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Haredim demand 'kosher' certification for Arab workers
David Regev
Published: 24.11.09, 07:55
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31. Suddenly it's only a problem when Arabs do it?
5th generation ,   Israel   (11.24.09)
Get real. Northeastern Europeans are no better, because they don't stop at mere speech. Open your eyes or get over it. Otherwise you just look racist.
32. 20 - no
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (11.24.09)
i'm just responding to all of those who complain about the illegal foreign workers and the arabs who are seen as a problem. there are plenty of jews who can do the job just fine, but it will cost. bottom line is you can't have cheap AND the quality you want. to keep the prices down, there has to be compromise somewhere. it's funny that everyone doesn't want the foreign element yet wants everything to remain cheap. can't happen in this economy.
33. Arguments good for one side are good for the other side too
Apa ,   NYC   (11.25.09)
A common argument defending the settlements is that it is racist of the arabs to want to live jew-free lives, and that if they want to do that they should go to Jordan. Well, if the jews of this illegal settlement want to live arab-free lives, they should do it in Israel proper.
34. Jews
Sickened ,   Israel   (11.24.09)
Give these jobs to Jews and pay them a little more. Rami Levy certainly has plenty of money to do this.
35. I have an IDEA !!!!
Paul ,   Trinidad   (11.25.09)
Forget the certificates! Let's make all those nasty arabs sew crescents of their clothes. Sound familiar? Are you even remotely uncomfortable?
36. #22 DID YOU NOT READ THE NEWS TODAY?
Paul ,   Trinidad   (11.25.09)
YOU SAY "the issue is that part of Muslim culture includes treating women as sex objects. If a Hiloni Jew would be so crude to women they would also be treated as pariahs." According to an israeli newspaper, "Some 79 percent of single women and 15 percent of married women suffer sexual harassment in the workplace, but only 3 percent of those women ever complain." You can be sure their harassers were not muslim. Stupid hypocrites.
37. # 14
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (11.25.09)
You are right ! Stop employing Arabs,Employ Rabbis.
38. Perhaps....
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (11.25.09)
All 'Arabs' should wear a red crescent on their clothing. Then the other Israelis. ie. Jews, will riot, vandalize Arab property, beat Arabs and trear them as sub-human. Of course, the proper Israelis will look the other way as their countrymen openly discriminate and physically assault those who are not proper Jews. Their excuse for not criticizing such criminal activity is that members of their 'tribe' or 'people' are responsible and the victims are the 'other'. Its not that bad. Arabs are only being injured, not killed. The proper Jew deplores such activity publicly, yet REMAINS QUIET and blames the settler rabble brownshirts for the depredations. The proper Jew warches his countrymen openly advocate ethnic cleansing, collective punishmment of women and children, and even mass murder, yet remains silent. And when one points out the cruelty, racism and hypocrisy endemic in the Israeli experience, the messenger is labeled as either 'anti-semitic' or a 'self-hating Jew. Funny the parallels of the Israeli experience to an earlier time.
39. it is important for universal diversity to remember
Dr. Muzelah Ahelim ,   Indonesia   (11.25.09)
that arabs areconcieved and trained to be sexual predators. Their religion encourages and glorifies rape and their heaven is a whorehous. Their most celebrated prophet was a child rapist and murderer. If You can't accept these facts there will be no furture peace with arabs. Other muslims are not as sexualy depraved as arabs and some arab lands with strong moral leaders clamp down on this occasionally. Some are as bad if not worse for instance pakistan which advocates group rapes daily.
40. Arabs have NO respect for Jewish women, only Arab
Jae ,   Israel   (11.25.09)
women. Ive seen it first hand time after time
41. Mike 32
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.25.09)
Even if they are paid more , there will not be many Jews who will do those "low" quality jobs . This problem exists in the whole world . There is unemployement and at the same time people can't find workers . In the beginning of the State Jews were proud to be a builder , a masson . Today you will not find so many of them in this branch , only the specialised and so . Have a look around you . Who are the cleaning people in the malls ? in the streets ? Ex Ethiopian or Russian . Here in my town we have an exeption . An Ethiopian bus driver , not only an Ethiopian but a woman !
42. #40 was he Haredi settler?
observer   (11.25.09)
43. non-Zionists
observer   (11.25.09)
because Haredi settlers are non-Zionists; they speak from high moral ground
44. 41 - right
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (11.25.09)
except that i'm seeing more arabs and asians doing jobs i used to see russians doing. the difference is that i'm hearing more complaining about them (because they are arab or asian and not jewish). i see the easy solution, but because of the economic situation it's not going to happen. if there is a segment of jews in the population that won't work, taxes will remain high and the economy will be dependent on foreigners/minorities to supply cheap labor as an offest. it's a fact of life that comes into conflict with those that want to protect the jewish makeup of the state. i'm all for that if that's what everyone wants, but it is impossible to have both. impossible.
45. 44 , Mike
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.25.09)
In my country of origin in west Europe there is no "segment of population" that does'nt work as it is here . You have unemployment , but they need to bring in cheaper Polish people for the fruit harvest . This as an example . And the "locals" are maybe also complaining about the behaviour of those workers . You can't evade it , everywhere in the world cheap labor workforce is needed . Taxes are'nt high only because of those who don't work . We need much money for the IDF too . Where i lived when a worker earned , let's say , 1000 Euro/month net in his hands , his cost for his boss was twice this sum [ taxes , social laws etc ]. And when he left , or was dismissed , no "pitsouim" .
46. 45
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (11.25.09)
at least with the army you get something for the investment. and those who do their service are doing it for everything except profit. even the street sweepers accomplish something for the money paid. don't get me wrong, i respect the laws that we have and try not to look down on the jews and arab citizens who, by law, do not work or pay taxes. i think the laws should absolutely be changed and will vote accordingly. i won't hold my breath waiting for it to change, though.
47. Haredi Thugs
Miransky ,   US and A   (11.25.09)
I don't think this hard-working bus driver would make lewd remarks to these flowers of Orthodox Jewry. Haredim are racist, plain and simple. They are thugs. It's their way or the highway! They disrupt and divide. Besides, they should have to work as hard as this Arab driver.
48. How much of a problem is it, #11?
Cameron ,   USA   (11.26.09)
Real & widespread, or imagined?
49. #48 - my bet is it is imagined or made up...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (11.26.09)
...racists always want to protect THEIR women from the lecherous OTHER. The Germans pulled that line in Der Stummer on the Jews, and the KKK still uses it on African-Americans. Meanwhile, there is a glatt kosher shelter for battered religious women, who certainly aren't being battered by Arabs.
50. 11 , what kind of girls ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.26.09)
Your "religious" girls attracted by Arabs ? Can those girls not resist when presented a "sucarya" ? What kind of education did they receive then ? My grandchildren knew , when they were first graders , that they have'nt to accept sweets , or follow a stranger .
51. #50 Those fundamentalist Xians so loved by some Israelis...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.27.09)
...would say that women have been too weak to resist anything since Eve ate the apple....
52. #50 - By the way...
Dorothy friend ,   Tel Aviv   (11.27.09)
...most children harmed or murdered are not victims of strangers, but of close family and family friends.
53. 52 , Dorothy
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.27.09)
Yes , so why do they need to fear them ? And regarding your 51 , for many , if not most , women "diamonds" is still a very attractive word , and can open a big door .....
54. How about this?
Truthseeker ,   USA   (12.01.09)
Maybe the Arab workers could be issued yellow crescents to sew onto their clothes in the same way that Europe's Jews were forced to wear a yellow star. These vile settlers seem to be behaving not much differently than the street gangs that beat up Jews for the "crime" of being Jews. Expel these racist vile settlers and soon.
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