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'Israeli fears regarding united Germany diminished'
Sarah Stricker
Published: 06.11.09, 23:32
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1. Actually I would feel more comforable in Germany today...
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (11.07.09)
Than in former Allied countries who fought the Germans or were neutral, and are now are infested with antisemitism, from locals as well as their growing Muslim population - such as Britain, France, Sweden and Belgium. For some reason, many Germans connect well and sympathize with Israelis. Antisemitism is still there of course, but only in isolated incidents, and to the German government's credit, they deal with it effectively. Even Germany's Muslims, it seems, are not as hateful toward Israelis as those in other parts of Europe. Well, I hope I'm not wrong on all this. I'd love to have friends from Germany, especially German chicks who are quite hot I hear. ;)
2. Tja
Juergen Raab ,   Santiago, Chile   (11.07.09)
I am German running a hostel in Chile. There are plenty of young Israelis travelling in this country. And I would like to ask you to use toilets properly. After you guys is always dirty. I do not why. If you do not know how to use WC - just ask the cleaner. And respect the night hours. shalom
3. Do the German Civilians deserve this?
Alex ,   USA   (11.07.09)
The german civilians that had little or nothing to do with the war. German civilians that are sympathetic to Jewish, and in general, human struggles. Several generations that had never seen the Third Reich in action... Some of the most accepting, pro-Semitic people I know are german nationals. A Unified germany would pose NO risk to the worlds Jewry. Germany is quick to condemn any political leader who denies the holocaust. They realize what they have done, and they've seen how backwards fascism is.
4. Germany's track record
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.07.09)
... does give rise to cause for concern. In 1870, Bismarck unified the disparate German provinces, and the Paris Commune resulted. In 1914, Germany and Prussia rallied round their Austrian cousins, and World War I ensued. We all know what Adolf Hitler (may his be cursed through all eternity) set out to achieve, and unifying Germany was an essential first step. So .... the jury's not back yet on the implications of a unified Germany. Personally, I have always felt that it is something beyond the control of mere mortals. Virtually every country on the face of the earth is thought of in the feminine. A soft, nurturing image. The only exceptions are Germany -- the Fatherland -- and Serbia. I really do think that that has made all the difference.
5. germany is iran's largest trading partner & has refused
debra ,   usa   (11.07.09)
israel's requests to stop trading with iran. iran is israel's most dangerous enemy. the krauts know this. this is the same old germany--jews be damned.
6. Sarah 4
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.07.09)
The Paris commune did'nt result from the German unification , but from the defeat of the war against Germany , war INITIated by France . What has "thought of in feminine" to do with this ? In French it's feminine too . So what's in a name ? You always show your blind hatred , sad .
7. To: Charles at No. 6
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.07.09)
No, Charles, Germany instigated the Franco-Prussian War of 1870. Get your facts straight. A feminine image, Charles, gives rise to "mother country," "mother tongue," and other soft, nurturing, warm and gentle images. A masculine image, Charles, gives rise to "fatherland," with its attendant concepts of duty, honor and war. You don't know me at all, therefore it is truly inappropriate for you to comment upon what you think I might hate. My posts are invariably clear and articulate. It is not for you to assume the emotions that lie behind them, okay? That's simple common courtesy. You cannot know what is in my mind or what drives my thought processes, so stop assuming that you do.
8. #2-German youth hostelier-Do U know about Freud Anal Phase
Alan ,   SA   (11.07.09)
in Israelis-This is serious deep Psychology...The child who wants to fight takes pleasure in excreting maliciously, perhaps just before or just after being placed on the toilet. If the parents are too lenient and the child manages to derive pleasure and success from this expulsion, it will result in the formation of an anal expulsive character. This character is generally messy, disorganized, reckless, careless, and defiant.
9. YOU ARE DECEIVING YOURSELVES !!!.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Srbia.   (11.07.09)
“Many people realized that with the fall of the Berlin wall, World War II was well and truly over”, Nathan Sznaider, Professor of Sociology at the Academic College of Tel Aviv-Jaffa recalled. IT IS ONLY SHIFTING TO THE WORLD WAR 3. “You could sense a certain enthusiasm about the end of the GDR,” says Prof. Moshe Zimmermann, director of the Koebner Center in Jerusalem. “But there was also fear that a Fourth Reich in the heart of Europe might emerge.” IT IS AND IS CALLED EU. DANIEL 9. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." FURTHER - German-Israeli publicist Lea Fleischmann even accused Germany of taking advantage of the event to make the world forget the atrocities it committed in World War II and finally achieve the "Endsieg" (ultimate victory). YOU WILL SOON SEE GERMANY RISE ITS UGLY FACE AGAIN, WHEN THE WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS COMENCING. In a recent poll of the Koebner institute, 20 % of the Israeli population said that they considered the German people to be the same as in 1945,” Zimmerman says. "In the 1980s it was 40-45 %, so it is changing, THE ISRAELI PUBLIC ARE DECEIVING THEMSELVES. AS SOON AS GERMANY WAS UNIFIED, THEY BEGAN THER FORMER IMPREALISTIC POLITICS IN THE BALKANS, CARVING UPP YUGOSLAVIA. WHEN THE WAR COMENCES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, YOU WILL SE GERMAY ON THE MARCH, AND SUPPORTING HER OLD ALLIED, AUSTRIA,HUNGARY AND CROATIA, GOING FOR PREY TO TAKE PARTS OF FORMER YUGOSLAVIA. AND IF THE US DO NOT CHANGE ITS POLICY VISAVI SERBIA, THOSE NATIONS WILL WIN THE 1st AND 2nd WORLD WARS NOW, AND ALL THE SACRIFICES OF THE WESTERN POWERS, DURING THE LAST WORLDWARS WILL BE LOST. Arn-Orao.
10. TALKBACK NUMBER 4.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Srbia.   (11.07.09)
A FULLY AGREE ON THAT, THOUGH I WANT TO ADD, GERMANY IS ON THE EVIL SIDE, AND, SERBIA IS ON THE GOD AND GODLY SIDE. YOY WILL SEE THIS IN THE FUTURE. SERBIA AND ITS PEOPLE, IS CHOSEN BY YEHOWAH, TO BE THE WARRIORHORSE OF JEHOWAH, FOR HIS PURPOSES AGINST THE EVIL POWERS IN THE WORLD. THUS - Daniel 12 1"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that same time. And at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one who shall be found written in the book. AND THUS - Revelation 6 1And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder, one of the four living beings saying, "Come and see!" 2And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him, and he went forth conquering and to conquer. YUGOSLAVIA=READ SERBIA - http://www.ourchurch.com/view/?pageID=239460 TIMES IS APPROACHING - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSATpx7uzk&feature=related GOD BLESS THEE SARAH !!!. Arn-Orao
11. germany is one of the least antisemitic places in europe
rg ,   jerusalem   (11.07.09)
Especially in berlin, one of the few places in europe that israelis are loved and accepted. Blaming the germans just ignores the fact that anyone could have perpetrated the holocaust crimes - antisemitism was not unique to germany, and nowadays they are far more aware of it than most other european countries.
12. EXCUSE ME!
paul bass ,   ny   (11.07.09)
but is Israel not purchasing nuclear capable submarines from Germany. so can we cut the prophecy crap. as far as German trade with iran, can you say iran contra.. or is that ancient history
13. 11rg: Germany was one of the least anti-semetic places
Rivkah   (11.07.09)
in the opinion of German Jews who prospered there before WWII which is one reason they did not flee except for a few who saw what was coming. Jews is Germany were treated well before WWII compared to Jews in Poland who were more familiar with anti-semitism and hatred and stayed in Poland inspite of the hazards. In ONE day Jews in Germany lost their citizenship and freedoms. Then, too late, they realized Germans are brilliant at being two-faced. I have learned that even in America: watch out for Germans who smile and pretend to be friends when they slander, libel and perjure you when you least expect it, then laugh about the harm they have caused to the innocent. Germany is entering the Fourth Reich without a shot being fired. When they get control of nuclear weapons in Europe they will use them. Then it will be too late to stop the enslavement and death camps for Christians and Jews just like in WWII Europe. Twice as many Christians were martyred as Jews. So where is the Christian homeland? Lebanon. The radical Muslims have destroyed that refuge. They will try to destroy Israel, too. And Germany with its alliance to Iran will help them. Who else would Gomer inEzekiel's chapter 38 prophecies be? The Wolfpack Fouth Reich is rising and is almost upon the unwary who should not have signed the Lisbon Treaty that makes a Fourth Reich possible. Fools. Ireland and the Czech Republic were the last to sign. Now hope is gone. Jews and Christians should leave Europe now or be slaughtered in WWIII until Germany is destroyed so that it never rises again and will be one of the least among nations in the Kingdom of the Messiah.
14. #7
Radka ,   Athens, Greece   (11.07.09)
I don't get you. The image of Germany is Germania -- a woman (unlike Uncle Sam). You could argue that there's also the German Michel, but I doubt the image of a sleepy bloke in his nightshirt would be the perfect example of aggresive patriarchy or whatever. Also, the world for the homeland in Greek is also "Fatherland". May I have a list of the common traits we have with the Germans?
15. # 7 & # 13
rick   (11.07.09)
Sarah, in german it´s mother tongue (muttersprache), too. What´s the female equivalent to fatherland used in the states? and Rivkah, the new FM discussed the withdraw of the last american atomic rockets from germany. the refitting with pershing II was a big issue & the rise of the "peace movement", it was the main reason the coalition of labour & liberals crumbled. still today the majority is even against a civil nuclear program. to talk about a german control of nuclear weapons in europe is not just without substance, its ridiculous.
16. To: No. 2 - Second Attempt
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.08.09)
Visiting family in Colonia Dignidad, were you, when you decided to become a janitor at a hostel? How nice.
17. Germans a different species altogether.
cas reader   (11.08.09)
I have travelled many times to Germany, and have followed German politics. I can say for sure that Germany is currently probably the safest place to be for Jews in Europe. Germans are very conscious how they treat foreigners and especially Jews because of Germany's past history in WW2. That said, I do believe that this so-called kindness towards foreigners (especially non-white) and Jews is ' forced ' as the spirit of anti-Semitism is still very much in the heart of most Germans. No, I do not see Germans as a threat anymore but I would not embrace them fully either. Deutschland ist immer Deutschland.
18. NUMBER 13 !!!.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Srbia.   (11.08.09)
. Who else would Gomer inEzekiel's chapter 38 prophecies be? GOMER IS, GUMRU or CUMRU, THE GAELIC NAME OF WALES IN GREAT BRITTONY. Arn-Orao.
19. bla bla bla people forget that communism
ghostq   (11.08.09)
or extreme left is anisemetic and as bad as natzism russia didn't publisized it but many jews were send gulags or never been seen again, even trotzky family were assasined in a very crul way, hitler started in the early stage of his career as communist suporter. today natzism is not Germany related you can find it anywhere even in the USA. things change since WW2. and finally it's easy to blame Germany while other countries were as much guilty.
20. The past is the future if we don't refute sin
Josh   (11.08.09)
With radical Muslims talking about another anihilation and the level of behavior and adherance to real Torah, ignoring the past could prove an expensive mistake. Torah has no expiration date.
21. #1 Exactly!
Josh   (11.08.09)
22. To Sarah B
Alex ,   USA   (11.08.09)
Germany had never shown outright anti-semitism until Hitler and the Fascists took rise. Russia had thrown government sponsored Pogroms for years before the WWs. And yet we have no intentions of splitting Russia up... And Germany, is regarded as the Fatherland, and the german langauge is regarded as the Mother tongue. Germans are extremely tolerant. When I tell a german I am jewish, one of the first things they say is, that they are sorry for the mistakes of their Grandfathers. Modern Germans do not deserve disunity.
23. To: Alex at No. 22
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.08.09)
Your statement that "Germany had never shown outright anti-Semitism until ...." is patently absurd. Have you any idea, for example, what happened to Jews living in Germany during the time of the Crusades and in the Middle Ages? Do you know what happened to Jews in Germany during the Bubonic Plague outbreaks? http://www.mnstate.edu/shoptaug/AntiFrames.htm http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-urban-f04.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Europe_(Middle_Ages) The Germans have historically shown themselves to be easily drawn under the spell of charismatic leaders. A unified Germany, coupled with an extremely malevolent charismatic leader, has spelled disaster for the Jews in Germany on many occasions. Do not delude yourself into thinking it could not happen again. Add economic woes into the mix, and traditional anti-Semitism comes boiling to the surface.
24. 18Arn-Orao,Sweden-Serbia: There are many possibilities for
Rivkah   (11.08.09)
Gomer, but not only the name has to fit. If Britain falls to the Islamics, then certainly it would become more anti-semitic than it is. There are those who believe the England part of Britain will fall in a day or in a night to Islamics and that Prince Charles has secretly converted to Islam. But look at the nations in Ezekiel chapter 38 that are allied with Gomer. They are mostly Islamic. So, unless Britain becomes Islamic, it is not likely to be Gomer. But the red dragon symbol of Wales is scary. Britain also has nuclear weapons and has not used them pre-emptorily nor discussed that possibility while General Klaus Naumann of Germany has said he believes in pre-emptive strikes. Germany is more an ally to Iran and Islamic nations currently and historically than Britain which is hated by Islamic nations for their colonial days in the Middle East.
25. 19 ghostq: Churches were burned down in Soviet Russia, but
Rivkah   (11.08.09)
few synagogues were burned down according to Russian Messianic Jewish emigrants to America I have talked to. They said the communists were more tolerant of Jews than of Christians. The Russian Orthodox Tzars of Russia persecuted the Jews so much that many left the country which was America's gain and Russia's loss of blessings. Nazi or Fascism is harder on Jews than communism, but both are horrible forms of government. But, emigrants from former communist countries say there is little or no crime because of the harsh controls under communism. In America,there is a lot of crime, so much that there is a higher imprisonment rate as a percentage of the population than in Russia under the communists or Red China. Shocking? Americans are brainwashed to think they have a better life when it is worse in some ways than communism. I dread communisim in America, but what America has is pretty awful too.
26. TALKBACK 22.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Orao.   (11.08.09)
-GERMANY GERMANY ABOVE ALL - ABOVE ALL IN THE WORLD- !!!. THIS WAS THE GERMAN NATIONAL ANTHEM, AND NATIONAL SPIRIT AND PERSONALITY. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied YOU CAN NOT BUILD A NATIONAL CONSCIOUSSNESS ON THAT SLOGAN, IF IT IS NOT ALREADY THERE IN THE MIND AND OPPINION OF THE PEOPLE. THIS MINDSET COULD EASILY BE COLLECTED AND UNIFIED, BEACUSE HUMANLY TO SPEAK, BY COMPARISON - -IT WAS THE TRUTH, GERMANY HAD THAT CAPACITY AND THEY STOD ABOVE ALL IN THE WORLD- !!!. BUT THE HUMAN PERSONALITY IN GERMANY, FELT CHALLENGED BY THE PEOPLE OF JEHOWAH, THEY WHERE JEALOUS, (A SPIRITUAL DEATH-SIN), HOW COULD SUCH A LOWLY FILTHY PEOPLE AS THE JEWS, BY GOD(JEHOWAH ), BEE SEEN AS THE HEAD AND NOT THE TEIL. IT IS THE OLD STORY OF KAIN BEING JEALOUS AT HIS BROTHER ABEL. I KAIN IS BETTER THAN ABEL, (ACCORDING TO MY OWN OPPINION AND ESTIMATES), WE THE GERMANS ARE BETTER THAN THE JEWS, WE ARE THE HEAD, THEY ARE NOTHING. AND BESIDES OUR( FALSE ) CHRISTIAN TEACHER , MARTIN LUTHER HAS TOLD US THE TRUTH ABOUT THE JEWS, THEY ARE, -GOD-MURDERERS-, (JESUS) THEY DESERVE NOTHING BUT DEATH. THIS OPPINION HAS FLOURISHED FOR CENTURIES AND MILLENIUMS IN GERMANY AND EUROPA, AND WAS COLLECTED IN THE NAZIS. AN INDIVIDUALISTIC NATIONAL SOCIALISM , SEEING THEMSELVES AS, -DAS HERRENFOLK-!!! AND THE DEFEAT IN THE FIRST WORLD WAR, ADDED A WOUND TO THEIR NATIONAL PRIDE, SINCE GERMANY WAS NOT DEFEATHED MILITARILY. AND OF COURSE, THE JEWS WAS TO BLAME. MAKE NO MISSTAKE, THIS NATIONAL CONCIOUS OF GERMANY AS ABOVE, ARE JUST UNDER THE SURFACE, OF THE GERMAN NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS, AND CAN EASILY BE COLLECTED FROM THERE AGAIN. IF HISTRORICAL NATIONAL SINS CAN BE DISREGARDED, AS THE SUBCONSCIOUS OF AN INDIVIDUAL, THEIR PRIDE AND HAUGHTINESS WILL ARISE AGAIN. IT IS NO WONDER THAT THE SYMBOL OF GERMANY IN MYTHOLOGY IS - -THE WILD BOAR - !!!., THAT IS ALSO TRUE ABOUT THEIR NATIONAL PERSONALITY, AND NOBODY DEFEAT A WILD BOAR. Arn-Orao.
27. NUMBER 24.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Orao.   (11.08.09)
GREAT BRITTAIN, WILL IN THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF JEHOWAH, FACE CIVIL WAR, BETWEEN, THE KELTS AND, THE ANGLO-SAXONS. THIS HAS NOTHING WITH ISLAM TO DO. THE ISLAMIC NATIONS IN EZEKIEL 38., IS - TUBAL=SIBERIA. PERSIA=IRAN,LIBYA, AND THEIR ENEMIES, SABA=YEMEN.DEDAN=SAUDI-ARABIA. THAT IS THE ONLY ISLAMIC PEOPLES MENTIONED. FURTHER - 3And the sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz and Riphath and Togarmah. GOMER IS THE FOREFATHER OF ALL PEOPLES OF GERMAN ORIGIN. ASKENAS(GOTIC),RIPHAT(KELTIC),TOGARMAH(SLAVIC). RIPHAT=(RIP)HAT=HATTI=HETITT. THE HETTIT KINGDOM WHERE CALLET - AMORRU - BY THE ARMENIANS(TOGARMAH), THEY ARE ALSO KNOWN AS THE - -AMORITES - LIVING IN -THE PROMISED LAND BEFORE THE ISAELI LANDTAKE. THEY WHERE IN HISTORY CALLED - -GOMERIANS,KIMERIANS,CIMERIANS, THEY HAD TAKEN THE NAME OF THEIR FATHER GOMER, THE HETITT KINGDOM WAS CRUSHED BY THE - -SEAPEOPLE-, THE GRECIAN PEOPLE LIVING IN WESTERN TODAYS TURKEY. THE GOMERIANS EMIGRATED NORTH AND WESTWARD, AND CAN BE TRACKED BY THEIR NAME - KIMMERIANS SEA(BLACK SEA), KIMMERIAN PENINSULA(DENMARK), SIMRISEHAMN(A TOWN IN SWEDEN), AND, GUMRU/CUMRU or WALES. THEIR NAME -RIPHAT or DIPAHAT- ARE ALSO FOUND IN THE KELTIC STATE OF (T)RAETSIA,TRESHDA=TRIESTE and ISTRIA. THE GOTIC GERMANS/AZKENASIM/SKOLOTS/SKYTIANS, CAME SOM 1000 YEARS LATER THAN THE GOMERIANS TO WESTERN EUROPA, THAT IS, TO TODAYS GERMANY(NORTH and CENTRAL former WEST-GERMANY), DENMARK,SWEDEN,NORWAY.ICELAND/HOLLAND AND EASTERN PART OF GREAT BRITTAIN. GOMER IS THE KELTIC GERMANS OF GREAT BRITTAIN AND IRELAND. THEIR FIGHT IS NOT AGAINST ISRAEL, BUT A FIGHT FOR THEIR PEOPLES INDEPENDENCE AND LAND, FROM THE RULE OF ANGLO-SAXONS. Arn-Orao.
28. Funnily enough
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.08.09)
The very first thing enacted by the newly-"unified" Reichtstag -- oops, Bundestag -- was to make "Deutschland, Deutschland, uber alles" the national anthem of Germany. This despite the fact that the Allies had banned that vile song, and its words. What does that tell you? Germany should remain subjugated for the rest of eternity. It has proven itself, and the proof, quite frankly, defies human comprehension and decency. I'm not prepared to take the risk. We know full well the despicable crimes that Germany is capable of committing. Are they worth a second chance? I don't think so.
29. We are just humans like anybody else..
David ,   Köln, Germany   (11.10.09)
@Sarah B, Arn-Orao, deabra.. Well, what you guys wanna tell us all in all? We guys are monsters? Germans are the evil species on this planet, having nothing else to do than bringing harm over the world and especially over jews throughout the centuries? You think in WorldWar 2 all germans were cimrinals? My grandfather lost his leg in WW2 and 2 brothers. My other grandpa never came back. Just an info.. We germans regrett all of this sad period of history. Im sure I thought as often on "I had killed Hitler with a headshot" as you, maybe even more often than you..what you guys want more of us? I have not lived to this time. Have you? And my parents also have not lived to this times. I dont know any person here anymore have experienced WWII, because we are all new generations. And I guess 1:3 of all people here are immigrated from someone else, Im a native born german and guys like me become really rare here, but thats ok! Germans are real pacifists now. We hate war. Now its like the UN, Nato or the USA apply pressure to Germany all the time to send more soldiers for example into afghanistan, but the people here hate war and protest.. You also forget about all the good purposes Germany has followed the last 50 years. We support and pay the half world, we support also Israel. No countrys has a real clean slate! Also Israel has none..Nevertheless Im kind of a fan of israel and maybe I will visit it one day, like many other countrys on my list.. Btw germans are not only export world champions we are also travel world champions. People of no other country travel as much as the germans through the world and often also stay in those places to life there..
30. David , 29
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.10.09)
There are hatefull people who will accuse you for everything your ancestors did . Some have even never been in Germany , and look only at this black period in our common history to condemn you . The first time i was in Germany was in 1955 . When i saw people aged around 30 years , i asked myself : what has this guy done , maybe that he even murdered my family members . I have seen the desolate places in your town then too . Today's Germans , no more as today's Spaniards or others , can be hold accountable for the crimes comitted by their ancestors years or centuries ago . We have to remember , people have to know what happened and deniers have to be punished . But we may not accuse anybody for the crimes comitted by grand , grand grand parents or farther away family members . As someone who lost many family members , i may say it .
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