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America isn’t Sweden
Gideon Eshet
Published: 23.10.09, 00:02
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1. wow
ben ,   jerusalem-palestine   (10.23.09)
finally some words that have truth in them. this is one of the very few times that i read truthful words on Ynet or in Israeli media in general. i wish all talk backs realize this and stop thinking that Israel can do this or that. Israel will stop turkey from joining the EU, or boycott Sweden, or or or.... the only thing you are capable of is attacking civilians in Gaza. you could not even defeat Hamas, and you begged the UN for a cease fire on the Lebanese front. the same UN that you love to hate. will you wake up Israel and realize that you cant keep oppressing people. in Arabic they say what goes around comes around.
2. i don't understand this article
Matt   (10.23.09)
"After all, Israel is just as powerful as the government of Costa Rica." What? Is he speaking in jest? What is the author's point?
3. The most illogical article I've ever read
Post Liberal ,   Israel   (10.23.09)
FBI never said Israel has anything to do with this man. They tricked him and he proved they were right about him. It's like the police sending an undercover agent to buy narcotics. If the dear author looks for something to be outraged about, he should explore the subject of Stockholm mosque tapes and Swedish official reaction to calling Jews "disease" and "brothers of apes and pigs"
4. entrapment
alexi   (10.23.09)
The US citizen is not guilty as he was entrapped in honey coated scheme by the US
5. #1 ben dover
jb ,   canada   (10.23.09)
Get a life! You ought to know about oppression, since you've been doing it from the time of Mohammed! That you could even understand the point of this turgid dreck is amazing since its so pointless and idiotic. Must be birds of a feather. Ther's another Arab expression, "Ben", old boy...once a fool always a tool!
6. Except the "newspaper" in Sweden
Danny   (10.23.09)
is closely linked to the ruling party
7. Machiavellian Politics = No Ethics
Abdel Karim Salim ,   Jerusalem - ISRAEL   (10.23.09)
The writer goes into inquisitive details about Israel's puzzling position but in the last part he himself provides us with the answer everybody must already know ! (1) All governments follow Machiavellian politics which says: " ends justify means " ! In this context Israel's end (ultimate goal) is to remain on good terms with its main supporter and supplier of sophisticated weapons(the USA), such weapons that have all the time tipped the military balance in favor of Israel against its hostile arab neigbors. So why would Israel rashly and irrationally bite the hand that feeds her ? (2) When talking about governments and intelligence agencies it should be noted that their own " codes of ethics " are just the opposite of the codes of ethics of human rights organizations .Thus,for instance, while murder of innocent people is considered a heinous, unforgivable crime by human rights groups such a murder is considered by some governmental agencies as " the most efficient method to forestall the enemies' plans and to deter other "would-be" terrorists from trying to harm Israeli civilians " ! Elementary my dear Watson ... !
8. a rather
Vitaliy ,   US   (10.23.09)
weird and pointless article.
9. US officials quietly categorize Israel as
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (10.23.09)
a strange little theocracy while publicly declaring it a Middle East Democracy. Long story short the only thing that saved FDR from the belligerent and bitter republicans (of his time) was his infirmity. They believed that staging a coup and publicly prosecuting a "cripple" would backfire in the PR arena. Israel's greatest protection from the ever inflated and bloated imperial aspirations of the republican dominated pentagon is it's small size however, the plans were/are available to annex that territory O/O.
10.  Absurdity
Pulizer ,   US   (10.23.09)
The Swedish newspaper item was false, a libel, and inciteful despite the truth and writer & editor both said they did not try to confirm if true or not. US military/gov't from occasionally does admit it erred in targeting. Libel law suits against press for defamation/ libel filed and tried in US & UK courts. Eshet seems to take no responsibilty nor acknowledge press freedom stops at deceit and lies; his cannards and ranting are idiotic and without merit.
11. FBI fear Jewish scientists loyalty to Israel greater than US
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (10.23.09)
Much like the US Japanese during WWII, many Jews feel a strong loyatty to Israel but most US scientist working for gov. have to sign a loyalty oath and FBI is worried about losing state secrets.
12. dear Mr. Eshet
dana rothschild ,   jerusalem, israel   (10.23.09)
I wrote exactly this on my forum two days ago... but... it is not only our government... it is also our press..... why, at once, the next day, I did not see in any Israeli paper a request, written in big, bold letters: OBAMA, APOLOGIZE!!!!! ??? also our press was silent..... we lack journalists with courage... we lack politicians with courage...
13. The author s right. It is a PROVOCATION
Joo ,   Eurabia   (10.23.09)
14. #1 we begged in Lebanon? in what world?
(10.23.09)
but maybe i'm mis-remembering, was it our prime minister that cried (literally) during that war to the un? must be, since you say we begged for a cease fire.
15. So during the weapon embargo of the 1950s we were... what?
Aidan ,   Haifa   (10.23.09)
non existing?
16. Good job exposing America's and Israel's bluffs.
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (10.23.09)
The American government is a bluffing hypocrite when it pretends we are their true friend, while stabbing us in the back with this Nozette story. The Israeli government is a bluffing hypocrite when it is all vocal and gung-ho against Sweden and Turkey, but acts like Mary's little lamb when it's America that bullies us. Indeed the Israeli government is too powerless and gutless and impotent to protest this injustice to its master America, however we the Israeli citizens can do more. When our American master in Capitol Hill fails us, we can turn to the American people. We can let them know what we think of their country bullying and fanning hate toward us. Hopefully our American friends would put a quick stop to this crazy administration. At which point, we'll thank them from the bottom of our heart, and appreciate their immense help to us. After all, as the author says - we wouldn't last a minute without (the sane) America being there for us. May God bless our American friends.
17. Huh?
S Grossman ,   Brooklyn NY   (10.23.09)
The author must really hate his country. Shame!
18. I don't agree
Leonard ,   LA. usa.   (10.23.09)
This writer doesn't know how strong the IDF is and the other branches of defence. Israel is clasified as #3 in world power maybe #4 after China now. If the U.S. won't sell f-16's Russia will comply. If all people in Israel become weaklings like I gather from this artical then, well you can guess the outcome.
19. The FBI was not unethical
Jerrold Cohen ,   Seal Beach, USA   (10.23.09)
The FBI did a typical sting operation to test its theory that the suspect was guilty, and he did things that showed he was guilty. Nothing unethical. You don't catch a thief by coming up to him and asking if he is a thief. You catch him by leaving something tempting but unguarded in plain view.Thieves steal it. Honest people don't.
20. This guy is a bigest idiot I ever met in my life
Alex ,   US   (10.23.09)
21. Israel specifically was not found culpable.
vered ,   israel   (10.23.09)
Isn't entrapment against the lawa though?
22. Israelis, you need to learn the basics of communication
JM   (10.23.09)
That is, first of all, learn to listen. You are not SO smart that you are exempt from the importance of practicing good communication. Unfortunately you're 99% know-it-all schmendricks so I'm just wasting my fingers typing this.
23. Israel is in good company!
The Doc   (10.23.09)
What about the ENTIRE UN which does not do a thing to criticize, attack, demonize and generally harrass the US, China and Russia over THEIR war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia, Tibet, and the Muslim provinces of China? Nobody slams Russia and China for THEIR Human Rights "record" - assasinating journalists, framing oil companies which refuse to give-in to Kremlin "protection" schemes, murdering whole familes of disidents, deporting and relocating masses of ethnic groups and so on. What about EU which would not criticize or attack the Arab World because of fear that the Oil may go up or that the Muslim Fifth Column they allowed to breed inside their hearts will riot and disturb their morning croissant with cafe au lait! Somebody said: you do not antagonize your banker! So Israel is doing JUST THAT! It is doing EXACTLY what the UN and the EU have been doing. So all the naive and Israel-bashing posters here moaning why Israel behaves like this, mind your own business. I am sure that in similar (or even more benign) situations, you would behave the same! And it you are a Muslim, you already know that you've been behaving like this for more than a millenia, just as the Qur'an teaches you to do. ISRAEL IS IN GREAT COMPANY! NO NEED TO BE ASHAMED!
24. AS A SWEDE I DO NOT AGREE !!!.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Srbia.   (10.23.09)
THE SWEDISH GOVERMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IT SAYS OR NOT SAYS. Lieberman, as well as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, were not angered by the newspaper as much as they were infuriated by the Swedish government’s failure to condemn this improper conduct. As if the Swedish government is responsible for what is written in Swedish newspapers. In August, our foreign minister said that “the freedom of the press is the freedom to publish the truth, rather than the freedom to smear.” This followed a publication in a Swedish newspaper that included claims about IDF troops killing Palestinians and harvesting their organs. THE FAILURE OF THE SWEDISH GOVERNMENT IN THIS CASE, EXPOSES THE HYPOCRISY OF SWEDEN I RATHER THINK. America isn’t Sweden Israeli silence in face of shameful US move exposes our hypocrisy ISRAEL IS NOT IN ANY CASE DEPENDENT ON THE COUNTRYS IN SCANDINAVIA, AS ON THE US. IF YOU STAND ON THE FEET OF US, IT WILL TAKE A VERY BRAVE MOVE TO SHOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT. I RATHER THINK THE US IS TO BLAME HERE. SO - ISRAEL SHOULD CONSIDER ITS DEPENDENCE ON FORIEGN POWER AND TURN WHOLEHEARTEDLY TO JEHOWAH FOR ITS SECURITY. ISRAEL DO NOT SO MUCH OWE ITS THANKS TO THE US, AS TO JEHOWAH, FOR JEHOWAHS LEADERSHIP OF THE US, TO THE BENEFIT OF ISRAEL. ISRAEL SHOULD LOOK TO THE SOURCE, AND NOT TO THE BUCKET, BECAUSE WITHOUT THE SOURCE, US THE BUCKET WOULD BE EMTY. LONG LIVE ISRAEL !!! Arn-Orao.
25. sweden.....
mily ,   israel   (10.23.09)
you are the one who lacks any moral standing.the one ,who are thinking just of publicity and you the jurnalists are the worst plage of Israely society,
26. Eshet, that was the cheapest shot ...
Nick ,   Sweden   (10.23.09)
.. I've seen for years. Civilians get killed in armed conflict all the time - often under controversial circumstances. Pointing this out is absolutely right, if not for more than not to let human conscience sink to below limit of detection. Accusing IDF of killing for harvesting organs or brainwashing public with TV shows portraying IDF as inhuman monsters, is crossing the line for what shoudl be tolerated in the nam of a political conflict. It's the size of the lie and the implication of how inhuman a jew can be that has to be relevant for diplomatic intervention by Israeli government. Your article is so one-sided that it just keeled over ...
27. the garbage that gets published here
jason ,   israel   (10.23.09)
is just astounding. ynet every so often lowers itself for commercial reasons i guess.
28. YES. THIS IS GARBIAGE ARTICLE. I FEEL IT WITHOUT READING IT.
ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU   (10.23.09)
AMERICCA ISNT SWEDEN ??? BLA BLA BLA OF COURSE IS NOT.
29. it seems that Mr. Eshet has finally discovered Ah!merica!
a yawning Israeli   (10.23.09)
30. #18 - Leonard, that is pure erroneous propaganda
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (10.23.09)
And, I am sorry because I appreciate your sentiment. Hey I certainly wish (what you are claiming) was true because Israel clearly offers a better alternative and form of government to that of American republican democracy (better for the citizenry). However , fact is fact and here at the Pentagon they routinely scoff and mock that propaganda, they openly call Israel the 51st state, openly discuss the burden of the Israel suzerainty, and flat out chafe at their (Israel's) inability to acquire technology without stealing from USA. Truth of the matter is Bush admin under the auspices of successful counter/anti-terror was planning to occupy Israel with a reliable police mechanism to ensure its compliance and eliminate its "perfidy and unlawful aggressiveness against religious minorities". The only thing that saved it was its small size and the PR consequences of beating up a small country that isn't Islamic. Truth of the matter is if another relatively large terror attack would've occurred Israel would've immediately been absorbed into the campaign. These sycophants that run the Pentagon only desire to proselytize their religion and get every one consuming their pork (plain and simple or should I say palin and simple)
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