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Obama not the enemy
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 01.12.09, 18:06
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31. i think
lili   (12.03.09)
the personality of a leader must be the best to his nation ..i think bush was not the one .. to clinton was no differance but obama try to be .. so israil is not the main in america stratigy
32. Why is it difficult for you, BBSNews, to accept the right of
Eitan ,   Qatrin, Israel   (12.03.09)
national self-determination of a people, of the Jewish people? And why is it that you deny only this people this right...? After all, members of this people, for nearly 4,000 years have considered themselves to be part of a people - 'am israel (the people of Israel) in Hebrew, their people's language. Isn't it for them, and not for a non-Jew from New Jersey, USA, to self-determine who they are? Judaism is the civilization of a people, of the Jewish people (the people of Judea/Jerusalem). To be sure it does contain an evolving set of beliefs and rituals, commonly perceived as a religion. But Judaism is much more than that, it being one of the oldest living civilizations on earth. Fortunately, Britain, in 1917, the League of Nations, in 1922, and the United Nations, in 1947 have all accepted, explicitly, the right to the Jewish people to its national home and independent state in its ancestral homeland of Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Yet, you, together with your friend Matty Grove, deny this right of a singled our people, of the a right that is universally accepted. And you don't think you are a racist, an anti-Jewish racist at that...??
33. Cameron: you misunderstand my viewpoint
Steve   (12.03.09)
I am not looking for Israel to make the US into an enemy, but rather to see reality. To see America for what she is; a nation with interests in the region, that less and less are centered on Israel, her welfare and her security. Like you wrote, "Israel will have to bend somewhat to the pressure from the Obama administration during the next few years...." Somewhat may be an understatement. I suggest that Israel work to become more self-sufficient; to begin weaning herself off US aid and dependency. It might take some belt-tightening. I am not suggesting Israel discontinue buying American-made weapons. At one point in time Israel was working toward the production of a fine, state of the art jet fighter, the Lavi. US officials pressured Israel to discontinue the project. That was a mistake. Whatever it takes, Israel must become more and more independent; not necessarily isolated. If isolation or near isolation happens as a result, then it happens. I do not support the sort of immoral concessions Israel has been and is being asked to make by the Bush and now the Obama administration. I do not support the concessions Israel is currently making in freezing building in our land. Americans would not do this. Why should Israel? These immoral demands, as you suggest, will only intensify.
34. To: Thomas at No. 30
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.03.09)
Explains a great deal. Thank you for the head's up. Sarah
35. BBSNews #25
Brod ,   USA   (12.03.09)
Blaming Israel for the sins of the Islamist-Jihadists does not make anyone including Obama knowledgeable about Islamist-Jihadism.
36. Well Steve, looks like YNET cast my reply into digital Limbo
Cameron ,   USA   (12.04.09)
The ways of YNET are inscrutable. Suffice it to say that I understood your comment all too well, and perhaps you yourself are the one guilty of not quite fully grasping my earlier remarks. How could I be more blunt than what I said earlier? Perception & visions do differ, I suppose. We shall agree to disagree on the health & nature of the US & Israeli relationship. We'll see if this this 2nd reply manages to pass YNET muster.
37. Eitan, you are a confirmed liar...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.04.09)
Nothing more and nothing less. I have made it thoroughly clear that Israel has every right to exist in peace and security. WITHIN IT'S OWN BORDERS. Israel's largest problem is that it has ILLEGALLY transferred half a million squatters onto Occupied Territory that Israel will never ever be entitled to. The Palestinains have EXACTLY the same rights to self-determination as Israelis, and that is where your lie gets even more insidious. I hereby again declare that Israel has a right to exist within its own borders, but you sunshine, it is you who refuses to acknowledge the same rights for the Palestinians. Now stop your daily lying and grow up for pity's sake. You are making a damned fool out of yourself...
38. BBSNews #37 Islamist-Jihadist Trojan Horse
Brod ,   USA   (12.04.09)
There is no point for your to spew your Islamist-Jihadist crap about 'occupied territory.' The fact is Judea and Samaria are Israel's historic homeland which Israel liberated from the Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in 1967. Just as Spain liberated its historic homeland from the Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in the Medieval, Israel has all the rights in the world in liberating its historic homeland from the Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in the 20th century. There is nothing you can do about it. The Islamist-Jihadist so-called Palestinians already have their homeland in Jordan and in Saudi Arabia where they originated in the 7th century. It is time for them to stop usurping Israel. It is time for them to stop deceiving and manipulating the world to help them in crusading their Jihadism on Israel. The Land of Israel is GOD-GIVEN and GOD-RESTORED to the Jews as a Fulfillment of GOD'S Covenant of restoring Modern Israel in their Ancient Land of Israel. No mortals should dare tamper with GOD'S Providence on Israel.
39. # 30
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.04.09)
Thanks Thomas for your info. I will add what I know. BBS is a (male)Cherokee Indian living in North Carolina. So he wrote in a thread on this forum. The best we ALL can do is IGNORE him & Matty Groves.
40. Brod, until you bring a deity to the UN you...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.05.09)
...are simply a nut. The modern state of Israel was created in 1948. There is no mention in 181 about some deity handing out land deeds, it was the Partition Plan of the soon to be former British Mandate. No deity has ever been involved because no one in the history of the world has ever been able to produce one. There's been thousands of years of claims, there have been hundreds of named deities, as yet, not one has ever appeared. You wrote this nonsense: "The Islamist-Jihadist so-called Palestinians already have their homeland in Jordan and in Saudi Arabia..." Brod, that's just insane gobblety gook. No one and I mean no one will ever jump on your bandwagon with this jazz unless they are as nuts as you are. Shimon Peres said a couple of months ago to another extremist that they were "hallucinating" with this insane talk of 'Jordan is Palestine". Grow up and get some help, you seriously need it.
41. Birdi sweetie, you could have just asked...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.05.09)
...and I and everyone else who is not a nut will tell you that people who write things like this: "...their head is deeply immersed in the Messiah Joker's behind. The Chicago thug is their true voice for the Moon-God. Ha Ha Ha!" It's simply more insane nonsense that has no bearing on anything. And yet you cheer it on if somehow it was meaningful. Well let me tell you something sweetie, I have never once written anything here at Ynet that is in the slightest bit antisemitism, and I have never seen Matty write any such thing either. Perhaps you need some renedial education? I believe in Israel rights to exist in peace and security within its own borders, with the very same being true for Palestine within the 1967 borders as per UN resolutions with East Jerusalem as capital of the nascent state. There's nothing antisemitic in such a stance, it is largely held universally.
42. Birdi #39
Brod ,   USA   (12.05.09)
I doubt whether BBS is a Cherokee Indian. Native Americans are good people and are not AntiSemites. They are peaceful and are not involved in crusading Jihadism on Israel. I believe BBS is an Islamist-Jihadist Trojan Horse.
43. Brod, you are a liar and I can prove it...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.05.09)
...it is quite simple. Email me at bbsnews@gmail.com and arrange to come to North Carolina and then I will personally drive you to the res' and let you speak with the Elders about how American Indians just love colonial powers who steal land and resources from indigenous peoples. You are a joke and a fraud with your false allegations and your false "jihadi" ideology. I an the other hand do not support ANY terrorism, you support the deaths of every Muslim on the planet so you don't have to look under your bed anymore. I support Israel within its own borders, you support an ever expanding Israel that is stealing land and resources OUTSIDE of its borders. I will PERSONALLY meet with anyone who would like to come down to Indian country and find out the truth. And Brod, a "Trojan-Horse" is supposed to be a surprise. I post with my real name and I back every word I write. You on the other hand hide like a coward behind your vile slurs and false accusations.
44. # 42 Brod
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.05.09)
There is a bad apple in every bunch. If I addd anymore here Ynet will not publish this post. Brod you know what "hot air" is dont you ??
45. # 41
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.05.09)
Show me where I wrote "their head is deeply immersed in the Messiah Joker's behind" ??? BBS you are loosing it, too much time spent at your pc writing delusional posts for this forum.
46. #45 Birdi
Thomas ,   Dixieland USA   (12.06.09)
I am from Dixieland where the Political Correctness and self-censorship committed suicide and no longer exists. BBS head is deeply immersed into his beloved Chicago Joker's derriere and unable to take a fresh, deep breath. Ha Ha Ha. Allah Fubar!
47. BBSNews #43
Brod ,   USA   (12.08.09)
You have been spared from getting my response by the censors.
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