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Only Jews deserve dignity?
Shulamit Aloni
Published: 26.10.09, 18:06
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1. Comment
Mohammad ,   Jordan   (10.26.09)
The author truely represents what a genuine liberal is " Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. open to new ideas for progress, broad minded". If people on both sides (Arab &Jews) think like the author , we would not have this stupid war in the first place. This kind of articles would benefite the Israeli reader much more than some other articles we read on (Ynet) everyday where the author's main objective is cash and cheap popularity. A nation that has the likes of the author shall flourish and thrive. "Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd". Bertrand Russell
2. I Salute You
Bader ,   Saudi Arabia   (10.26.09)
If only we had more of you on Ynet!
3. Commendable article.
Noor ,   Palestine   (10.26.09)
All people, Muslims, Jews and Christians must understand that noone is better than the other. We are all part of the human race. Israel should learn to treat the muslims and christians in a respectable manner, as they are not better than any fo the two. Same goes to the Muslims in genral and the Palestinians in particular. Inshallah, when we have a state, our duty is to treat all people equally and prevent the state of Palestine from becoming an ethnocentric state like Israel. Palestinians are open minded people, and I surely know this.
4. But this is their job
observer   (10.26.09)
When they used to be used against the haredm, (before the Yasam) violence and abuse was a regular feature of their behaviour, but it didn't even warrant a mention in the media, because that is their job, and haredim are fair game - and there weren't any mobile phones in those days either.
5. Amazing...or is it ?
Marlene N. ,   New York City   (10.26.09)
Not really. This is what should be expected in every sense of the word from a racist state. This did not cause real damage says the Court, however, when a Palestinian child throws stones, which most times does not cause real damage to anyone, they are thrown into prisons only because it could have hurt someone. Well, I guess as Aloni states, dignity and liberty are reserved for Jews only. in a place called Israel. .
6. See Mohammed loves you...and why not?
frank ,   USA   (10.26.09)
The enemies always adore the Jews who criticize other Jews. Would he criticize the Hashemite family? No...he cannot oir he will be severely punished but when it comes to throw an arrow at the Jewish democracy surrounded by the vile, dictatorial neighbors why not? ,,,,and speaking of dignity, there noboby who can strip an innocent person of all dignity than a killer who takes an innocent person's life. That is why the Palestinian Arabs are fostering terrorism. It is done to demostrate the power of the Palestinian Arabs over an Israeli and humiliate/diminish the Jewish dignity.
7. Shulamit Aloni is a stupid lier woman .
002 ,   Netanya   (10.26.09)
She blamed the jews in a local radio in the US that we use the holocoust to achieve our political goals . She just belongs to the left parties of israel .
8. Equality before the law.
Philip ,   Afula,Israel   (10.26.09)
How sickening it is to see again that not everybody here is treated with equality. Its such a simple and basic issue in a well functioning democracy. Unfortunately not all democracies are equally democratic. For your information Mohamad, Shulamit Aloni was and still is one of Israels greatest democrats.Sadly she was never fully appreciated by her fellow countrymen . Her above article is a small reflection of her sparkling personality and human spirit.
9. Human dignity vs humiliation
A Jerusalemite ,   Jersalem, Israel   (10.26.09)
I don't often agree with Shulamit Aloni, but in this case she is right. Being in uniform does not give a person the right to humiliate and physically damage another. Border Guards like these are a shame to us all.
10. Aloni is a LEFT-WING ATHEIST COMMUNIST that must be dealt
Eradicate the LEFT!!   (10.26.09)
with!
11. Retirement
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron Israel   (10.26.09)
Do they provide computers to write nonsense in retirement houses? We need all that generation, Shulamit, Peres, each one of them to stay silent and not to bother our country any more! Enough harm they already did!
12. Dignity
Nili   (10.26.09)
Strange, but without the full court transcripts we should investigate before crying foul. What is really shocking is that I have not heard this author crying out when Jews are abused.
13. Interesting
faye ,   jerusalem   (10.26.09)
this article really infuriates us enlightened leftists. I wonder if we would exchange the 2 arabs in the story for 2 ultra-orthodox haredi jews (from Meah Shearim of course) would we still be incensed at this outright perversion of liberalism and tolerance and would we still wonder why these 'royal majesties' could be refered to as 'nazis' by the victims?
14. Shulamit Aloni: Dignity
dee ,   volcano,USA   (10.26.09)
Can't help but notice that sympathetic comments are clear, articulate, and relate to the subject...while contrary opinions are angry, debasing, namecalling, and try to turn the issue into a different argument. There is a meaning here.
15. Oh, just more stuff for the TV Show...
Turkiye ,   Turkiye   (10.26.09)
... now I understand why we got this TV Show in Türkiye. Reality bites, it seems...
16. And why care? The Palestinians are just the Red Indians.
Mark ,   London   (10.26.09)
17. believe it or not
(10.26.09)
every palestinian living in israel , or the westbank or gaza ,have been in this same humiliating situation , every palestinian have experianced this same humiliation , be it a child ,woman , men , old ,young . AND IT IS REALY HUMILIATING ... thank you israel .. A PALESTINIAN
18. Shulamit no doubt flies everywhere First Class
Babushka ,   USA   (10.26.09)
Try going through TSA at any U.S. airport, especially if you are disabled, and learn what "humiliation" is like. The worst airport in the U.S. is Philadelphia. Yes, even worse than Atlanta. But of course a VIP like Shulamit Baloni always flies First Class and on the taxpayer's tab.
19. #2 Bader in Jew-free Saudi Arabia
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (10.26.09)
"If only we had more of you on YNet!" You can have her on Al Jazeera. In fact you already have plenty of her and the like on Al Jazeera.
20. its there job ???
pe ,   glasgow   (10.27.09)
its there job ?? to sexually assault young boys is that what they are the paedophille cop patrol ??
21. Question & Suggestion
Christy ,   Boston, US   (10.27.09)
1. What findings did the internal investigation turn up? 2. Obtain a lawyer, or two, and bring your own case to court. Are you unable to bring a lawsuit of your own before the Israeli courts? If so, why?
22. Selective criticism
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (10.27.09)
Ok Shula, I happen to agree with you here. Indeed we cannot accept this type of behavior from our soldiers and do nothing about it, and personally I feel ashamed as an Israeli about this incident. And not just me, I believe most Israelis do too. But Shula, let me ask you this: Where was your concerned, accusing voice when Palestinian forces killed hundreds of Palestinian citizens in internal clashes in Gaza, in the past year or so? Where was your scathing criticism, when a Palestinian father murdered his 15-year old son, on suspicion he spied for Israel? Where was your call for "maintaining dignity", when the media in Sweden and Turkey fabricated horrific blood libels against our IDF? Where was your horrified shock, when Leonard Karp was murdered in cold blood by Israeli Arabs, and a little Jewish girl was ran over and murdered by another Israeli Arab during Yom Kippur? Where was your painful concern, when a Palestinian women stabbed, almost fatally, a security guard yesterday? And where are your words of support for Israel, when Palestinians and other Arabs from enemy countries, are brought here to be treated in Israeli hospitals? You see, it's very easy to pick some isolated story where Israel looks bad, and deliver your leftist spiel about how Israel is this brutal occupier, Israelis have no sensitivities, the Palestinians are so miserable and poor, yada yada yada. It appeals to all normative people, and makes you look all humanistic and enlightened. This is the classic leftist trap. However, the deafening silence heard from leftists, upon events where Arabs look bad or Israel looks good - exposes their true face. To be fair, this type of selective criticism is prevalent in extremists from both sides, left as well as right. And this is exactly how I view Ms. Aloni - as a crazed extremist not less dangerous and demented than Baruch Marzel.
23. #2 Bader, #3 Noor, #14 dee
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (10.27.09)
Bader, always interesting to hear support for humanistic ideals from a country that regularly oppresses its own Palestinians, and its own women (including letting a whole class of female students burn alive, a few years ago). And how many lashes did that poor fellow get for talking about sex on television? A THOUSAND?... Ouch... Noor, "Palestinians are open minded people"? Geez, what substance are you high on right now?? I suggest you'd go to Gaza right now, and march up the street with a sign saying any of the following: "Stop Palestinians war crimes against the children of Sderot!" "Haniyeh and his gang are a bunch of corrupt thugs leading Palestinians to oblivion!" "Make Peace with Israel!" "Recognize Israel!" "I'm gay and I'm proud!!!" And then we'll see just how open minded your pals are. dee - what a silly, empty argument. For any 'opinion' column, of course all those in total support would sound more sympathetic, while those who oppose would sound angrier. If you have no difference of opinion, you have nothing to be angry about, duh!... Easily the roles could be reversed (leftists sounding angry, rightists sounding sympathetic) - if you'd have Lieberman writing an opinion here.
24. The Cause
Tamer ,   Jordan   (10.27.09)
Did they do this, because they have be taught in the Talmud that Cananites and Palestinians are Goyem? herds? sheeps? or is it because when an Israelite kills a gentile it is nothing?
25. Shulamit Aloni
Jack Palance ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.27.09)
Babushka at #18 You probably do not even know who this wonderful woman is. I would never begrudge her travelling first class because she is one of the best examples of the BEST OF ISRAEL.. A great liberal and a great democrat. Learn about her a bit more before making another talkback, I am sure you will find her history illuminating.
26. to tahl 23
jojo ,   jerusalem   (10.27.09)
i think guys have empty mind not opened mind and i think your post is empty .. becouse of that about proud guy it is not political but social .. but i will never kill any one becouse of political or social cause .this is the opened mind
27. Well said Tahl
AK   (10.27.09)
28. The raise of imbeciles
sohaib ,   Uk   (10.27.09)
beside the point you m**ron, the lady is talking about dignity that everyone and rightly so should have respect for.this imbiciles were not to abuse their powers if thhey were not coco in the head and holding arms. i wonder what you would say if Shalit is fimed with his pants, it wnat be that funny than would it?
29. If you want to know how the Arabs will dignify the Jews
Daniel ,   USA   (10.27.09)
take a look how the Arabs dignify their own people let alone the Kurds, Coptic Christians, Maronites, etc.
30. the 22 Arab dictatorship and Hamastan
Frank ,   USA   (10.27.09)
know a lot about dignity especially when it comes to honor killings.
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