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Message of hope to killers
Alex Fishman
Published: 24.11.09, 00:03
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1. The Solution
Adam Neira ,   Melbourne, Australia   (11.24.09)
(1) Independent mediator/overseer appointed with office in the Old City for the Temple Mount. His job and those of his staff will be to monitor all "sides" in the conflict and make sure that all parties adhere to the agreements outlined below. (2) Hamas and Fatah renounce all use of violence against the State of Israel. (3) Certain Hamas prisoners released. All released prisoners must sign an agreement stating that they renounce all forms of violence against any state, organsisation, person or group of people. (4) Gilad Shalit to be released unharmed. (5) Negotiations over the management and operations of the Temple Mount, Jerusalem and the Holy Land are to proceed according to the overseeing body outlined in Point 1. (A plan and timetable is ready. This has been prepared for quite awhile. Sometimes you have to wait for the Walls of Jericho to fall before proceeding. I have done enough circling. G-d wants a certain paradigm to reign.)
2. shalit
alexi   (11.24.09)
The feelings of the shalits who have had their son in captivity are normal. The idf does whatever it can to get the soldier back.The ranson paid is huge. I would have taken hanieyh and zohar captive but Olmert was yellow with fear and hesitation. But shalits need to rejoin their son and celebrate his freedom. After that, shalit should get out of the idf and not serve anymore. The state whould not wait for these these lobsided exchanges. Sharon used to take arabs off the street prisoner for exchanges. Olmert and livni were gutless in this regard.
3. That's why we must bring back hanging
Talula ,   Israel   (11.24.09)
That'll be another message - but an even more powerful one.
4. is this Justice?
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5. :: Inflating the facts
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (11.24.09)
You have to love the way facts are twisted to suit an argument! Okay we have ‘1,400 prisoners in exchange for Shalit’. In other words: Israel sacrifices ‘that much’ for Shalit. <450 based on Hamas’ list > Yes you can bank this, approx 450 prisoners as agreed with Hamas. So far: 1 Shalit = 450 Palestinians. These prisoners are unrelated to the Hamas/Israel deal. There is no direct connection between any other prisoner release and the agreed/pending release of Shalit. No previous prisoner releases have been related to Shalit’s direct release. To say otherwise is simply to inflate the stats and promote the notion that Israel is paying over the odds.
6. About terrorism and morality.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (11.24.09)
The false equivalence that “one person’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter” sanitizes terrorists while staining freedom fighters. Greek freedom fighters fought Ottoman oppression during the 19th century; bands of freedom fighters resisted Nazi oppression from forest hide-outs during World War II; Hungarian freedom fighters opposed Soviet domination in 1956. FREEDOM FIGHTERS DON’T COMMIT PREMEDITATED MURDER OF CIVILIANS. BUT ARAB TERRORISTS FROM THE PLO, HAMAS AND OTHER GROUPS INTENTIONALLY HAVE MURDERED ISRAELI NONCOMBATANTS FOR DECADES in an attempt to destroy the Jewish state and drive the Jewish people from its homeland. Gradstein and NPR’s “neutrality” in describing terrorist crimes — terrorism violates international law — falsifies the truth on which both moral judgment and journalistic description rest. More about terrorism and morality : http://xrl.us/beaq2q
7. Israel Is About To Become....
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (11.24.09)
the stupidest country in the world.
8. BRAINSTORMING POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS: take hamas leaders hostage
jae ,   lynn usa   (11.24.09)
trade them for shalit blow them up within 6 hours if shalit is not freed
9. Bring back Gilad alive and well
Mark ,   Jerusalem   (11.24.09)
I first ask, if your child was kidnapped would you not want him or her back what ever it takes. Well Gilad is a child of all of us as is all the Jewish nation. If it means giving back 1000 prisioners with blood on their hands I would do it. Sometimes we have to take a chance. We have to believe in G-d that he will help us as he has done for all these years. Bring back Gilad alive and well.
10. 3 Questions !!!
Ali ,   Gaza   (11.24.09)
1- What about Israelies with blood in hand ? 1500 killed in Gaza during the last war on Gaza. we are enemies in War and blood on hand in both sides !!!. 2- If you insist to keep prisoners with blood in Hands, then how about thousands of prisoners with NO blood in hand why you retain all this huge number ?? Sadism ??!!. 3- Negotiations of 15 years went to invain, no release of Prisoners resulted from Negotiations, but now and in previuous occassion dosens of prisoners are released in exchange deals > does this this raise a question of the language Israel understand ???.
11. release them back into coffins
rich ,   port   (11.24.09)
send them back into coffins
12. #10 Ali - 3 Answers + 1 More Question
Seth Greenberg ,   Raanana, Israel   (11.24.09)
1. Ali, your first question is a statement. But I believe you are confusing soldiers (with the blood of other soldiers on their hands, and of civilians accidentally caught in combat conditions) and murderers who send children to blow up their explosive belts in restaurants and shopping malls. 2. Why does Israel detain a large number of prisoners with NO blood on their hands? I must admit, I do not know what is considered a crime in Gaza. But in Israel, we have prisons for people who steal, rape, commit arson, incite violence, etc. 3. If you are asking about the language that Israel understands being the language of blackmail, the answer is yes. Israel understands that language. We have given into the demands of kidnappers before. We understand all too well that when we negotiate, more Israelis are kidnapped and killed. Stop being a victim. Organize and replace Hamas with democratic leadership. Then we might have someone to really negotiate with. For now, Israel deals with kidnappers and missile launchers. That is not very encouraging.
13. to #10 thst was during war
ghostq   (11.24.09)
but the sucide bombings weren't. as for the blood on their hand, hamas insisted that the list will contain the people with blood on their hands it was hamas who made the list not Israel, list of demands, and Israel rules out who will not be realied. the number is cause all of them were violent. funny but we know you gazans won't abandon the violence and as you call it resistance so, don't try to divert the guilt.
14. # 12
Ali ,   Gaza   (11.24.09)
1- In this way you give legitemacy to soldiers in uniform and in official military operation to kill civilians, children ,destroy houses, schools and infrastructures unroot trees and, ... (refer to Goldstone report) yoiu have been condemend in this reprt prepared by a jewish guy, you are not alone in this world !! . meanwhile resistance is legal according to international laws and conventions, you cant teach your enemy how to resist you, suicide boms in buses and restaurants is not accepted for me the same as killing 35 person (from one family )of innocents most of them children . 2-haha in gaza criminals with no blood in hands we give them prizaez !! you should know more about your enemy, we have the palestinian law since 1920, Plestinialn arbitration law is the oldest in the area before israel come to existence.We are members in Fifa since 1928 5 players were jewish origins !! 3-Yes we are victims !! I live here in gaza and I see the suffering . our problem is not Hamas, Hamas is 20 years old meanwhile our trgedy is 60 years old !!.
15. Fishman cries foul, wants Shalit to remain tortured prisoner
marlene ,   Philadelphia, USA   (11.24.09)
Would you be whining like a baby if it were YOUR son, Fishman? I don't think so. Israel's weakness lies in being HELPLESS to retrieve its kidnapped soldiers. Not in freeing terrorists who can be recaptured in the next war. Leaving a young, once healthy soldier in the hands of inhuman torturers for years is Israel's weakness and SHAME. Your reasoning may seem smart to you, Mr. Fishman, but it's evil to humanity.
16. Hamas will NEVER EVER EVER release Shalit
steve from raleigh   (11.25.09)
Never. Not Ever. Do you understand that yet? He will die in captivity. Israel must break off all so called negotiations now and forever. Because Hamas will never ever ever ever free him. And for what it's worth, which is probably nothing, Israel should kick the International Red Cross out of Israel for their weak kneed complicity. And announce henceforth that all kidnapped soldiers will be considered KIA. Period.
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