That is why BG had Rabin kill Likud fighters, so we lost East Jerusalem to Jordanians. Normal Jews can smell when Jewish leaders are acting on behalf of the people or foreign governments.

...they resort to Ben Gurion’s image and/or mount that anual circus in Rabín's square to encourage idolatry ,because they don't want to resort to the G-d of Israel and do the right things ,with courage and pride. They prefer sin over righteouness. And a message to "religious"leaders of Israel in the political sphere:stop looking only to your navel and at those of your peers in black and start spreading spirituality -Torah-to all Israel because that's what we need the most.

Yes mr Peres our founder wanted one army for the defence and protection of all the jews in Israel The politicians eg.Barak uses the IDF for personal advancement in the political field.Ben Gurion would not evict mothers and children at might by theIDF soldiers.Ben Gurion was the first person to lead pioneers opening the lands of Israel Ben Gurion fought the world against arab lies that the land was occupied by force by them and jews were not allowed to reenter.Ben Gurion made sure the arbs lost. Ben Gurion used the army to open roads to new settlements and assited pioneers to farm the Ben Gurion did never give aroders to evacuate Israel lands.Peres only remembers what was good for the left.Thank god Ben Gurion used him only as a messenger and coffee maker. Ben Gurion always protected the soldiers and the people

Ben Gurion wanted one army, but that has nothing to do with the current situation. Under the Sharon, Olmert and now Netanyahu regimes, the Israeli government ignores the wish of the people and uses soldiers to destroy their own homes while allowing illegal Arab building. Their is no "rule of law" just arbitrary cruelty so there is no reason that the soldiers should be Frayerim. Barak and Netanyahu should set-up special-mission units of Leftist volunteers to destroy Jewish homes. That would be an appropriate legacy for this duo.

My papa diary, has a few notation about BEN GURION (BG),... Yenpas ( grandpa ) said that BG was readING the Palms 72 AND refered to the author of the Psalms of 72 , by describing that IDEAL king of kings he would wANt for Israel. I have been thinking about HIS words an d only can understand it to be in this way... that we Jews are called to build dominant ideal of the nation Israel. But these dominant ideal must haVE 4 charateristicS of an ideal king. Ther must be JUSTICE. there must be CONCERN FOR the POOR, LOVE for PEACE and overcome OPPERSSION .I supposed Ben Gurion was refering to thes e attribute of a King of King- Israel is called to be THE kING ! BeN Gurion is reported to have spoken about the danger of hero worship which brough untold misery upon mankind too. When one follows their hero uncritically, tey becoem able or unwilling to regognise flaws in his character and mistakes in his leadership, calamity lies ahead. Like the Russsian proverb goes ..." the toe of the star- gazer is of the stubbed"...So Ben Gurion was warning us of the habit of admiration for our star so that we are not blinded to not see the reality with all its actual perils. Grand pa added his comment... that when we idealize a leader, our sound judgement is at risk. just like ben Gurion ,my yenpa also says that the king of Israel is as a ruler of Peace,Justice,Peace , Compasion and Liberator from opperession. The King, who is our father first is HASHEM himself. But the Politicians are also like the Kings most of the time. But these POLITICIANS earthly kings does not have licence to do as they wish. These earthly kings are subject to tHE same moral standards under Hashem'S Law. Bne Gurion who wanted a Jewsih State also wanted a Nation of Compassion, Peace and battLE agaiNst oppression and violence. Israel is just doing that, fighting the TERRORIST WHO PLAN EVIL TO SUBJUDICATE JUDAISM AND THE JEWSIH NATION ! jUST MY THOUGHT ON THIS LETTER I FOUND IN THE OLD TRUNK LEFT BY YENPA PASSED TO IMMA TO ME THE ONLY GRAND SON.- MALE TAIL AIR TO THE THROWN :-) BUT i AM SUCH A REBEL KING OF DISOBEDIENCE AS PERES SAYS :-) NETHAYAHU IS CORRECT , WE MSUT FIGHT DISOBEDIENCE, BUT THE ARMY IS DEMORALISED BY SO MANY INSIDENTS AND ORDERS ! tHE ARMY DURING BEN gURION WAS DIFFRENT FROM THE ARMY NOW ! bUT BOTH THE OLD ARMY AND THE NEW ARMY FOUGHT IN THE WAR BUT THE DIFFRENCE IS THE OLD ARMY FOUGHT TO LIBERATE ISRAEL, THE NEW ARMY IS ASKED TO FIGHT WITH THEIR OWN JEWISH PEOPLE. NOW THIS IS HARD TO SWALLOW ! I AM JUST SCRATCHING MY HEAD ! EVEN TODAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AT THE VICTORIA SCHOOL IN THE AFTHERNOON ! MY BROTHER IN SINGAPORE ARE HAVEING BIG QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHOLE ISSUE ! BEN SINGAPORE

Neither is Ehud Barak the elected foreign minister so much for democracy.

"DARLING "SHE CALLS ME ( she always called me darling :-)......when i was bullied in school for being a jew....when i complain of bad thing happening to me...she (imma ) would respond...you are are in the good company. If you are shocked by the fact that so many good things happen to bad people....I was always puzzed and asked ,why is that it dosent square with the doctrine of G-d and Justice ?. IT IS The samE when i look at Jeremiah, HE WAS also perplexed by the suffering of of many innocent p[erson and the prosperity of notorious sinners... well I just found the answers....King David said...I saw them prosper and I took another glance they were no more there ....David was refering to the WICKED their famE and THEIR stardom is short lived...lik ethe shooting star....very bright ..but the brigtness short lived.... As Mr. Lee kwan Yew said,,,,live by the book....and his son LEE HSIEN LOONG HAS the characteristic of an Ideal National Leader....i reAD the Memoir of Lee Kwan Yew....it is all there the TORAH as it is in there too :-) LKW saw the British prosper but the empire broke.Their Prosperity died....jUST LIKE iMMA SAID...all his(LKY) struggle was worth it . When Lee Kwan Yew fought the British Colonialist he fought to overcome Opperssison of the British who never understood the locals but only looted us. when LKY won the election he formed the Party that free the poor, installed peace and brought Justice to us . Israel was part of the process.We owe it to the Isarel too in so many ways. My friends and their father also REMEMBER THEIR TRAININGs BY THE ISRAELI ARMY IN THE EARLY DAYS OF OUR NATIONAL SERVICE. the iserali Trained us to be Soldiers and we keep the country FREE to date. With Justice, Concern for the poor. Love for Peace and overcome oppressisons. These is all possible becuse we have good Leaders in the Peopel Action Party.( PAP) ben singapore

Then why does the LEFT divide? Altalena? Why did the LEFT go behind Rabins back to meet with Arafat (Beilin)?-against the wishes of the citizens of Israel?- Israel has become a LEFT wing dictatorship that works for foreign governments!

Who elected peres?

We all want one army for the defense against our enemies. This is not a police state and the army should not be used for politics.

Time for a change of leadership unless you stop using our army to do your politics. That's not their job!

YOU MUST NOT GIVE UP ON US ( THE IDF BOYS ) WE ARE SUCH A SPOIL IN THE ARMY. WE GREW UP IN A DIFFRENT ENVIROMENT UNLIKE BEN GURION'S TIME. YOU ARMY GENERAL MUST FORGIVE US. WE ARE LEARNING TOO THE WRONG THINGS FROM A VARIETY OF RELIGIOUS UNDERSTANDINGS ,THAT VARIES FROM ONE RABBI TO ANOTHER. WHEN THEY TEACH THEY TEND TO MISDIRECT BY THEIR OWN VIEWS AND ASPIRATION WE WHO LISTEN JUST FOLLOW THEM LIKE A COW. BUT WE HAVE HEADS TO THINK TOO WE JUST DONT SEE THE REASON TO FIGHT OUR OWN JEWISH PEOPEL, UPROOT THEIR SETTELMENTS W E JOIN TEH IDF TO FREE AND PROTECT THE NATION OF THE jEWS. BUT WE END UP FIGHTING OUR OWN HOW IT THAT SO? wE AS THE YOUNG LEADRES OF TOMORROW HAEV LESSSONS FROM HISTORY TOO. nOT TO WASTED, AND W E MUST REMEMEBER TWO THINGS, REMEMEBER THE PAST AND DRAW THE RIGHT CONCLUSIONS FROM WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST. i UNDERSTAND SINGAPORES HISTORY COS THERE IS A FLOW. BUT THES E DAY I DONT UNDERSTAND ISRAEL ANYMORE. WHAT IS MY PURPOSE FOR ISAREL ? WHAT IS MY PURPOSE AS A JEW ON THIS EARTH. AM I JUST A SOJOURNER yOU ARE MAKING ME A IMMORALLY TO STRIKE BACK AT MY FATHERS, MY MOTHERS, MY BROTHERS, MY SISTERS, AT MY POOR , AT MY ORPHANS , AT MY PEOPLE AT LARGE. WHEN i FOLLOW YOUR ORDERS IT IS LIKE FIRE DEVOURING ME. THE YOUNG MEN IN ME RETALIATE i AM THE LILLIY OF THE VALLEY tHE ROSE OF SHARON tHE BELOVED PERSIMON OF YISRAEL. HOW CAN I EMBELLIS MY OWN PEOPLE? i SOUL-SERACH IN ME i CAUSE MORAL SUPERIORITY IN THE DARK. i REALISE I CAUSED CALAMITY ON MY OWN PEOPEL. i AM CRYING INSIDE ME tHE PAINS TRIKES OUT TOWArDS YOU AS A PROTEST AS A CRY FROM DEEP WITHIN ME i AM A JEW, i AM AN ISRAELI SOLDIER, i AM A FATHER, i AM BROTHER. i AM THE CERATION OF HASHEM, i AM THE FURTURE OF MY NATION TOO idf WHWRE HAVE YOU PLACED ME OR WHERE HAVE I PLACED MY SELF ? i JUST DONT UNDERSTAND ANYMORE ! IT IS A CLASH OF IDEOLOGY, CLASH OF VALUES, CLASH OF THE JEWISHNESS WITHIN ME ! BEN SINGAPORE

Hey Sam ,you are not supposed to notice these small abberations, otherwise some may not think that we are are light unto the nations. Separation of state from religion etc etc plenty of fertile ground here......

What the hell is a Likud fighter, do you mean Lehi? East Jeusalem to Jordan? What the hell are you talking about, your an ass.

not only is the President a ceremonial position, but we did not elect him, he was elected by the Knesset, for a seven year term, and is in no way in charge of the army or anything for that matter, that would be the prime minister. Thanks for playing though, man I should be paid a salary for all the educating I do on these talk backs, and people pretending to be Israelis here are doing a piss poor job.

I meant to type, no way, sorry folks rough day, I'm tired

It is very very bad that Peres continues playing Prime Minister. He must stop playing politics. He must learn to be President with a CEREMONIAL role only. And if it is Netanyahu who asked him to play 2nd P.M., then Netanyahu is to blame