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US: 3 Israelis arrested for mail fraud
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Published: 07.11.09, 11:47
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1. do we really swindle more than anyone else?
ronen   (11.07.09)
is this a pathology of ours? if so than please lets leave the yanks alone. not like we got that many friends anyway. why not steal from the ruskies or the europeans instead?
2. To: Ronen at No. 1
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.07.09)
No, we do not, and we probably do considerably less swindling than most. But a crime is a crime, and criminals do need to be brought to justice. Viewed on an international scale, the possibilities are endless. We can start with Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hizbollah .... oh dear. If we prosecuted THEIR crimes to the fullest, the hangman would be the busiest individual in the world.
3. To #1
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (11.07.09)
Look at it this way: If it weren't unusual, it wouldn't make the news.
4. Only Politicians in US can do this
Marcel ,   Florida   (11.07.09)
iF YOU WANT TO SWINDLE PEOPLE AND STEAL MILLIONS YOU HAVE TO RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE AND THEN YOU ARE PROTECTED BY THE CORRUPT SYSTEM. These Israelis' got caught because they stepped on the wrong toes,most likely the mother of a senator.
5. #2 Sarah B, New York / Saviyon
(11.07.09)
When God created swindling he had you in mind.
6. # 3
Faith ,   Israel   (11.07.09)
You can't exactly compare this criminal act to acts of terror by terrorist organizations. And anyway- Aren't we supposed to be on higher level than that? Actually, I think Israelis have a pretty bad reputation of being wheeler dealers, and have to disagree with you. I speak from experience, although I live in Israel and not the States.
8. To #6
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (11.07.09)
I did not compare the two, but spoke only of the subject at hand. Although I'm not Jewish, I had young guests from Israel last year, whom I had only known over the i'net, but who were the most polite, considerate and honest people I had met in a long time. I would trust them with my life, my money, my house and everything in it. I simply refuse to hang everybody on the same clotheline. After all, wasn't God willing to spare Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of a few decent people?
9. What Another Israeli Crook?
World Citizen ,   the world   (11.07.09)
It seems that every day a criminal or spy for Israel is being arrested in America. Today its these three. Last week it was the Jewish guy that worked with classified materials for the US government. What was his name Nozzete? I think that was him. Then there was the US navy petty officer, Ariel Weisman on the attack class submarine that was arrested several years ago for transferring sensitive data to an "unnamed foreign government" (when they won't name the government that's US politician code for Israel). He's and is doing 20 years in a US brig right now. Then you have the two from AIPAC involved with Larry Franklin, Rosen and Weiss?. Franklin got a prison sentence but they managed to get off because of the Jewish lobby. Now Bernie Madoff wasn't an Israeli perse but I do wonder if a lot of the money is stole isn't sitting in Israeli banks. The same goes for Andy Fastow of Enron. He was big on spreading money around to Jewish charities in America. He's in jail right now. Richard Fuld of Lehman Brothers isn't in jail but in my opinion, he should be. Then there was Mikael Milken and Ivan Boeski of junk bond fame. These guys are as "kosher" as a Jewish bagel. Then there are that Jewish from NYC running that so-called kosher meat packing plant in Iowa. I think they are charged with any number of labor and forgery charges. And there are more but ynetnew.com doesn't allow more than 4000 characters per post and I doubt they will publish this anyway. They're kin of sensitive about the truth.
10. Correction: my talkback # 6 was meant for # 2
Faith ,   Israel   (11.07.09)
11. Jewish guilt and ethicality
shrinkDave ,   Miami USA   (11.07.09)
The difference between Jews and "them" can be seen in most of the posts here. "We" feel guilty and concerned about our "tribe" commiting crime. Who else would express guilt and concern for one's tribe when a tribal member misbehaves? "We" should understand that we are no better or worse, on any level, than anyone else; that is, we are just another dumb tribe of humans, acting and doing dumb human things.
12. To: No. 9
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.07.09)
There appear to be no shortage of crooks, drug dealers, murderers and the like in Islamic countries. They certainly send enough to the headsman and the hangman and guess what? None are Jewish. Surprise, surprise. Care to do a head count of terrorist murderers that call the Middle East their home? If you play out the demographics, you will find that all are either Moslem or Arab (some Christian Arabs, too). Same thing in the Philippines, where Christian missionaries have been slaughtered by Moslem terrorists. I brook no tolerance from criminals of any kind, but non-violent criminals are not nearly as bad as murderers, are they?
13. # 12
Faith ,   Israel   (11.07.09)
Sarah- You keep on making this comparison of regular crime to war crimes and terror crimes, and there is no comparison. But if on the subject of terrorism, well I would certainly call Yitkchak Rabin's murderer a Jewish terrorist, and just recently in the news here, another Jew committing acts of outright terror. And as far as non-violent criminal acts, from what has been happening here of late, those same "non violent" Israeli criminals who start out with a bit of "innocent" money laundering and theft, in Israel and abroad, soon turn to more devious ways of crime.
14. To: Faith at No. 13
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.07.09)
I would certainly call the murderer of a Rabin a terrorist, as well. As is Baruch Goldstein. I do distinguish between war criminals and ordinary thugs. I also distinguish between violent and nonviolent criminals. Murder is a far cry from extortion, after all, at least where I come from. I grant you that in Moslem and Arab countries, the lines are considerably more blurred. You are free to draw distinctions wherever you like. Did you have a particular point you wished to convey in your post, or was it your intend to set forth an assortment of unconnected and convoluted statements?
15. Great! As if there wasn't enough anti-Semitism...
(11.07.09)
Madoff and New Jersey organ mafia rabbis already fed anti-Semitic propaganda. As if that wasn't enough, now we have to handle Israeli made criminals who are active in the US, Europe, elsewhere.
16. # 14
Faith ,   Israel   (11.07.09)
So sorry if my comments caused you to feel that what I said was unconnected and convulted, just because I do not agree with your opinon. Where I come from, that's called being nasty.
17. Israelis & "Cominbina"
Abir ,   Chicago, IL   (11.07.09)
One of the first words one learns in Israel is "Combina." In fact, some of the biggest experts of this discipline reside in Israel, and export it everywhere else. My son who lives in NJ had a similar problem, where he needed a locksmith, and these guys tried the same trick. Only after he spoke to them in Hebrew, they eventually relented. Similar themes can be found with the moving companies and some other businesses. Then when they are caught, they blame everyone as being anti-Semitic. Just because "Combina" works in Israel, does not mean it can be turned into a successful export item.
18. Faith #6, #13, #16
Marco ,   Spain   (11.07.09)
Respect is something you earn. You most certainly earned my respect!
19. 10 to 1 they are sephardim
AJ ,   Tel Aviv   (11.07.09)
Long-fingered kombinatorim - most likely mizrahim. The only difference between them and the ashkenaz crooks is that the ashkenaz would have been working in terms of tens of millions of dollars, not thousands, and would probably not have been caught. Crooks all of them.
20. Israelis eclipsing Nigerians
Cynical ,   Tel Aviv   (11.07.09)
as a nation of thieves and crooks.
21. To # 9 Citizen of the Cave World
Semper Fi! ,   San Diego, USA   (11.07.09)
I've noticed your lame talkbacks attacking as much as you can, moron. I bet like other talkbackers that don't have even the courage to sign with an alias that you're a supporter or a member of the "religion of peace" In your analysis you just forgot to point out, the arab/palestinian/jordanian coward and traitor that screaming to your bloody God massacred 13 of our soldiers this week, how do you compare this to a little money laundering issue, stupid? Or the muslim who killed several officers in 1993, or the arab who killed Bob Kennedy, or the murderers, rapists and robbers muslims that infest ourt jails. Look in your mirror, moron, and you will the filth that we all american hate and would like to get rid of it...One more year and things will go very tricky for you and your ilk....You won't see this words in the lame mainstream media in the USA or Eurabia, but something is waking up and we will rid the humanity of the pest you represent.
22. To: No. 16
Sarah B ,   New York / Saviyon   (11.07.09)
Really? Where I come from it's called throwing garbage against the wall in the hopes that something sticks. Take a class in writing concisely.
23. Israeli Movers in US Use this Gimmick...
Neil Kuchinsky ,   Colonial Heights, US   (11.08.09)
Regrettably, I didn't listen when I was warned about this...there is a habit among many Israeli moving companies in the US to give you a low-ball bid for moving your household contents, then, upon arrival, demanding another $500 or more for made-up extras before unloading the truck. How naive we American Jews can be about some of our Israeli brothers.
24. Thieves
Bob ,   Florida, USA   (11.08.09)
I have seen how these guys operate. Believe me, you would not want them in your home or anywhere near your family. They have no moral direction whatsoever.
25. oh come on....
Leonard ,   LA-usa   (11.08.09)
Like, only Jews do this? I can point to a lot worst than this and they arn't Jews. This sounds political to me for some reason. Why? Jews are not the only ones that do business as such and then it's only 3 persons or maybe 4. A Jew hater must have wrote this 1st artical....
26. No. 13 Faith
NYC Girl   (11.08.09)
What you fail to realize is the fact that you can actually name two terrorists who happened to be Jews indicates how few there are. Now, do you care to name all the terrorists who happen to be Muslims?
27. its not about race or religion
EJNYC175 ,   New York   (11.09.09)
This is about 3 indiviuals who weren't only scaming americans but scamming their fellow countrymen. They decieved other israelis to come to america and work as locksmith and use these deceptive practices. They tell them the schemes are legal and if they ever get into hot water they move the technician from one state to the next. These indiviuals scammed thousands of americans, some who worked for them and the others that relied on them in a desperate time, when they were locked out of their car/house. They scammed hundreds of israelis who asked them for help and work and now some of them have ended up in america with no knowledge of the land, language, and formal training in anything other than running fraudulant locksmith practices.
28. The law is the law
Tom ,   Berkeley   (11.10.09)
This is not a racial issue nor one of religion. It's an issue of predatory tactics that are unethical. There are millions of people who have been swindled by this scheme, not just by Isreali's nor locksmiths. It is a major problem in the locksmith industry and it's about time something was done about it. Google the words locksmith scam video and watch some of the numerous news stories from all over the US. Ask yourself how would I feel if your mother or your grandmother, on fixed income, was intimidated into paying as much as ten times the industry norm for service.
29. Israeli scam artists
Mike Bronzell ,   Oaklawn IL   (01.19.10)
In regards to whose toes they stepped on. They were my toes. I am a single father who supported my kids thru locksmithing. I have 20 years in the business and consider myself a good knowledgable locksmith. Things used to be ok and me and my kids made ends meet. When business took a dive I discovered that there were fraudulant locksmith listings using false addresses that had phone #s ring in newyork. They were lowballing the prices and stucturing there listings so they would get all the calls thru deception. I spent alot of my time looking into this situation and discovered that this was a nationwide scam and it was using Israeli forieners. Ynet originally did a story on this company when it was called priceline locksmith called Israeli locksmith company rips off chicago consumers. This company, dependable lock and its current owner David Peer filed a lawsuit against me for one million dollars and costs alledging a conspiracy to deprive them of a license in the state of illiinois. I have been Dismissed from the lawsuit by a federal judge. It is my belief that this was an attempt to shut me up. Davis peers lawyer on the phone before I retained an attorney Gleefully told me he he was going to take everything I owned right after he asked how old my two boys were. It bothers me when people turn this into an anti semitism type of arguement. This is not about jews, anti semetic remarks, etc. It is about phony scam locksmith companys that have spread across the nation. They do seem to be run by Israelis. Organized crime can come from anywhere or any etnic group. This one happens to be Israeli and they are using Israeli visiters to work the scheme. some of them are innocent as to what is really going on where others are ruthless thugs that will gladly steal a senior citizens prescription money by increasing the price as the notorious case of Ray Miller from streamwood il who was charged 1700.00 for a lockout of his home by this company under is former name of priceline locksmith. Lets not turn this into a etnic debate. keep it to what it is, a criminal enterprise that is being stuctured by Israelis. Look as them as criminals from Israel not as Israelis. There are criminals everywhere and from all ethnic groups. Protect the honor and reputation of the Israeli homeland not by sweeping this under the rug but by doing what you can to stop these thugs dead in their tracks.
30. They stepped on my toes!!!
mike ,   chicago usa   (02.21.11)
Marcel said :"These Israelis' got caught because they stepped on the wrong toes,most likely the mother of a senator." They stepped on the toes of a real locksmith. They even sued me for one million dollars. (dismissed). The fact Is these Are just the pawns that were arrested. The kings and queens are still playing the game under new names. Possibly now called Run Local Locksmith. They advertise 19.00 locksmith service which of course is not really true. Since it has been brought up why are there so many Israeli con games going on in this country. Movers, flowers, carpet cleaning, mall kiosks, Locksmiths, Tow trucks and more. Why are they almost immune from getting caught. These cons are very large an at a level of organized crime. I ask Israel to reign in on its criminal element that is wreaking havoc in this country and others. I'm sure with the smartest intelligence agency in the world They know who the players are. But that might be a financial Boo Boo seeing these scams probably come close to a billion dollars in my guesstimate.
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