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Lieberman: Radical Islam abusing democracy
Roni Sofer
Published: 09.11.09, 19:21
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1. This Moldovian is wrong,I think radical Islam abusing Islam
Hasan Ahmadov ,   Казань, RUSSIA   (11.09.09)
2. Good on you FM Lieberman ..
ZIONIST JEW ,   ISRAEL   (11.09.09)
To My FM I say:Kudos and bravo for everything you said to the Eurabians. They are living with their eyes tight shut and cannot see the danger lurking.But time will soon come when they awaken to the reality of the Islamists who are given free rein to turn your countries into AN ISLAMISIST ENTITIES. Before I go,please Mr.Lieberman keep the good work,you are doing GREAT. Z.J
3. "Jewish communities in the world are responsible for..Israel
William ,   Israel   (11.09.09)
"Israel is responsible for all Jewish communities in the world, and all the Jewish communities in the world are responsible for the State of Israel." - Lieberman In Jewish scriptures, we do concede that we are all responsible for each other. However, this thought is lost on Western Jews who place their own liberal ideals before other Jews - even other humans - and will distance themselves from Israel in order to be accepted by their enemies, loved by their neighbors. It's a lesson we all need to learn again - not just Jews.
4. 1# And what Islam is doing.......
NOra Tel Aviv   (11.09.09)
.....to stop Radical Islam ?????
5. a strategic threats expert
observer   (11.09.09)
he doesn't know too enough about Jewishness to address Islam. isn't he a Zionist.
6. nothing like radical Islam; only radical Muslims
(11.09.09)
7. Make up for injustice
Chardon Bleu ,   Geneva Switzerland   (11.09.09)
Please stop mixing up anti-Zionism with hatred for Jews. For the neutral observer the problem is not the presence of people of Jewish faith in the Middle East, but the Zionist entreprise and its destructive consequences. This ideology of European origin is a terribly false good idea, and its realization resulted in a foreign body, an alien element - or in medical terms: a malignant cancer - in the political tissue of the Middle East. The outrageous injustice done in its name to the population living between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River before the massive influx of Jewish immigrants, is in no way justified by the atrocities of the holocaust and even less by founding myths invented 2000 - 3000 years earlier! The time has come to seriously question the Balfour Declaration of 1917 as well as the UN resolution of 1947 planning to partiton Palestine, a resolution passed completely against the will of the non-Jewish population in the area and all its neighbours. There can be no solution to the this conflict unless the Zionist ideology is dismantled and true justice is done to the subjugated or expelled non-Jewish inhabitants of the region.
8. I Like Lieberman
Rinda DiLibda   (11.09.09)
I just like him...
9. Israel causing all US, Europe problems in Muslim world
Abe ,   USA   (11.09.09)
Neither US nor Europe had any problems in Muslim world before Israel occupied Palestine and Muslim holy sites
10. 8
Rosie   (11.10.09)
Me too.
11. #7 Make up for injustice?
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (11.10.09)
Wow sounds like you've got a new science over there? Shame you're not referring to the injustices suffered by the Jewish people (from the time we were kicked out of our ancestral home)..too numerous to list here ...and most certainly a catalyst to re-establishing ourselves back in Eretz. Up until then we always prayed towards Jerusalem ...still do! Neutral observers might better start from there.... You're right about one thing though.. and that's the Balfour Declaration ..the reason for you to seriously question it, is because it's a legally binding document that stands to this day.....and refers to far greater landmass than we accepted in the 1947 UN partition plan. As to your referral to Zionism as a European ideology ...wrong.. it never ever left us, just woke up....with a big hand from anti-semitism. We are here to stay.. won't be kicked out easily this time... if at all
12. Denmark the hero?
David   (11.10.09)
Denmark willingly gave itself over to the nazis without putting up any fight. Stop making the country look like some role model when it comes to courage, please. And about radical Islam in Europe: You're one to talk. Israel's problems with aggressive muslims are ten times worse than Europe's.
13. Hey Abe listen here..
ZIONIST JEW ,   ISRAEL   (11.10.09)
But then nor were the Arab/muslims at that time making any problems with their fundemetalism...like 9/11 7/7 Al-qaida, Madrid,Bali,Istambul, even in Saudi (which I don't give a shit anyway) for they have promulgated the present troubles. Also the Philipines...shall I go on Abe the sad man with a one sided view/bias against Israel..HEY ARE YOU A REAL ABE?or Ibo? No troubles before he says:True and yet FULL OF BULLSHIT
14. To #7 The retarded Swiss
ZIONIST JEW ,   ISRAEL   (11.10.09)
Mais bien sure mon cher,all's well with the world over yonder in good ole Switzerland giving us silly advice when they are pandering to the arab/muslim dictatorships with their bulgingbank accounts.En jour, you too will have great problems with the 400.000 muslims who will create havoc.And here you have the audacity to tell us what to do? Stop bleating about Zionism by thinking it came along from Europe. If you pick OUR BIBLE you will see the many times ZION is mentioned in there.We do not have to apologize for this.Just think Judaism= Zionism.You don't approve of it tough. To read your pathetic pronouncement on us Israelis subjugating people:Are you on some prohibitive subsance? Do you aver read/hear that the Israeli Arabs are so comfortable they would not want to live in any Arab countries where their liberty will summarily be QUASHED.You also forgot to mention we have Arab members in the Knesset..Subjugation my derrier! Before I leave let me assure you,we do not need your likes to teach us how to conduct our affairs.We have had 60+years experience in that field having to deal with the jihadists. We had our early pioneers that came to the Holy Land to clear the malaria infested swamps and clean the country and made the desert bloom.This was long before the Balfour declaration was even DREAMED OF. The partition: When the Brits left it was considered we were going to have a good chunk of what is now (jordan)an artificially created country by the brits.Even then the Jews accepted the meagre portion.The arabs refused.There you have it monsieur Bleu. who has no idea what the hell he is talking about
15. to # 9, Abe
Archie ,   USA   (11.10.09)
Abe, You are full of it ! Plain and simple. have you ever read the history of your-so-called-Moslem World ? no you did not period ! so before spewing around your convoluted opinion, please take a little of your time to know some facts.
16. ADD MY NAME -- I ALSO LIKE LIEBERMAN !!
ABRAHAMben JACOB ,   CANADA   (11.10.09)
LIEBERMAN IS PERHAPS MORE LIKED THAN WE WERE ALWAYS LED TO BELIEVE. WE ARE TOLD THAT HE IS TOO RADICAL, AND THAT SOME FOREIGN LEADERS DO NOT LIKE HIM. THOSE FOREIGN LEADERS WILL NOT DETERMINE WHOM ISRAELIS SHOULD LIKE. WE LIKE LIEBERMAN !!
17. I also like Lieberman
Duchess   (11.10.09)
and as for the swiss- well history tells it all. He knows where he can stick it-or maybe he doesn't! Seems quite uneducated about the truth. Judaism=zionism - inseparable- digest that.
18. More Israeli scaremongering...
k1w1 ,   NZ   (11.10.09)
Forever in a day Israel tells everyone what a terrible world it will be if we all don't get involved in their grubby little regional conflicts, forever warning the world of the danger posed by Muslims everywhere, forever harping on about how the world will turn to custard if no one helps them punish and kill Muslims while they carve out a land for themselves. Of course Israel has a right to have their own land, and of course they have an absolute right to defend their land. But this is not a universal problem and, in spite of Israel's constant yapping, the sky wont fall down around our ears if the world cared less about their tribulations. And then we have to put up with twits like Zionist Jew at #13 & 14 jumping up and down and shouting abuse in capital letters at anyone who doesn't support Israel. Or Mark at #11 who would have us believe Israel's problems are a field of science (the conceited arrogance of that is astounding!). And, in the narrow, simplistic world of people like these two, if you don't agree with everything Israel does then you must be on the enemy's side, must be a supporter of the "Axis of Evil". Some of us just wish Israel and the Palastinians and Iran and the rest of the Middle East with their endless petty problems and nastiness was swept away under the carpet - where they all belong...
19. #18..THINKS THE WHOLE WORLD IS AT PEACE EXCEPT FOR ISRAEL ??
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (11.10.09)
#18..PRETENDS THAT THE ONLY PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD ARE CENTERED IN AND AROUND ISRAEL. IT IS ONLY ISRAELI "YAPPING" ABOUT RADICAL ISLAM AND PALS. ARABS WHICH KEEPS HIM AWAKE AT NIGHT #18. NEGLECTS THE REST OF THE PLANET AS THOUGH HARMONY AND PEACE EXIST EVERYWHERE EXCEPT ......AS HE REPEATS IT SO OFTEN .....ISRAEL THE PEOPLE IN THESE FOLLOWING COUNTRIES WOULD STRONGLY DIS-AGREE WITH THIS OVERLY RIPE, AND LONG PAST IT'S " BEST BEFORE DATE " .... KIWI. YOUR CONSTANT COMPLAINTS ARE YOUR PERSONAL COLLECTION OF NARROW FIELD ANTIQUES OR RUBBISH THAT YOU COLLECT, AND YOU TAKE THEM OUT FROM TIME TO TIME TO INDULGE IN THE SPORT THAT YOU DENY OTHERS ........ " YAPPING " ...... THIS IS HOW YOU PUT IT TO OTHERS, BUT YAPPING IS WHAT YOU DO BEST, IT'S YOUR CALLING IN LIFE. NARROW IS HIS VIEW OF THE WORLD ....TUNNEL VISION. HE CARRIES HIS PERSONAL BIAS AND COMPLAINTS AND CLOSES HIS EYES TO SHUT OUT THE EVENTS IN THE REST OF THE PLANET. WHY NOT EXPAND YOUR SMALL PETTY COLLECTION OF COMPLAINTS AND BROADEN YOUR HORIZONS AND DIVERSIFY AND ENLARGE YOUR LITTLE WORLD. TIME TO WAKE UP TO THE OTHER REAL WORLD. CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING LIST OF CONFLICTS , WARS, MURDERS, DEATHS; DARFUR SUDAN, NIGERIA, NORTH KOREA, CHECHNYA AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, BASQUE COUNTRY, IRELAND, COLOMBIA, KASHMIR, SOMALIA CIVIL WAR, PAKISTAN, YEMEN, SENEGAL, CHAD. THE DEMOCRATICE REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO -- OVER 5 MILLION CASUALTIES. ADD THE MEXICAN DRUG WARS, THE TRANS SAHARA, CHAD CIVIL WAR, NORTH WEST PAKISTAN, SA'DAH CONFLICT IN YEMEN. OH, YOU MUST HAVE OVERLOOKED THESE CONFLICTS AS YOU WERE TOO BUSY COMPLAINING AND " YAPPING ".
20. to 11 and 14
Chardon Bleu ,   Geneva Switzerland   (11.10.09)
The Bible is composed of books full of fairy tales and founding myths meant for believers and binding only for them. It contains only few historically proven facts coroborated by other sources. It’s absurd and even criminal to try to impose on other people its ways of presenting things. Living in Israel as a Jewish person means in most cases being indoctrinated from the cradle to the grave by Zionist ideology. Being blinded and brain-washed in this way gives a worm‘s eye view of reality. In order to understand the Zionist ideology you have to look at it from the out-side, analyse its consequences for the Middle East and the world at large and study the European history of ideas where it stems from, rather than reading the Bible. As to the satisfaction of non-Jews living directly under the Zionist regime, I have other sources of infomation than you seem to use. You also forgot that the non-Jewish inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza are kept under the ruthless Zionist thumb inspite of all Zionist PR to the contrary. And don‘t dismiss all the persons cruelly displaced as a direct or indirect consequence of the Zionist ideology. Their inalienable right to come back to their soil will be more and more recognized by the international community. As to the threat of the islamization of Europe which Zionists regularly use as a scarecrow: the umbrella organization of Jews in Switzerland want the Swiss to allow the construction of minarets in order to give all muezzins the chance to make their thinking public.
21. Haha. Angryman bin Jacob; amusing and predictable. Thanks.
k1w1 ,   NZ   (11.11.09)
22. #20
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (11.11.09)
"The Bible is composed of books full of fairy tales and founding myths meant for believers and binding only for them. It contains only few historically proven facts coroborated by other sources. It’s absurd and even criminal to try to impose on other people its ways of presenting things." I'm not religious, notwithstanding, there's archaeological proof that we emanate from Israel Living in Israel as a Jewish person means in most cases being indoctrinated from the cradle to the grave by Zionist ideology. Being blinded and brain-washed in this way gives a worm‘s eye view of reality. In order to understand the Zionist ideology you have to look at it from the out-side, analyse its consequences for the Middle East and the world at large and study the European history of ideas where it stems from, rather than reading the Bible. Hmm...a real science you have there.. Just substitute Israel for Gaza, Jewish for Muslim, Zionist for Hamas and I agree with you. Brainwashing children to become shahids for one As I mentioned,there's archaeological proof of our roots in 'Palestine' As to the satisfaction of non-Jews living directly under the Zionist regime, I have other sources of infomation than you seem to use. You also forgot that the non-Jewish inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza are kept under the ruthless Zionist thumb inspite of all Zionist PR to the contrary. And don‘t dismiss all the persons cruelly displaced as a direct or indirect consequence of the Zionist ideology. Their inalienable right to come back to their soil will be more and more recognized by the international community. They shouldn't have listened to the invading armies in 1948 and remained at home. Today's Israeli Arabs are doing better "As to the threat of the islamization of Europe which Zionists regularly use as a scarecrow: the umbrella organization of Jews in Switzerland want the Swiss to allow the construction of minarets in order to give all muezzins the chance to make their thinking public." Mistake! http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AmilImani60417.htm
23. #21 AMUSED AT ALL THE WORLD'S MISERIES
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (11.11.09)
YOU REVEAL YOUR LACK OF HUMAN COMPASSION, BY OPENLY ADMITTING YOUR AMUSEMENT AT THE LIST OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS. THE MANY COUNTRIES I LISTED WITH THEIR MANY UGLY AND BLOODY STRUGGLES AND THE PEOPLE'S MISERIES AND SUFFERING FROM ALL THESE ONGOING WARS AND CONFLICTS.................DO THESE AMUSE YOU ? YOU ARE A GOOD .WRITER, BUT WHAT RELIEF OR HELP DOES THIS BRING TO THE WORLD'S SUFFERING PEOPLES........... BEING A GOOD WRITER WHILE LACKING COMPASSION, DOES NOT FEED THE HUNGRY OR MEND THEIR WOUNDS. TURN YOUR WORDS INTO GOOD DEEDS, .....GOOD WRITING ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH !!
24. Abraham @ 19, 21
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (11.11.09)
Thank you for sparing me having to refute Kiwi joker this time. You did a grand job. He pontificates to others on this forum yet is unable to take issue directly with Zionist Jew and/or myself .... pathetic!
25. 19. ANGRYMAN bin JACOB, you forgot...
k1w1 ,   NZ   (11.11.09)
Burma, Tibet and the Uighurs in China, Solomon Islands, Fiji, Nepal, Malaysia, Zimbabwe (how did you overlook Zimbabwe?) Haiti, Thailand, Cuba, Ukraine, Sri Lanka, Guinea-Bissau, Indian terrorists, the Mafia in Italy and Russia... But your list includes Chad, Pakistan and Yemen. twice. All examples of regional and local conflicts and problems that deserve as much attention from the US and Europe as Israel's conflicts and problems should get. Instead everyone has to listen to the likes of Lieberman yapping that the whole world is in danger if no one helps them destroy their enemies. The activities of the South American drug cartels (Guinea-Bissau, Mexico) deserves as much attention from the US and Europe as the Israelis are getting from them against Iran. But Lieberman and all the other yapping Israelis, and presumably you, too, ANGRYMAN bin JACOB, would have us believe we're all in immenent danger because Iran might develop a nuclear weapon, miniaturise it, develop reliable missiles and shoot them off at Israel - which, even if it did happen (it wont), would only be a disaster for Israel and the region, not for the rest of the world.
26. The thing about the likes of...
k1w1 ,   NZ   (11.11.09)
"Mark" and "Abraham ben Jacob" and "Zionist Jew" is that they only ever seem to respond to the opinions of others. Then they make a few nasty little personal assumptions and accusations and generally make a poor job of putting across their own point of veiw, which is usually obscured by spite and ignorance, and an even worse job of refuting any opinion they disagree with. And Mark at #22: I followed your link to that disgusting web page - pretty much sums you up right there, I reckon.
27. K1w1
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (11.12.09)
Owned by ABRAHAM ben JACOB !!! Are you desperate to prove to this forum here otherwise with your personal attacks on us? I suspect unbeknown to you, you're actually describing yourself. In psychology it's termed 'projection'. Furthermore, name-calling in your petty way reflects your childish nature..How do you expect to be taken seriously? As for me...being Jewish with close family living in Israel and having lived there for years myself, I come to this website to get my daily up-to-date news. What about you? Why do you follow us here to post your drivel while stating that you're fed up with Israel/Palestine/Iran? Hellooooo!..... This is an Israeli website!! You say one thing and do the opposite. Suggesting that you're confused is being polite.
28. Mark. Just bizarre...
k1w1 ,   NZ   (11.12.09)
I find it quite strange that you, Abraham and Zionist Jew are so concerned about my opinion. I have come across all three of you on other threads on ynet but have yet to come across a single original posting from any of you, just attacks on the opinions of others like myself -- and usually not even attacking the opinion, just personal attacks. My opinion on another thread elicited two lengthy responses from ABRAHAM ben JACOB that were nothing but vitriolic personal assumptions and accusations, were mostly just a purile criticism of the name I use here, k1w1, and had nothing to do with the relitive issue or my opinion on it. Hence my naming ANGRYMAN bin JACOB. Then less than a day after I posted an opinion on this thread, Abraham is here making all sorts of unfounded accusations and assumptions about me again. [Is he stalking me here on ynet, do you think?] And yet you accuse me of "following us here". Remember, you know nothing about me, have no idea who I am -- except that, maybe, I live in New Zealand -- so don't assume you do. Where does Abraham get the idea that I have no sympathy or compassion for the people suffing in any one of the world's conflicts? I have absolutly no problem with criticism of my opinions. In fact, I would welcome a coherent attempt to at least try and change my opinion (or at least give me an idea why you disagree with me), but personal attacks and making unfounded accusations and assumptions about me is simply contemptable. Please point out a single posting where I have made a "personal" attack on anyone that wasn't a criticism or comment about their behaviour, such as #26. Mark, you say ynet is an Israeli website and wonder why I come here, implying that only Jews should be posting here. How arrogant. And why do you care, anyway? This is your second attempt to try and marginalise my opinion (remember, the first was when you suggested I live too far away to know what I'm talking about). Quite frankly, both attempts are pathetic and smack of frustration. So, perhaps one of you (but especially Abraham) could explain to me why Israel's problems should be more important to the US and Europe than the activities of the S. American drug cartels in places like Guinea-Bissau and Mexico, or more important to the world than any of the other many conflicts and troubles around the globe. Tell me why anyone should listen to Lieberman's yapping? Better yet, try posting an original opinion of your own. Otherwise you will just confirm what I already suspect...
29. K1w1
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (11.12.09)
Apologies for assuming you were 'He' in post #24
30. #24..MARK...HONEST, FACTUAL, SINCERE !
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (11.13.09)
MARK......WE ARE HONEST PEOPLE PRESENTING FACTS, LOGIC, TRUTH AND HONESTY IN OUR COMMENTARIES HERE ON YNET. WE PRESENT AND SHARE OUR VIEWS, AND TO INFORM OTHER YNET READERS WITH FACTS. THE SINCERELY INTERESTED PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO BENEFIT FROM THE TRUTH THAT WE KNOW. WE HAVE DONE OUR RESEARCH BEFORE WE WRITE OUR COMMENTARIES. WE MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE SHARE WITH THE READERS IS CORRECT AND CAN BE CORROBORATED. IT SEEMS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE TRUTH AND FACTS THE MOST ARE THE VERY ONES WHO REALLY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. FACTS WILL NEVER CHANGE THEM .... AS WE CAN PLAINLY SEE ON THE TALKBACKS PRESENTED BY SOME OF THEM. THESE IMPISH INTERLOPERS ATTEMPT TO SHARE THEIR OWN MISERY BY TELLING LIES. THEY DEVIATE FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND, WITH BARRAGES OF USELESS DIS-INFORMATION IN A VAIN ATTEMPT TO CONFUSE. THE INFORMED TALKBACKER PRESENTS BOTH SIDES OF A STORY. THE HONEST RECIPIENT OF THE INFORMATION CAN THEN HAVE A REAL CHANCE TO MAKE UP HIS/HER MIND ON THE BASIS OF THE MERITS OF THE ACCOUNTS. READERS ARE CONSTANTLY FLOODED WITH A LOT OF DIS-INFORMATION BY "OTHERS" WHOSE AGENDAS HAVE NO ROOM FOR THE TRUTH. THEY CARRY AN SIGN LIKE A PLACARD READING ......... "HELP WANTED", AND " TRUTH NEED NOT APPLY ". THE HATEFULL TALKBACKERS OR "SO-CALLED EXPERTS" AT DECEPTION AND DIS-HONESTY WILL ALWAYS TRY TO DECEIVE. TO THESE PEOPLE A TRUTHFUL " FACT" IS A FOUR LETTER WORD. THEREFORE THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO TRY AND REACH THE MANY HONEST PEOPLE AND TO PRESENT A TRUTHFUL AND HONEST ACCOUNT. WITH SINCERITY AND TRUTH, THE FAIR MINDED READER CAN MAKE UP HIS/HER OWN MIND AND THEN THEY ALSO CAN POST TALK BACKS ARMED WITH THE TRUTH. OF COURSE THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE SPOILERS, THE PREJUDICED ONES, THE BAD GUYS WHO LIE AND MAKE UP UNTRUTHS TO FURTHER THEIR OWN AGENDAS. MARK....WHEN WE HAVE STUDIED A SUBJECT THOROUGLY ENOUGH, AND DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, TO GET THE REAL FACTS, THEN IT IS VERY EASY TO DISARM THE " FALSE ONE" OF HIS DECEPTIVE COMMENTS. IT IS THE TRUTH THAT GIVES US THE MORAL STRENGTH AND THE MOTIVATION TO CONFRONT THE FRAUDSTERS AND THE TROUBLE MAKERS. IN MOST CASES THE TRUTH IS THE BEST WEAPON AGAINST THE " OTHERS ". IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, THE TRUTH MAY BE HAVE TO BE " HAMMERED HOME" A BIT. WHEN I DEBATED WITH A PROPOGANDIST SPEAKER AT THE UNIVERSITY, I WAS WELL PREPARED AND HE WAS SURPRISED. I HAD RESEARCHED THIS MAN BEFORE HE EVEN ARRIVED AND I USED FACTS WHICH EMBARASSED HIM AND THE TRUTH FORCED HIM TO CUT SHORT HIS "SPEACH". WHEN YOU ADRESS A DEMONSTRATION OF SHOUTING EXTREMISTS, YOU REALISE THAT FACTS ARE USELESS, AND SOMETIMES YOU MUST SHOUT BACK, BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR LANGUAGE. I ADRESS THESE COMMENTS, NOT TO THE ARROGANT LIARS OR HATERS, AS THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF CHANGE. I SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THE TRUTH, AND DESERVE THE TRUTH. THE " OTHERS ", THE DECEIVERS, THEY COME AND GO. THEY SHOUT A BIT OF GARBAGE, AND THEN THEY HOPEFULLY MOVE ON.
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