Peres to Ynet: Israel, US upset Abbas
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 08.11.09, 08:00
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1. What peace talks Mr. Peres?
Marco ,   Spain   (11.08.09)
With all due respect Mr. Peres, what is the true peace that you are talking about? Is it the peace that includes building settlements on Palestinian land in the West Bank? Is it a peace based on evicting Palestinians and demolishing their homes? What about the theft of Palestinian water resources in the West Bank or the starvation of the men, women and children of Gaza as a result of your inhumane blocade? Is it the peace of apartheid in the West Bank or the peace that involves killing innocent Palestinians for profiteering from Organ trade? Did you read the Goldstone report objectively? Mr. Peres, you left Abbas nothing to show for after 50 years of working for his people. All you did was strengthen the hands of extremist. You do not deserve some one like Abbas who bent over backwards in order to achieve peace. It seems that the Hezbollah example is the only answer to your arrogance. It seems that the Palestinians are left with an option based on Kassams and intifadas. Sorry Mr. Peres, but you are a hypocrite and you deserve whats coming your way.
2. With all due respect Mr. Peres..
Marco ,   Spain   (11.08.09)
Its none of your business whether Abbas runs for president or not. This is an entirely Palestinian matter. Your business is to prevent Israel from actions that makes the U.N certify it as a war criminal state.
3. Shouldn't we be upset instead....? Abbas was offered a state
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.08.09)
on a silver platter, according to him in an interview with the Washington Post. Mr. Ehud Olmert, at that time Israel's Prime Minister, made an offer of transferring - not returning, this nothing was taken from anyone - of 97% of the territory Abbas demanded: "In our meeting Wednesday, Abbas acknowledged that Olmert had shown him a map proposing a Palestinian state on 97 percent of the West Bank -- though he complained that the Israeli leader refused to give him a copy of the plan…. In all, Olmert's peace offer was more generous to the Palestinians than either that of Bush or Bill Clinton; it's almost impossible to imagine Obama, or any Israeli government, going further. Abbas turned it down. 'The gaps were wide,' he said'". (Washington Post, 29 May 2009) In addition, Olmert, in a radio interview in Hebrew, proposed territorial exchange of the remaining 3% of the land. Abbas of course rejected this as well. Question: Who should be upset, therefore? Abbas who is sitting on the fence, talking peace but refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people and refuses to see an agreement as the end of the conflict while being offered all that he CLAIMS he wants, or we, men and women whose life is on the line every single day due to the intransigence of the Muslim-Arabs who will only be pleased and not upset when Israel is annihilated, when all traces of Jewish civilization are erased from the face of earth, especially in this Land, the cradle of our nearly 4,000 years old civilization...??
4. to #1 (giggle) you gave the woman and children
ghostq   (11.08.09)
speach, so funny, and women and children morning to you 2. ;P
5. Well isn't fifty years enough?
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (11.08.09)
There's nearly a half million illegal colonists on Palestinian land. The Palestinians are facing the reality that Israel won't. All those years of pretending to be for peace while building all those colonies outside of Israel changed everything. Now you have one state. Live with it, you wanted it, and you get the Palestinians too; bummer. Maybe you could shunt them over to Jordan and thereby garner a whole new UN crimes against humanity investigation?
6. A deadly game
Eliyahu ,   Yrushalayim   (11.08.09)
The world of make believe is deadly when it is passed off as reality. To conjure up a "palestinian" people, apart from the people that hold the oldest extant document proving ownership of this land i.e. this weeks parasha of Avraham purchasing land to bury Sarah, is the house of cards that continues the bloodshed. Is there a righteous people in the land that can chase their enemies away?
7. resign
colin   (11.08.09)
Peres upset at abbas for threatening to resign AMAZING ONLY PERES AND THE POLITICIANS ASK THE TERRORIST TO STAY ON The israeli population waited for this day that the PLO would brake -up.Let Peres go and mourn his Oslo agreement giving this abbas legallity.
8. Abbas
Arthur   (11.08.09)
Abbas (Abu Mazen) signed the checks financing the Munich Massacre
jj ,   sa/usa   (11.08.09)
Real pressure is need now. Israels taking heat though but really Palestine cant reconcile between fatah and hamas so its not just Israel. The gaza report, the one state solution, the un resoluion condemening settlements, Abbas stepping down, donor money, war, isolation, i mean netanayhu risking alot. He ought to at least save face and start negotiations.
10. Perhaps poster # 1 & 2 should read poster # 3. And if he
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.08.09)
does he will still not be convinced, because it is obvious, he is not interested in peace, for the Palestinians or anyone else; he is interested instead in obsessively, relentlessly, persistently demonize Israel, de-legitimize it. He expects Israel to behave based on standards not expected of any other country. And when this is done without any proportion to Israel's size, both geographic and demographic - a tiny country the size of Wales or Slovenia and just a bit larger the Prince Edwards Island (PEI) in Canada, with only 5.5 million Jews and no natural resources of which to speak - and without any proportion of Israel's importance or lack thereof in world affairs, one begins to smell a stench... Israel is the nation-state of a people, a race; the national home of our people, Jews, within and without it. It is probably the greatest Jewish creation of the Jewish people during the 20th and 21st centuries. We have done it despite the fact that we came out of the ashes and despite the fact that we have not experienced a single day during the past 62 years of lack of attempt by our Muslim-Arab neighbors to dismantle this creation, to annihilate it. The stench we smell therefore is the one we have been smelling for centuries: racism, anti-Jewish racism. It is time to call the child by its name!
11. peres Israel us upset abbas
Yonatan ,   Jerusalem   (11.08.09)
peres rabin thats all we here peace negotiations peace process abb ass is upset throwing a tantrum and the Israeli president runs to appease poor mahmoud baby please don't go. tears and more tears for whom? for someone who does'nt recognize Israels right to exist, the only reason peres and rabin will be remembered is for the divison they've created in the Jewish nation. so mr president first create peace in the Jewish nation then with the arab nation, ps i don't hear the palestinians begging their president to stay, but then again we won't hear anyone begging you to stay either
12. peres to ynet Israel us upset abbas # 1
Yonatan ,   Jerusalem   (11.08.09)
# 1 marco of spain, I lavish you with compassion and deep understanding, for unknown to you, you are a left over of the arab invasion
13. Compromise NOT In Their Vocabulary
Christy ,   Boston, MA   (11.08.09)
If Israel, the US, and other nations think Abbas should remain, then I hope he does. One thing I've learned by following the various 'peace talks' for many decades is that Israel is the only one who will compromise. The other side doesn't seem to want to. Best example I have is the deal that Pres. Clinton worked out. It was a great deal for the Palestinians. They didn't get all they wanted, but nobody ever does in negotiations. I was STUNNED when Arafat walked away. I just couldn't understand why he just walked away from the best deal the Palestinians are likely to have. Since then I've educated myself and have come to realize that the Palestinians won't compromise. It's their way or NO way. What's disturbing is many leaders on their side have boasted about pushing Israel into the sea and taking Jerusalem as the capitol of their new state. As the Bible says 'They talk about peace, but there is NO peace.'.
14. what is with these crybaby palestinians??
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (11.08.09)
what a bunch of losers they are to cry instead of providing leadership. actually, it seems they prefer to be the eternal victim so they can receive the world's charity/pity. have they no shame?
15. The Presidents house should be in Florida
philip ,   afula,Israel   (11.08.09)
Get the message Shimon, have your tea and cakes at 17:00 hours each day with your guests and shut up. You are past your "sell by date" internalise this and spare us.Realise that your time has long since passed. Fade away into the sunset already.
16. Marco, spot on 100%
Nour ,   Palestine   (11.08.09)
Everything that's to be said you said with utmost clarity. I've always been repulsed by this man who parades himself globally as a diplomat with peace in mind. We all discovered he's a wolf in sheep skin, an apologist for racist and settler-minded Israel. Have you heard of the simple concept that says anyone who does the same thing over and over and expect a different result is insane? Well I think Peres is insane AND a hypocrit as you said.
17. The essence of the Arab Israeli conflict and the way out
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.08.09)
The "settlements" issue is of course an attempt to divert attention from the core issue of the Arab Israeli conflict: The total, consistent and persistent refusal of the Arabs, Palestinian and otherwise, to accept Israel's legitimacy, its right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people. None of the other issues are at the core, either, e.g. "borders and territory", "natural resources", "refugees" or even "Jerusalem". These issues were not there in 1947 when the UN voted to establish a "Jewish state" and an "Arab state" in the Land, yet the Arabs rejected this UN resolution, 181, and instead initiated the 1947-1949 war aimed, by their own admission, at the annihilation of the tiny Jewish state just proclaimed. These issues were not there between the years 1948 and 1967 during which time the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip were Jew-free, "cleansed" by their Arab rulers of all the Jews who had resided there, and yet they did not, or even intended to set up their independent state there. Yet, the Arabs initiated the June 1967 Six-Day War against Israel hoping to accomplish what they couldn't in 1947-49: The total elimination of the UN member state of Israel and with it all elements of Jewish civilization of which Israel is its cradle. To begin to overcome the core predicament the Arab leadership, Palestinian and otherwise, should state clearly, in Arabic, their acceptance of Israel's RIGHT to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people – based on UN resolutions and on the universally accepted right of all peoples to national self-determination and independence - and back up their newly found conviction with a few simple deeds, actions that would demonstrate their change of heart. This will bring with it a sea-change of attitude among Jews, within and without Israel, whose nation-state Israel is, ready to take additional risks towards an accommodation of peaceful coexistence between Arab and Jew, between Jewish Israel and its Arab neighbours, something Jews have been eager, very eager to achieve since the late 19th century. Will the Arabs do so, or will they rather attempt to divert attention from the core issue of the conflict, hoping to bide time and achieve their real goal at some point in the future…?? I for one have ceased to hold much hope thus I propose that since the entire process is based on UN Security Council Resolution 242, let us implement it, as is. 242 has been the basis for two peace agreements between Israel and its Arab neighbors: with Egypt, 30 years ago, and with Jordan, 15 years ago. 242, it must be noted, does not mention at all concepts such as "Palestine", "Palestinians" or "Palestinian state". Indeed, it does not call for the establishment of yet another state between the River and the Sea. It does call for Israel's Defence Forces (IDF) to withdraw from "territories" – not from all of them, mind you!!! – to "secure and recognized boundaries", to be decided through talks with Israel's Arab neighbors, i.e. Egypt and Jordan. Implicit in 242 is the expectation that Egypt will assume control and rule over much of the Gaza Strip while Jordan would do the same over much of the West Bank. Israel, of course, through talks and negotiations, will try to retain certain areas under its rule by way of meeting security, demographic and national interests, e.g. Jordan Valley, blocks of settlements, Jerusalem. This approach, no doubt, will be to the benefit of all but for those seeking to perpetuate the state of war endlessly.
18. to #16 lol Peres suported the gaza withdraw
ghostq   (11.08.09)
and Oslo all your what you say is meaning less.
19. Surprisingly, I actually for once agree with Marco, but only
The Dude   (11.08.09)
on one point. While Marco and Nour do there usual spouting of non-sensical jibber-jabber with no understanding of the geneva & hague conventions, or even remote knowledge of history, and continuing to espouse the anti-semitic blood libel of organ theft from dead bodies (which cannot be used for organ transfers!) which shows how seriously we should take his commentary, there is one point where Marco is indeed correct. It's non of our business as to whether Abbas runs again or not. Maybe there is a small chance a new leader will take the reigns and actually compromise, highly unlikely but could happen... Anyways most people are acting as if Abbas is somehow this good guy. He wrote his doctoral thesis on the basis of denying the holocaust. Just because he is lethargic compared to Hamas in his anti-semitism does not mean he is a better kind of evil. Put simply much of what is happening now is a game of bluff. Does anybody really believe he will declare the peace process a failure? Dismantle the PA? You have got to be kidding me, the amount of money this apparatus (the PA) brings in to so money corrupt people is beyond what many of us can imagine. Put simply the dismantling of the PA means a loss of a guaranteed fortune each year. He is simply playing this game, so all the world leaders give him attention and bribe him with various things to keep him going. And a better point to make is that even if he doesn't quit, what will happen when he dies? (He isn't young anymore) So put simply delaying his retirement is delaying the inevitable. Let him leave so another man can take his place and begin anew the cycle of corruption...the peace process for the sake of the process...
20. Peres
Jay3 ,   ISrael   (11.08.09)
The biggest traitor to Isreal! This disgusting self centred egomaniac, has directly caused the death of thousands of Israeli through his bogus notion that ARabs want peace. He was directly responsible for Rabins murder, and has constantly abused his position as president to push his failed Oslo accords. He also was the one that first created the term "occupied territory" which is a complete lie and has been used against Israel by the Arabs since Oslo. THis disgusting man should be in jail, yet he still to this day gets away with murder! I spit on this kapo! One day he will have to answer to HAshem!
21. Peres should be sacked!
JAy3 ,   ISrael   (11.08.09)
He is a traitor to ISrael and is only interested in feeding his own disgusting ego!
22. Perese and Rabin and the Oslo miscords
Vicky ,   Ashkelon Israel   (11.08.09)
are the reason we are still having this trouble today. They wanted to give the whole of Israel away, they are/were traitors to our country, and had no right to make proposals concerning Israel with out a referendum. Abbas is crying like a baby and trying to make us bend. We are building in ISRAEL proper and not the so called PA territory, so we can do what the heck we like. Marco #1, are you going to blow up more of Spain besides train stations?
23. Marco & Nour , thank you both
Dafer ,   Haifa   (11.08.09)
and please keep up the great work .
24. Abass is first and foremost the head of Fatah. Therefore,
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.08.09)
it should be of interest to those wishing to appreciate what makes him move and on which political basis he does so. The answer is found in the Fatah's platform of August 2009. The Platform that still calls for the annihilation of Israel through acts of violence if necessary - see Sections 17 and 19!!! - explains Abbas's total refusal to accept Israel's right to exist as the nation state of the Jewish people and to accept that a peace agreement will be considered "end of conflict". The end, in the minds of Abbas and his comrades, will come when Israel is no more, annihilated, decimated, driven into the sea with all elements of Jewish civilization of which Israel is its cradle.
25. The Oslo Agreements were born in sin and brought only ...
Ron B. ,   Lod   (11.08.09)
The Oslo Agreements were born in sin and brought only death, pain and sorrow… After the horrible mistakes he commited as a result of his total lack of vision, Peres should keep away of politics and Media. Only a peace process with the acceptance by the Arabs to be resettled in other Arab countries had a chance to bring peace to the region. Financial compensations would be the main reason for the Arabs to accept their resettlement. The best solution for the Arabs would be to leave the borders of “greater Israel,” so that Israel could then annex the West Bank and perhaps Gaza. Advancing this solution, daily, at any occasion, might creat a new perception and bring peace. Any different solution presents a risk of an endless war. For more details:
26. Abbas refused to negociate
Serge ,   Antwerp, Belgium   (11.08.09)
Is it not clear from all those newspaper reports that Abbas refused to negociate with Israel since Nethanyahu got prime minister. According to the French newspaper Le Figaro, without Abbas no peace is possible. When peace is depending on one man, all sacrifices made for peace will be lost.
27. Instead giving all this effort and focusing trying to get
JJ ,   SA/USA   (11.08.09)
Instead giving all this effort and focusing trying to get Bibis government to agree to peace talks they ought to be spending this precious time trying to get him out of office. Peace will come quicker. They ought to already get the hint that he doesnt want to talk or negotiate. So its his choice that hes risking a one state solution, Arab and Muslim backlash, isolation, sanctions, UN resolution condemning settlements, Abbas resignation, PLO dissolves, war in the mideast and bloodshed, donor money, all this will come against him by the end of his term. Hes needs to forced out. Leave him alone and focus all the energy somewhere else.
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (09.01.10)
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