramuses masquerading as orthodox Jews that were butchered and tortured and expelled and plundered and raped and robbed for the past 1800 years until Jews finally got together an ARMY to protect and defend all Jews - (including thes crackpots) especially in eretz Yisroel where they were particulalry mistreated by the arabs etc. As an orthodox rabbi my opinion is that the Shalits of the world - like every Jewish soldier who protects Jewish life -even if they break shabbos and dont put on tefillin - have infinitely more reward in the world to come than these ungrateful criminals who dare to speak in the name of Hashem and His Torah against Jews who risk their lives to protect Jews everywhere (even them!). Make no mistake - Hashem will sort these jokers out - big time. They need to fear the day of Judgement more than anyone. Boy are they gonna get it!!
32. These bunch gone SICK IN THEY HEAD !
Ben ,   singapore   (10.20.09)
33. Trade all the NK's for Gilad Shalit
Yankel ,   Pittsburgh, USA   (10.20.09)
What kind of Jews speak against the homeland of their own brethren? What kind of Jews suck the goods off the land and then curse it? The Niturei Karta should be deported from Israel and from all around the world and traded for Gilad Shalit and any other decent human beings. The problem is that no one in the world would want them.
34. HOW LOW CAN THESE PEOPLE WHO CALL THEMSELVES JEWS SINK?
zionist forever   (10.20.09)
It is not for any man no matter how righteous he thinks he is, the relationship each individual has between himself & G-D is a private matter for G-D to judge. As for it not being a mitzvah to get him back if he intends to continue violating Shabbat & eating non kosher food that goes against everything Halacha teaches. According to Hallacha just about every law short of denouncing G-D can & should be broken if it will save a life. These men are not the good jews they would like to think they are. They don't even observe the 2 minute silence when the siren goes on Yom Hashoa .. is this their way to punish jews in Aushwitz for nt keeping kosher or observing Shabbat? As these people hate Israel & non ultra orthodox jews so much then maybe its time to rid them of the shameful burden of having to be citizens of a jewish state.
35. to 25
Susan ,   Kfar Saba   (10.20.09)
Don't worry. They have been kicked out. Other religious Jewish groups put them in harem after the Teheran holocaust denying, hug Ahmendinijab debacle. In Monsey they put their pictures, names and business on the internet. They boycot their businesses, kicked their kids out of yeshivah, and in one incident that I know of kicked a NK family out of a kosher hotel in NY. Nobody, not even the Satmars can stand them.
36. NK must be kicked out of Israel!!!
Free Gilad Shalit ,   Israel   (10.20.09)
37. Df, Beer Sheeba:
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (10.20.09)
I wasn't aware that the Neturei Karta were not Israeli citizens (makes sense since they do not recognize the state) nor possibly are they permanent residents. This information is of utmost importance. I agree with your position. We need to rid Israel of these miserable aliens. One of Israel's problems is that we harbour our internal enemies, even nurture them. There are Arab/Israeli citizens who consciously sabotage the state as well as Jewish socalled human rights representatives. Our democracy is stretched. We need to create better limits; if not, we may weaken, damage and destroy ourselves from within. In actuality, we have been damaging ourselves for a long time. At any rate, Df, thanks again for the excellent commentary!
38. These people are NOT Jews
Lioness ,   Israel   (10.20.09)
They are an Islamic sect that should be dealt with like the enemy.
39. Why publish this?
Keren ,   N   (10.20.09)
Why publish this non information? By giving attention to this utter nonsense you help this bunch of idiots. FREE GILAD!!!
40. Neturei Karta
Spencer ,   Israel   (10.20.09)
This article shows just what kind of garbage exists in the movement. These dregs of humanity are no more Jewish than than a dead mouse!
41. Neturie Karta
Barrieg ,   Zichron Yaakov   (10.20.09)
Ship these fanatic parasites into Gaza or into Iran where they will find peace and happiness. Far from the Zionist who feed them.
42. NKusa
Madai ,   USA   (10.20.09)
I'm a traditional Jew. Not extremist & not non-observant, but way between. I read about Neturei Karta (NK) & their thoughts & ideology. The deeper I ponder about their matters, the more convinved I become that they're right. The crucial point that made me think that they were right started when they claimed that "Jews are still in exile". This was right.
43. parasites
Don ,   Los Angeles U.S.A.   (10.20.09)
These people are parasites, plain and simple. Send their buts off to Afghanistan to fight with the Taliban
44. why do you publice this rubbish
(10.20.09)
45. We've had enough of 'Taliban-style' Judaism
Steve   (10.20.09)
The Neutrei Karta are no less fanatical than the Taliban or the mullahs in Iran. They are a sick cult, and their presence in Israel is detrimental to the good of the country. Perhaps we should deport them to somewhere like Iran, where such extremist views are embraced. I'm sure they won't mind; they're always talking about how Israel is an abomination.
46. to people tells others to ignor them
ghostq   (10.20.09)
we can't they harming Israel you can Ignor someone who just talk but they don't just talk they do. none can Ignore those ticks. and someone should do something, meeting with enemies or Hamas leaders is unacceptable and they blab for someone who keep their family safe. much like the abusive mother case this can't be ignored ultra orthodox disgusting hid under the rug policy must come to an end.
47. Harmful to Judaism
Yehudi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.20.09)
These people do a great deal of harm to the Jewish religion. They are beneath contempt.
48. to the family of Gilad Shalit - we do not support the NK
Rebecca ,   Modiin   (10.20.09)
I hope this NK rubbish does not reach the Shalit family. We are very much obliged to rescue Gilad, just as we are obliged to try get the NK to "see the light". We are our brothers keepers, no matter who our brothers are. The difference here is that we want to rescue Gilda. We're not that keen on the NK.
49. #46 makes a very valid point.
just do it   (10.20.09)
Our country should really and definitely 'deal' with them as we (should) do with all traitors.
50. #13 - yes, publicize them
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (10.20.09)
It is important for people to understand just who the Neutrei Karta are and what they stand for. There are some very ignorant Jews and Christians who donate to them because they don't.
51. Targeted Killings
eddie ,   london UK   (10.20.09)
I think they should also apply to the NK,a s they are "Rodef" - pursuers of Israel.
52. Offensive
Avi   (10.20.09)
Equating Shalit and the golden calf is absolutely offensive. Shalit happens to be a person who served his country and is paying the price for that each day he is captive in Gaza. He is a brave person and merits every good attempt to set him free so he may live the rest of his days living in the land of his ancestors-as a proud Jew and citizen of Israel.
53.  Programme on TV tonight,Tuesday
FYI ,   Israel   (10.20.09)
on Toldot Aharon community. Channel 10, I think. 'Hamakor' series. 'The Source'.
54. swap them instead
AVI ,   Israel   (10.20.09)
Now thats a good deal !
55. rejection
Reg   (10.20.09)
Kartas are agents of Ahmadinejad, and nassralah. that rabbinic cult has nothing to do with judaism, and it is time for all jews to vehemetly rejects these fanatics where they belong
56. programme on toldot aharon was superb
well I never ,   Israel   (10.20.09)
57. to #37
Susan ,   Kfar saba   (10.21.09)
I think a lot of them are Americans.
58. Between man and man (bein adam l'havero)
(10.21.09)
I do not know the neturei karta but if any one of them were in mortal danger I would be willing to go and rescue them because despite their stupidity they are still my fellow Jews. Kal v'homer (from the lightest to the most serious) if I am willing to go and rescue them then I am more than willing to do what I can in being sure that Gilad Ben Aviva Shalit is returned home!
59. Brilliant piece of PR
(10.21.09)
allowing 'suddenly' on our tv screens(!!!) the showing of Toldos Aron. Any connection to the upcoming trial of one of their females?.... You can bet on it! Suddenly after all these years... Her husband isn't from their midst. Couldn't the family find an authentic homegrown t'a' (toldos aron, not tel aviv lol) chossid for this shidduch, that they had to import one?....
60. Prisoner swap proposal! These 450 lunes for Gilad!!!
Jae ,   Lynn US   (10.21.09)
all in favor (that would by 99% of people), vote yes.
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