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Yishai: Reform Jews to blame for assimilation
Ronen Medzini
Published: 23.10.09, 07:33
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1. Yishai is the Man
Steven Stein ,   New York   (10.23.09)
He Wears Nice Suits and he has the image to Jews who are progressive. smart man
2. Minister Yishai Is Absolutely Correct!!!
Yerach ,   Jeusalem,Israel   (10.23.09)
Reform & CONservative "Judaism" (sic) has destroyed Judaism in America. We certainly don't need them & their so called "rabbis" to wreak havock here!!!!
3. Reform Judiasm is dying
anana ,   IL   (10.23.09)
the thing about Reform practices is that it approves and encourages intermarriage. People loose a sense of heritage, being that the home is not centered around jewish cycles. Then the offspring of those intermarried couple find no value in marrying Jews, and they marry whomever, and then by the third generation Judaism is an accident of birth, like brown eyes. It's just something that happens to be. Reform Judaism is having to allow for so many exceptions to the rules, it's not supporting or reproducing itself.- the key to survival... When we made Aliyah, someone asked what are we running from- my answer assimilation and intermarriage. I love all Jews. But let's be honest, Judaism in the reform branch is greatly fading. All Jews should move to Israel. Tikkun Olam can start here.
4. Always returning to the same point
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron Israel   (10.23.09)
Reform Jews don't want to accept reality. The fact that they bend and bend and call people who have nothing to do with Judaism as Jews (meaning no mother blood nor proper conversion nor Jewish style of living) doesn't mean their communities are strong, all the contrary, they are getting farther and farther from traditional Judaism and from Israel. Their was already transited many times, but they don't learn. Why? Very simple, living in the USA with high standards, not having to resign Shabat to Gd, not having to eat kosher, is more important to them than anything else. Adapting Judaism to live like goyim is NOT the way, is just a clouded assimilation, and the numbers show that clearly.
5. Wrong person, wrong place, wrong time
x 3   (10.23.09)
Achieved minus nothing.
6. Wrong, Mr. Yishai!
Heather Czerniak ,   Milwaukee   (10.23.09)
Reform Jews are very much in Israel's corner and are very much Jewish! Don't just look at our political leanings. Reform Jews are just as diverse in their political persuasions as anyone else. I, my husband and our two kids are very Jewish and very pro-Israel. Don't look at the far-left Jewish element and consider them representative of the Jewish-American mainstream. The majority of us are as Zionist as Zionism gets. Don't count us out.
7. another idiot
JM   (10.23.09)
another one who can't communicate his way out of a paper bag
8. Amen Yishai
Yonatan ,   USA   (10.23.09)
Reform and conservative Judaism are not real Judaism. They take what the Torah says and modify it or make it optional. They are questioning the core beliefs of Judaism and in doing so have simply created a new religion different from it. Judaism has always evolved and the Torah has been reinterpreted by various legitimate rabbis, but the truth within the Torah was never abrogated. Reform and conservative Judaism are movements started out of convenience and people support them out of convenience. They allow you to avoid all the challenging aspects of being a Jew like serious prayer, genuine conversions, and observing all the mitzvot. They simply tell you these things are not necessary and you are just as good a Jew whether you do them or not. And Yishai is further right in saying that they lead to greater assimilation. All these fake conversions produce goyish children who simply believe they are Jews. Those people with the right to reinterpret the Torah should at the very least have a complete and thorough understanding of it. The so called rabbis produced by reform and conservative Judaism are walking insults to real yeshiva graduates with smicha who have devoted themselves to living a Torah observant lifestyle. American Jewry is slowly disappearing. Those who are left and are not torah observant, but are halachicly Jewish, should flee to Israel now before it is too late. It is time we started investing in the long term survival of our people.
9. I was there when he spoke
Shalom   (10.23.09)
As someone who was actually in the audience, I can tell you that the President's conference is something like a "Gentlemen's club" - the VIPs consisted of Shimon Peres' old cronies and the "kissing the air" and back slapping of all the guests was something hilarious to watch. Unfortunately, if you had asked the guests, if any of their children/grandchildren had assimilated/intermarried, I would wager a guess that at least 80% of them would answer in the affirmative. What happened as a result is that when Eli Yishai came along and spoke pure facts, it's too painful for the "oldies" to hear, because they know he is correct; so what do they do - they boo. I applaud him - he knew what he was getting himself into; I counted 8 kippot in the entire Binyenei HaUmah.
10. Truth hurts .
Trumpeldor ,   eurabyieh   (10.23.09)
US refom jewry is dying,it is a fact supported by all recent demographic studies ! Jewish heritage and ahavat Israel is kept through religious observance,like it or not .
11. with all due respect to reform jews
Michael ,   tel aviv   (10.23.09)
most unfortunately, Mr. Yishai is essentially correct: reform judaism IS dissapearing because of assimilation. This is unpleasant, of course, but booing is not the answer
12. ******* THE TRUTH HURTS = BOOING *******
REFORM JEWS NEVER ,   HAD A CHANCE   (10.23.09)
13. Most Reform Jews celebrate Christmas! What kind of Jews are
Dan   (10.23.09)
they?
14. To # 6 Heather: ITS NOT ABOUT POLITICS................
Hanah   (10.23.09)
ITS about assimilation and intermarriage. 2 more generations and no more Jews in America!
15. ridiculous
judy ,   herzliah   (10.23.09)
reform judaism IS judaism. period. you may not agree with all its tenets,. just as i don't agree with all of those from orthodox judaism... az ma? when it comes down to it,.. whoever is jewish is jewish. the rest of the world doesn't really distinguish between the sects. i don't like this minister ishai... i don't like his policies regarding judaism. and i don't like his policies regarding foreign workers and their children. i am a jew. i'm as jewish as it gets.... my mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's..... etc.... but i consider myself more aligned with reform or conservative ideas than other sects. we are all brothers and sisters.. in our religion and in this world. amen
16. Yishai : if you want Jews to make Alyah
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.23.09)
begin with lesser coercision on Israeli seculars . Why should Jews make Alyah when they can't move on shabbat ? When they have to obey the Orthodox rules ? When only a Orthodox wedding is "kosher" here ? Make this country more accepting all kind of Jews , not only the Orthodox ones . Intermarriage is not only there because of the reform , there are other reasons . To avoid this trend : give your children a FULL time Jewish [ not necessarely religious ] education . They will know , for most of them , only Jewish kids , will not intermarry so easily .
17. The Jewish population in the US is shrinking.
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (10.23.09)
And most of them aren't immigrating away, to say the least. The first generation dies, the second generation intermarries, and the third generation isn't Jewish. That's the reality today in the US except among the Orthodox Jews. They're the only group that's steadily growing even as the number of Jews (not the relative number to the US population, but the absolute number!) is falling. When US Reform Judaism compromised to allow interfaith marriages in a desperate attempt to hold on to the congregations, they merely cemented an existing reality.
18. It's the truth
Benjamin ,   New York City, USA   (10.23.09)
The difference between an Episcopalian and a Reform Jew in America is the former pretends to be Christian and the latter pretends to be Jewish. Their children, of course, finally marry each other in a secular ceremony after cohabiting for five years. Then they get divorced eight years later.
19. Everyone is a Rabbi
Misgeret ,   Israel   (10.23.09)
Everyone here is a Rabbi, or at least a "guardian of the faith", that must know a lot of Halacha. People, the Halacha can be changed, it was change in the past!!!!! when we were all "orthodox" and I don't see anyone here saying anything about that. I agree that American Jews are being assimilated, but it's their choice, as it was the choice of the Orthodox Jew Maddoff to rob many of our own people. Reform, Conservative and Orthodox, all of them have good things and bad things, but none, as far as I know, can be called non-Jewish. Saying that is just plain stupid, ignorant and very the likes of our islamic neighbours
20. DONT BOO - HE'S RIGHT - 50% INTERMARRIAGE RATE
andrew ,   miami,fl   (10.23.09)
21. When you take a Jew out of Judaism, you are an empty shell
(10.23.09)
22. On being Special
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (10.23.09)
What the hell is so special about being a Jew, Christian, Muslim, black, white, where you were born, or where you live? It seems that people on power trips have created God in palatable images, instituting whatever tenets, rituals, and laws it took to set groups of malleable “us's” apart from all those unmanageable “them's.” I suspect that God is really pissed about that sort of arrogance and we'll be at each other's throats until we recognize the various fairy tales for what they are, and accept the fact that we're all created equal and in His/Her image. Why were we given brains and consciences? Neither is needed to follow various scripts, the details and pretty words of whichever happen to appeal to us.
23. A little ironic hilarity
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (10.23.09)
Below is an excerpt from the obituary of Soupy Sales, a well-known comedian from the 50's and 60's: The Catholics probably sold them - the KKK - the crosses. I haven't had enough coffee to be laughing this hard.....
24. Reform Assimilationists
A B   (10.23.09)
reformers are still busy trying to fight the plain facts. Booing won't change reality! #19: i didn't notice anyone here saying that a reform JEW is "non-jewish. it's just that reform "JUDAISM" is NOT JUDAISM, and, additionally leads directly to assimilation. #6: the point of yishai's remarks weren't about being pro-israel or about politics. they were about JUDAISM, which has absolutely no connection to being pro or against israel. there are many fine christians who are extremely pro israel and there are even some very real jews who are not. so that is far from the point. it's that thanks to reform there are very many less jews in the USA and the world.
25. What a load of crap, Yishai!
John ,   Europe   (10.23.09)
1) The reports of Reform Judaism "loosing and assimilating" date back to the beginning of 20th century! And ever since they did not assimilate and vanish. How is that possible according to your theory? 2) Reforms and Conservatives are the MAIN pillars of Pro-Israeli stance! I was PRESENT at AIPAC when they served pork canapei on one party! You want to sever connections with Reforms and Conservs? Good - you lose 90% of your political power in these territories! America moves away from us - we are in bigger shit than we are currently in! 3) You want people to come to Israel? Make jobs. Make room. Pacify whole this area. You will have people. And more - stop boosting Israel's image with corruption affairs, Shas! There is no disgrace bigger then when a "pious" makes a criminal act!
26. Just the opposite
Eliezer ,   Jerusalem   (10.23.09)
The Reform are gaining many members because many of them are not accepted as Jews by the Orthodox. They find that by the Reform, they are accepted as Jews by others like them both in ignorance and in being not Jewish.
27. The Honurable Deputy PM Mr Eli Ishai.
Anthony Hancock ,   Givat Halfon   (10.23.09)
Bring on the clowns .....and they did. Eli baby ,start learning about the modern world ,the world of reality , leavethe world of of subsidised backwardness. You are are smart "boy" you can make the hurdle.
28. Min.Yishai & Reform Judaism
Y.H. ,   P.R.,USA   (10.23.09)
Yishai is a example of why Amer.Jews are turning away from Israel.Israel comes begging for money & political support.Yet insults us.
29. To #26
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (10.23.09)
I'm not sure whether your statement with respect to ignorance applies to religion, lack of general education, or both, but do you have statistics as to which Jewish Nobel Prize recipients were Orthodox and which were "not Jewish"? To be honest, it's a trick question. I'm simply wondering whether the "not Jewish" you mention turn into good Jews when they win a Nobel Prize or if they're still non-Jews by your standards afterwards, because they weren't Orthodox. Wouldn't it be hypocritical to play that both ways???
30. Jews who are assimilated ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.23.09)
Those American Jews who assisted at this conference are they assimilated ? Lost to Judaism and Israel ? Why were they here then ? Those who booed Yishai were not Orthodox Jews , they were probably Reform ones . By coming to Yeroushalaim they showed what they are :Jews and Israel supporters . Someone told us that he had seen only 8 kippoth . Where were the Orthodox American and Israeli ones ?
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