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Lieberman: Turkey can't be mediator
Ronen Medzini
Published: 22.11.09, 11:00
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1. Lieberman is spot on ..Eliezer needs to go on a diet
Al   (11.22.09)
2. Not only that Turkey can't mediate, there nothing to mediate
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.22.09)
because Peace for Peace can be discussed peacefully between the parties. And if one of the two sides refuses to interact peacefully directly with the other, there is probably no room there or even the intention to ever live peacefully with Israel.
3. stop kissing turkish...
Ruben ,   Tel Aviv   (11.22.09)
a**. its embarassing. Have some dignity, Mr. Minister and call things by their names.
4. Turkey has joined the anti-American block of nations!
frank ,   usa   (11.22.09)
The USA must act accordingly!
5. Lieberman you are God's Gift to Turkey and Muslims
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (11.22.09)
Thanks for refusing Turkish Mediatian FM is noting, You should be Israeli Prime Minister soon Hopefully Who wants to mediate for you? If any wants mediate for you here, Turkey does not want them in our country!
6. Ben Eliezer, go home already.
Israeli taxpayer   (11.22.09)
You spent enough of our money during your never ending career. The only people that benefited from your activities are your family and friends.
7. #5 Tayfun - Erdogan wants to mediate so will you back him?
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (11.22.09)
it is all well and good that you say you don't want anyone who is willing to mediate for Israel in your country. But your PM Erdogan is desperate to be taken seriously by mediating between Israel and Syria or between Israel and Hamas or between Israel and anyone. This way he can pretend to the world to not be a Muslim extremist that is slowly turning your country back into the Ottoman empire in spite of your Army.
8. Liberman ...
Libyan Guy ,   Italy   (11.22.09)
Go back to cold Russia as you do not have anything to do with Jews as we all know that dirty rasist hungry russians like you did change their religion just to escape from comunisit CCCP ... tasvidania
9. Lieberman is so right!
Keren ,   IL-BR   (11.22.09)
10. THIS POST APPLIES TO TURKEY- EGYPT AND PALS IN THE MEDIATION
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (11.22.09)
EGYPT , OR TURKEY IS IN NOT IN ANY POSITION TO HASRHLY CRITICIZE ISRAELI. EGYPT MAY DO ALL THAT IN THEIR BLOOD PARLIAMENT BUT IT HAS NO IMPACT ON HOW THE ISARELI PARLIAMENT THINKS- THE ISARELI PARLIAMENT HAS IT OWN SPIRIT AND INTENTION THAT PUT THE INTEREST OF THE JEWS ON THE TOP PRIORITY. ISRAELI DIDNOT DESTROY ANY CHANCE FOR PEACE. IT IS THE EGYPTIANS THAT HAS BEEN A BAD NEGOTIATOR. EGYPT BACKFIRED ON THESE PREMISE: THEY NEVER IDENTIFIED THE RELEVANT FACTS THAT DEFENDS THE POSITION OF THE JEWS AND JERUSALEM. THEY NEVER ASCERTAINED THE LEGAL ISSUES And AS SUCH THEY DONT HAVE THE RESEARCH CAPABILITIES ON THE CONDUCT AN D THOUGHTS OF THE JEWS OF THESE ERA. HOSNI MUBARAK IS AN OLD FASHIONED MAN, HE DOSENT KNOW THE NEW GENERATION OF JEWS ! AS SUCH HE COULD NOT IDENTIFY THE GOALS AND INTEREST OF JEWS A S SUCH HE COULD NOT PRIORITISE THE JEWISH PRIORITIES- JERUSALEM AND THE LAND OF THE JEWS ! WE HAVE OUR JEWISH STRENGHT AND WE HAVE OUR WEAKNESS, AT LIST W E JEWS KNOW WHAT WE WANT. THE PALS CANNOT GET THEIR MIND INTO WHAT THEY WANT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. THEY ARE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW THIER POINTS OF NEGOTIATION. WE DONT NEGOTIATE TO GIVE PRIORITY TO THE PLAS INTERESTS , WE HAVE OUR JEWSIH INTEREST AS OUR PRIORITY NO.1 WE KNOW THE STRENGHT AND WEAKNESS OF THE PALS, AN D THE EGYPTIANS. WE ALSO KNOW THE POSSIBLE CONCESSION THAT W E CAN GIVE AND TAKE. WE JEWS HAVE CONSIDERED ALL ALTERNATE SETTLEMENT AVAILABLE FOR US JEWS AND WE HAVE CONCLUDED ON TEHSE LONG AGO.IT IS JUST THAT EGYPT DOES NOT CRISTALISE THE CONCLUSION. AS SUCH MOST OF THE ENGOTIATION HANDELED BY EGYPT FAILED AND THEY DONT HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVE EITHER. EVEN IF THEY GIVE US ALTERNATIVES IT IS SUBJECT TO OUR ACCEPTANCE- AT OUR JEWSIH INTEREST- WE WILL NOT APPROVE OR SIGN ON ANY COMPROMISING DOCUMENTS. OUR JEWISH RIGHT TO EXIST AND BE FREE ON OUR LAND AND NATION IS OUR BUSINESS. THE AGENDA DEVELOPED BY THE EGYPTIAN ARE TO PRECARIOUS .IT IS HARD TO FOLLOW AND TO EVEN BE ASCERTAINED ON THE TANGIBLE ASPECTS. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE THE PALS ARE FLUID. THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM SOLVING SKILLS AND MERELY AGRESSIVE MILITANT AND NOT CO-OPERATIVE. AS SUCH IT IS VERY HARD TO PLAN TACTICS OF NEGTIAOTIONS WITH EGYPT OF PALS. THE TIMING OF OFFERS BEEEN VERY ONE SIDED. THE OFFER TO EXCAHNGE PRISONES ARE ON A WRONG FOOTING. GILAT SHALIT IS THE PERSONALITY TO ARM TWISTING TACTIC OF TE PALS . HAMAS AND THE EGYPTIANS HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING POSITIVE SO FAR. NOW WHERE IS THE BOY GILAT SHALIT ? PERES AND MUBARAK BEEN SPEAKING DAILY ON THE PHONE LIKE WOMEN IN GOSSIP SESSION ! DID THEY EVER SET AGENDA AND ASCERTAIN THE SCOPE OF OTHER PARTIES AUTHORITY ? DID THEY EVER CONSIDERED THE AUTORITY OF THE ISARELI IN VETO THE RIGHTS OF THE JEWSIH NATION AS THE LAND BELONG S TO THE JEWS. BEN SINGAPORE CONTINUE.....
11. CONTINUE
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (11.22.09)
DID THEY EVER TAKE THE PRECIOUS NEED TO OBTAIN INFORMATION FROM TEH JEWSIH SIMPLETONS. DID THEY EVER OBTAIN INFORMATION THROUGH QUESTIONINGS OR BRAIN STROMING WITH THE SIMPLETON ON THE GROUND FROM THE ISARELIS . WELL LISTEN THEY DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SEPARATE PEOPEL FROM PROBLEM THEY WERE NOT LISTENING TO THE JEWISH SITE. AS SUCH HOW COULD THEY CONFIRM UNDERSTANDINGS OF THE JEWSIH POSITION IT IS NOT AN ISSUE OF LETTING THE OTHER PARTY OFF STEAM. WE JEWS HAVE STEAM TOO. BUT WE HAVE BEEN CONTROLING OUR STEAM FOR YEARS NOW! WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE ANYMORE. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ! WE AS USUAL WANT TO FOCUS ON THE JEWSIH INTEREST NOT ON POSITIONS. WE HAVE DESCRIBED THE JEWSIH STATE AND HER PROBLEM IN CLEAR SPEACIFIC TERMS AND THE IMPACT ON OUR JEWISIH NATION. WE HAVE ALSO GIVEN AMPLE OPPOURTUNITY TO FOR THE OTHER SIDE TO EXPALIN THEIR INTERESTS AND GOALS,BUT IN BETEWEEN THEY SHOOT MISSALS INTO ISRAEL ! WHAT FRIENDSHIP IS THERE FOR US TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE ENEMISE THAT THROW AWAY OUR FREINDSHIP. IT IS VERY HARD TO IDENTIFY THE SHARED INTEREST AND GOALS IN THE INSENSITIVE ENVIROMENT CREATED BY ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORIST.. WE JUST CANT TRUST THEM ANY MORE. IT IS HARD TO DEVELOPE AND DISCUSS ALTERNATIVE WITH ENEMIES. IT IS EVEN HARD TO OFFER AND DISCUSS ALTERNATIVE WITH OBJECTIVE CRITERIOR. WE JEWS INSIST ON AND PROBE FROM AN OBJECTIVE CRITERIOR BASED ON LAW , PRECEDENT, FACT OF EVIDENCE AND IT IS JUST SIMPLE. WE JEW HAVE BEEN OPEN TO REASONS EVEN WHEN WE ARE CLOSE TO THREATS. THE EGYPTIAN CANT EVEN MAKE NOTE OF AGREEMENTS AND CONCESSION AS THEY HAVE OCCURED OVER THE EYARS, WHAT LEADERSHIP IS THERE? MUBARAK IS TALKING ABOUT US JEWS IN HIS PARLIAMENT ? BEN SINGAPORE
12. TURKEY CANNOT NEGOTIATE FOR JEWS
Benjamin   (11.22.09)
IT IS JUST NOT IN THE OF INTEREST OF JEWS ! TURKEY HAVE A SELF-INTEREST TO PROTECT ! ERDOGAN IS NOT VERY POPULAR AMONG THE TURKS ON ISSUS CONCERNING THE JEW. THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE OF IDEAS SINCE THE LAST 4 YEARS. TURKEY IS MOVING TO BE RELIGIOUS LIKE IRAN AND HESBOLAH . THE SECULAR GOVT OF TURKEY IS BEING PULLED INTO THAT DIRECTION . MODERATE IDEAS ARE SLOWLY ERRODING. tHIS ONLY OPEN DOOR FOR ANTI -SEMETIC SENTIMENTS. THE TURKS FEEL A CONNECTION TOWARDS THE PALS COS THE NEW GENERATION FEEL THAT t THE OTHOMANIAN EMPAYER AND THEIR HERITAGE SHOULD BE IN SUCESSION TOWARD THE PALS AN ISRAEL. THAT IS A RELIGIOUS EXTREMIST IDEOLIGY THAT SI ALSOWING TAKING ITS PALCE IN TURKEY. ERDOGAN HAS TO TAKE HIS SIDE , TAKING THE CORRECT POLITICAL CORRECT POSITION. OTHER WISE HE WILL BE OUSTERED. eROPDOGAN PERSONAL OPINION ON PRO- LIBERATION OF THE JEWISH NATION IS SLOWYLY BEEN WHITEWASHED BY THE NEW EXTREMIST MOVEMENT IN TURKET. IT IS NOT A SUPRISE TO SEE SLANDER AND NONSENSE BEING CASTIGATED AGAIST THE JEWS / ISRAELIS. BEN - ELIEZER MAY TRY TO REVERSE THE ACTION BUT DONT BE SUPRISE , WITH THE TREATEMENT IN RESPONSE FROM THE TURKES. SEE WHAT HAPPEN IN ARGENTINA TO SHIMON PEREZ ! THE DIPLOMATIC MEETING WHICH IS OF ECONOMIC INTEREST MAY GO FORTH BUT IT IS AONLY THE INTEREST OF TEH BUSINESS CIOMMUNITY BUT ON ETHAT DOES NOT HAS ANY BEARING OVER THE NATIONAL ISSEU OF THE SOVERNIGHTY OF ISAREL. wHY DO YOU NEDD THE TURKS APPROVAL ? "Turkey has a special place in my heart and a special connection with Israel," ???? No LONGER eLIZER NO LONGER ! YOU WANT TO RECALL OPERATION CAST AND THE SUPPORT OF TURKS ? IT IS OF TEH PASS..NOW NEW FUNDEMENTALS HAVE EMMERGED ! iT HAS NO BEARING WITH STARATEGIC REALTIONSHIP. tHE RELATIONSHIP HAS GON EBACKWARD 20 YEARS IN TERMS OF QUANTIFICATION ! IF YOU WANT NUMBERS ! GOOD LUCK BEN SINAGPORE BEN SINGAPORE
13. Which is better, Russian vodka or Moldovan vodka?
Nour ,   Palestine   (11.22.09)
That is the question this idiot should concern himself with, not issues relating to the Middle East, Palestine, or Iran. What arrogance, this Russian interference in our affairs!
14. Eliezer Doing Stand Up Comedy in Ankara
Len ,   NYC US   (11.22.09)
The Turks love a good laugh as much as anyone.
15. turkey promised air support to Iran if israel attced Iran
zionist fotrever   (11.22.09)
Last month Iran & Turkey signed a military intelligence sharing pact ( intelligence on Israel ). Turkey committed air force support top Iran if Israel attacks their nuclear sites. They have also agreed to allow Iran to set up early warning stations in Turkish territory to try and detect any Israeli strike force before it gets anywhere near Iran. Relations between Syria &Turkey have recently been getting very cosy. Turkey was on Syrias side during negotiations under Olmert. Turkey has not had a good word toi say against Israel since Obama came to power and they have seen the US is pro muslim & anti Israel. How can we ask a country thats so friendly with some of our greatest enemies to act as mediators. Turkey is a muslim state & they have shown through their actions that their loyalty is to the islamic & arab world and not Israel. Liberman might put his foot in it sometimes but he is right on this one.
16. slander
alexi   (11.22.09)
Am I blind or is Liberman the only israeli who talks straight on the turkish issue. Erdogan utters the most vile antisemitic trash and lies and saddles up to the filth of iran and sudan. Ben eliezer lies on the floor and kisses turkey's rear end and even suggests they could be mediator/ Turkey is in bed with assad and wants to get the golan back to him.Ben eliezer and barak should have nothing to do with political strategy other than defense. turkish army is not stupid and they are battling erdogan and the islamists right now. They could care less about syria and the arabs. Livni does n't have the guts to chide turkey and that is why she should never be PM. she is afraid like olmert was. Bibi is better than olmert but as marv says, he is constitutionally weak and wilts under pressure. Peres is an illusionist as usual. Beilin was rejected by the facts and is utterly discredited, ben ami likewise. No israeli other than lieberman and landau will look you in the eye and tell you the truth. Turkey is not stupid and the army will regain its footing. It is not interested in the arabs. Erdogan is pushing the arab story because his wife is an arabic screeching islamist as is the sabjourian ahmadinejad. As Nidal of Ft. hood, a medical degree is not vaccine against jihadism and lies.
17. Turkish mediation
David   (11.22.09)
It's absurd that we are even discussing the Turkish mediation after their recent behavior toward Israel. Anyway, there is nothing to discuss with Syria. They attacked us. We won. The end of the story. No self-respecting Jew or Israeli should even visit the country. Let them see that insulting Israel hurts their tourism. Why not visit Armenia or Greece instead?
18. Nour-we will tell u ,if u tell us which one you prefer
Alan ,   SA   (11.22.09)
19. Yet Ben-Eliezer claims he coordinated with PM and FM
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (11.22.09)
Ben-Eliezer, it seems, is confirming the old maxim, "Where you stand depends on where you sit". As Minister of Trade, Industry and Labor, his interest is in promoting the economic relationship between the two countries, and everything else is seen through that lens. "Turkey has a special place in my heart", he insists, like a battered wife who insists she loves her husband and can't live without him. Israel's pursuit of Turkey is unseemly, showing a lack of national pride and self-respect. Ben-Eliezer claims Israel wants Turkey to resume its role as mediator, despite Netanyahu's clear statement that Turkey has no further role to play and Lieberman's insistence that Ben-Eliezer has not coordinated with the Foreign Ministry. Draw your own conclusion.
20. to #13 I thought Muslim don't drink.
ghostq   (11.22.09)
you got wide knoledg on booze? lol you got busted in your own lie.
21. Turkey is becoming an Islamic state.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (11.22.09)
Israelis should be aware that the Turkish alliance with Israel is not iron-clad. Its revival in the 1990’s, after decades of cold shoulder relations, was prompted by a rare convergence of strategic and economic interests, that were bolstered by the generous assistance that Israel poured on the most hard-hit areas of Turkey during the 1999 earthquake. But Turkey is a Muslim country, in spite of its commitment to maintain secular rule. No one could foresee the rise to power of Necmettin Erbakan precisely in those years of the summit in the honeymoon, but no one could forget either, that the army swiftly removed him and banned his party when he imprudently came too close to Iran. The army, who remained the arbiter of the correct behavior of the government, could by the same token threaten Syria with invasion and war if the latter did not desist from its support to Kurdish Turks. More about Turkey at : http://xrl.us/bfspye
22. "Muslim-democratic power" an oxymoron
ygalg ,   israel   (11.22.09)
23. #13 This is not YOUR affair
Cynthia ,   USA   (11.22.09)
This is between Israel and Turkey. You're threatened by Lieberman because he's a strong, no nonsense Israeli leader. You can't challenge his leadership skills so you attack his nationality.
24. Boring talk about Turkey
Cem ,   Istanbul   (11.22.09)
I really suggest stop talking about Turkey goes to the east or becomes a muslim state or whatever. Thats boring. Do you think people in Turkey are impressed by what foreigners are thinking? Who cares? The only thing I suggest is, that everybody abroad holding a Turkish passport and having therefore an interest in Turkeys future shall come to Turkey and vote when we have elections here. Thats all.
25. to the convert nour #13
shu ,   uk   (11.23.09)
for muslim you know a lot about alchohol
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