Opinion  Aviad Kleinberg
Gone with the wind
Aviad Kleinberg
Published: 27.10.09, 11:15
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1. Kleinberg is correct
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (10.27.09)
Everyone knows the report is false, but that is not the point: it won't go away. Israel must immediately send the accused war criminals Olmert, Livni and Barak to the Hague for trial. They will certainly be found innocent and the report will be exposed as the farce it is. Then the three accused could sue Goldstone for defamation.
2. Cut yourself some slack
Jeffrey ,   Boston   (10.27.09)
The Goldstone report is nothing more than a diatribe of Israel hatred by a self loathing Jew. Don't worry about not reading it. The only thing you'll find is dribble.
3. Only problem is Hamas didnt applaud all theother reports
Alan ,   SA   (10.27.09)
4. Open your eyes!
Carrie ,   Dubai   (10.27.09)
Dear Mr.Lleinberg, I read with interest your piece on the Goldstone report. I want to ask you something? Does it feel right to on your side? Did you see the pictures of the dead children in Gaza during the war? The ones who were shot at point blank range? Did it hurt you or even make you feel slightly sad? We as Arabs do not believe into the foolishness that Israel will disappear someday but do you think justifying the slaughter of Palestinian children is acceptable by an average intelegant human being? My only guess is that many Israelis like you have closed their eyes and ears to the new modern day holocaust against the Palestinians. Like the civil rights movement in the US today, believe it or not someday future Israeli generations will read the archives of your news publications today and say ‘imagine we allowed this to happen!”. Open your eyes!
5. The Goldstone "How To" Book
Jeffrey ,   Boston   (10.27.09)
"How to Destroy Israel and Solve the Jewish Problem" The Goldstone report is only one chapter of a long book. It's understandable if you don't read it. No one will hold it against you if you. However, you will be held to account when you mindlessly and meakly march into the cattle car. Remember, G*d helps those who help themselves.
6. #4
(10.27.09)
on the same track, i would like to ask you as an israeli jew... did the varabs show remorse for 9/11 or danced on the streets in joy in all arab lands?? did the arabs in the mid east show remorse when thousands of israeli innocent children on busses, discoteques, restaurants, beaches, synagogues, seder celebration in natanya and many others who were slaughtered by suicide bombers in israel, were murdered in cold blood, etc... amounting to thousands of innocent civilians in israel (even some arab residents by misrake, of course) were blown to pieces and murdered and slaughtered in cold blood by your brothers and sisters. did you not see the arabs celebrating after each suicide bomb attack where scores of israelis were murdered in cold blood???? they danced on the streets and passed candies in celebration. did you mourn the death of 3,000 innocent americans, many amongst them jews and israelis that perished because of your brothers during 9/11??? how do you feel about murdering in cold blood 10 yeshiva innocent students in jerusalem while palestinians were handing candy on gaza and west bank streets?? please spare the jews and israelies your skewed morality. jews have to protect themselves and no one in the idf ever shoots people in cold blood unless these people operate together with hamas and sheild them. this report was a sham to justice, a depravity and you know it. stop eating up the arab propaganda in your country. start fixing up the tenants of your abysmal violent religion of islam, fix up yourt society and its human rights abusers and rulers, fix up for democracy and for fairness in all arab regimes and get off israel's back. you will never be able to win or cause it to dissapear even with the political and media war you are waging on it. you do not know jews, and particularly israelis. they WON';T LET YOU ARABS DO IT. UNDERSTAND???? hameed aboughaze, iranian
7. I don't accept Goldstone's basic premise.
Steve   (10.27.09)
I am one who defends the allied bombings of German cities during the second world war. War is not pretty. Just as the Palestinians elected Hamas terrorists to represent them, the Nazi party rose to power in Germany largely (though not entirely) by democratic means. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis visited terror, mayhem and appalling atrocities on their neighbors, on Jews and other "subhumans." Like Hamas receives the support of its citizens, Herr Hitler was Germany's savior. USAF and RAF fire-bombed German cities, indiscriminately killing hundreds of thousands of German civilians. Unlike Gaza, US and British intentionally targeted civilians. No one called for any commissions of inquiry. Instead we had the Nuremberg trials of Nazi war-criminals. I reject Goldstone's premise. If loss of civilian life in Gaza constitutes war crimes, England and the United States are guilty of war crimes; both then and now. Where is Goldstone?
8. Aviad Kleinberg
Abba ,   Modi'in, Israel   (10.27.09)
Any Jew who has ever read Kleinberg's leftist extremism will find this article to be relatively mild and harmless. He saves his more potent dreck for some of the worst anti-Israeli publications in the Arab world.
9. to #4 what bout the victim on the israeli side
ghostq   (10.27.09)
one Israeli Arab got killed by direct hit of a rocket, needless to say the sucide bomb in the 90's killed many innocent Israelies, did you cried than, I don't think so you don't really care what the muslims r doing.
10. Like someone else said...
Alex ,   Toronto, Canada   (10.27.09)
... you don't need to step into dogsh*t to know that it's dogsh*t. Just looking at it would be enough. There are plenty of reasons that tell anyone who is half-conscious that it's an anti-Israeli document. Not truth-bearing and honest that exposes Israeli misdeeds, but a flawed bunch of rubbish. The entire 500+ pages of it. And remember - Goldstone is just the head of the commission, to give it an aura of Jewish credibility. It was full of UNHRC darlings with very known anti-Israel biases.
11. Ah, except a large number of people HAVE read it
Danny   (10.27.09)
and found it to be junk. I suspect the author is in the not read it camp.
12. Goldstone report cannot be compared to...
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (10.27.09)
...the reports mentioned in the article. Goldstone report is racist and anti-Israeli at its very core. We should not ignore it, but I have a bad feeling that the author of the article expects Israel to actually IMPLEMENT this piece of anti-Israeli demagogy. Well, THIS time, Israel is right to FIGHT the report with any means possible! While politicians may have been wrong in acting upon past NON-RELATED reports, this report is different and the fact that the author of the article puts it together with a bunch of unrelated reports, just proves an ulterior and not quite innocent purpose - trying to shape the public opinion into accepting the monstruosities and lies perpetrated by that reports and YES, I DID READ IT! I wonder if the article author did.
13. israel is loosing ALL media wars
athos lujernetta ,   nice france   (10.27.09)
winning on the gound and ALWAYS LOOSING ON THE WORLD OPINION When Israel will understand:maybe less planes tanks and helicopters, but a israeli al jeizira with people talking properly,(not eh eh eh eh infront of each english world)and understand todays psycholigical war If not,friend israelis take anothetr passport you will not be able to travel anywhere with yours very soon
14. to carry nr 4 dubai
athos lujernetta ,   nice france   (10.27.09)
you are partly right but can you explain to me if islams allows kids woman and men to explode themselves EVERY DAY in suicide bombings: 150 dead yesterday in Irak plus plus 500 woulded andthose are only official fig most probably many more deaths detonatedBY 10 SUICIDE BOMBERS and this nothing to do with Israel please. WHY DONT YOUNEVER CONDEMN THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUr ,,ununderstandable to normal people..
15. ARE I CORRECT IN THE ASSUOTION THAT -
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Srbia.   (10.27.09)
THE GOLDSTONE RAPORT, IS THE PALESTINIAN RAPORT ,WITH NO PARTISIPATION OF ISRAEL. Goldstone yet another example of Israeli tendency to ignore reports IF THIS ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT, YOU ARE BOTH A FOOL AND IDIOT. Arn-Orao.
16. To #4: Have you seen the dead children killed by Hamas?
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (10.27.09)
Yes, there were children killed in Gaza just as there are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Only the non-Gaza ones were killed by Americans, Brits, and others. Where were you when the kids were killed, there and in Chechnya or in Sri-Lanka? No, I forget, as a Dubain, where Jews and Israelis are not wanted and refused entry, you only see the Hamas side of things and the thousands killed by Arab terror, much of which is sponsored by the Arab Oil Princes, don't count in your book. I suppose you are one of those who believe that all the Jews should have been killed in th Holocaust! 6,000,00 wasn't enough for you. After all, the Jewish dead at the hands of Arabs, long before the "Occupation" after the Six Day War, are of no consequence to you in your hatred of Israel and the Jewish people!
17. Simply wrong
Emir ,   Israel   (10.27.09)
The lessons of the Winograd report were put into effect. Look at the results of the Gaza war as opposed to Lebanon. As to the water situation look at how much sewage is now being recycled and desalinization plants built. People pay attention to reports if they have some basis in fact. Godstone doesnt.
18. Why Assume Not Read?
Christy ,   Boston, MA   (10.27.09)
Why assume people who claim this report is unfair haven't read it? People can come to different conclusions than you have. Different conclusions doesn't mean report has not been read.
19. Goldstone hasn't been ignored. It's been rejected.
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (10.27.09)
Kleinberg should check out http://goldstonereport.org where a few NGOs like CAMERA and a host of bloggers dissect and critique the report in fine detail. And I can guarantee that many in the Defense and Foreign Ministries have gone over the report with a fine toothed comb. So the suggestion that the number who wrote the report exceeds the number who actually read it is rubbish. The source of this mandate in the anti-Israel HRC, the mandate itself, the team's membership, and its methodology guaranteed the resulting report would be a travesty. A close examination of the final product proves those concerns were valid. The Goldstone Report lacks any credibility and has properly been rejected.
20. 8 years of Hamas firings and killings produced no report
dan ,   USA   (10.27.09)
21. to 10
shayba ,   kabatya   (10.27.09)
if israil want to know that it is a dogsh*t it must not by step on it or look to it they must tast it .. and it will not so far .wait for less than 10 years
22. law
alexi   (10.27.09)
who says law is correct all the time. Israel is surrounded by a population 50 times its size. So it has to win not only asymmetrically, but enemy losses have to be much larger. Goldstone would require israel losses to be in the same numbers as hamas or anyone else and he said that in the moyers interview. So israel's qualititave edge would be reduced by arabs' quantitative edge. Also, winning wars requires decisive gains, as the hezbollah war demonstrated. And Goldstone is not a military expert as he never served and was never in control of an army. Arabs want israel to go house to house and so does goldstone. Hezbollah war saw 150 israeli soldiers wiped out going house to house in ied booby trapped houses dug in with antitank rockets. Goldstone is not the way you fight wars if you want to win. Gaza's plight is hamas' fault and goldstone was deceived by gazan lies...ohh tis so bad while they collect 2 billion from donor countries. Goldstone wife Noelle apparently is another version of alcicia olmert's wife, a nakba loving arabist. israel had enough of lawyers olmert, a crook and coward, and livni, a mentally challenged fool. Its time for mazuz to do something for israel. And if he recommends a goldstone inquiry, it should also include a legal analysis of goldstone methodology and law.
23. Much appreciation to Mr. Hameed Aboughaze (#6):
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (10.27.09)
It's not often that we get the opinion of an outsider, possibly a Muslim but certainly an Iranian, who comprehends the actual situation (on the ground, as it were) and possesses the wherewithal to include himself in our Talkbacks. This is significant because we Israeli Jews often feel isolated.
24. Facts in report true but opinion on war crimes questioned
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (10.28.09)
The report was biased in that it focused mainly on Israel but Hamas was already on terrorist list and is a non-state group. While facts seem to be true, they were onesided because on afew soldiers interviewed. If IDF actions add up to war crimes depends on who you ask but Netanyahu asked for Gevena laws to be changed so could that mean IDF was guilty?
25. #24
(10.28.09)
Easily accessible Palestinian media reports show that the people Goldstone took statements from lied through their teeth. While they were busy saying, oh no, no armed men around here, their blood relatives were reported killed 10 meters away and received the status of shaheed from Hamas. The Goldstone report is 575 pages long, and it is 575 pages of assorted lies and other crap. The questions asked were non-questions, asked to elicit specific answers. The report gave a new dimension to the word "bias." Anyone who believes it is an unbiased report which gave equal time to both sides is an idiot. The real martyrs are those who have to read the thing.
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