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Haredim asked to report yeshiva students with internet connection
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 08.12.09, 23:18
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1. Sick
Arielush ,   Ramat Ha Golan   (12.09.09)
Perhaps they should police all those rabbis who abuse children rather than innocent students.
2. Dos Emet
hanina   (12.09.09)
you only have to fear fear itself
3. crawl back in their caves
Avi ,   Israel   (12.09.09)
just goes to show how paranoid these people are. Yes ban computers heaven forbid the yeshiva students discover there is a real world out there, there are web sites that can get you a job and tell you how to sign up to the IDF. They might even find out that just like in Iran they to are being controlled by a corrupt bunch of mullahs !
4. Well Folks - that just about says it all
Talula ,   Israel   (12.09.09)
Yeshiva students know very well it's forbidden - but they STILL have internet connection. The problem here is that the entire ultra-orthodox population are STILL human and STILL have human urges, just like the rest of us. Obviously the urge for is bigger than their belief in Torah.
5. Backwards
Daniel Breslauer ,   Jerusalem   (12.09.09)
Silly things. People should grow up. Focus on more important matters. Have these 20-year old single guys get married already. The problem is that these (99% American/British) young men don't get married until they are at least 23 or so. If that would be changed, things would be different. Next, regarding chareidim and internet - I'm a streimel-wearing chareidi, and I have: 1) regular Bezeq/Netvision 5 Mbps internet at home; 2) Cellcom mobile internet (UMTS); 3) lots of internet at work (I work in IT). All unfiltered. Many acquaintances have tried to convince me to switch to "Rimon" or the like, 'kosher internet', but I'm way too Dutch (sober) for any of that. (I am Dutch, FYI.) The whole idea of 'kosher internet' feels like something made for imbeciles. They day I get 'kosher internet' will be the day I admit myself to a psychiatric institution.
6. there is a solution
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (12.09.09)
just put those rabbinic minds to work and they'll come up with a ruling where it is both forbidden AND permitted at the same time. there is a long history and tradition, and i have complete faith in these guys to pull it off.
7. the eyes see the heart wants and the
gal1 ,   israel   (12.09.09)
body commits the sin. we should be careful with our future rabbis and teachers, but it's a learning prosess to overcome the yetzer hara. i use internet for learning purposes but sometimes i end up reading ynet and wasting my time. no offence ynet i think you are an ok news site , sometimes. G-d bless Gilad.
8. Ynet does it again
mordechai taub ,   jerusalem   (12.09.09)
it is becoming the norm for Ynet to mix a legitimate discussion (whether the internet should be available in all homes and dorms) and a fringe element that put up foolish posters. It would be better if the same effort being exerted in trying to make the Orthodox world look silly were put into gathering news.
9. What comes after ban computers
Ariel ,   São Paulo - Brazil   (12.09.09)
Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as an observant Orthodox Jew, she holds that homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them. a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I do look forward to your enlightenment regarding the questions that puzzle me. Then I shall pass them along to others who may appreciate your moral leadership. Sincerely.
10. #2 fear G-d not fear. #2 why don't you
gal1 ,   israel   (12.09.09)
open your ears for a minute and listen to the way you think,is it rational? to hate the children of israel? the only reason this country/world hasn't been destroyed is because of the prayers coming out of the mouths of jewish children.these are the voices that can bring moshiach. study torah open your heart to the truth and i pray you repent for the sake of your soul. G-d bless Gilad
11. Not our problem !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.09.09)
It's this fringe of the charidim who issued this poster . It's for their "followers" , let them stay in their dark middle age . As long as they don't attack other people , "Ma Yichpat lanu"
12. #1 There was not even 1 Rabbi that abused children
Shalom   (12.09.09)
He might have been Jewish, but a Rabbi? Never! Only Ynet would title every Jew sporting a beard, Rabbi.
13. the second part of my talkback #10 was
gal1 ,   israel   (12.09.09)
aimed at #3 not #2 sorry for inconvenience.
14. Daniel Breslauer
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.09.09)
Have those guys married at 20 , you wrote . Van wat gaan die dan wel leven ? Where will they take the money to live ? Who will feed them ? Their wife ? and LOL : een Keesie [ Gouda of Edam ? ] met een Straimel !
15. As bad as Islam
Bob ,   Mechburg USA   (12.09.09)
Baptists? This is what gives people pause when thinking about moving (back home) to Israel. Its a delicate subject, but this is just as bad as Islam.
16. Internet #9
Alfi   (12.09.09)
Number 9 you are brilliant. These people, and MK Neeman want to make the Torah the law of the land. Back to the caves boys. Leave your sanity and your orthodoxy behind--it is corrupt.
17. since when...
corey ,   philly, usa   (12.09.09)
did judaism turn into a religion led by rabbinical decree? the more i read about the Haredim, the more i dislike...
18. act now
Apocopos ,   San Jose CA   (12.09.09)
America should act immediately to disarm Israel, a nuclear-armed nation that permits religious crazies to dictate public morals and which has an apocalyptic view of the immediate future. All options are on the table.
19. so much for the only staunch western
Hazon Yesha3ya   (12.10.09)
...democracy in the middle east!
20. To #9 and #16. Your questions answered.
Shlomo Silverstein ,   Maale Adumim, Israel   (12.10.09)
See every one of these idiotic questions answered by Rav Dovid Olorfsky here: Very funny reading.
21. needa jo sry!
steven ,   ny, ny   (12.10.09)
we r just yeshiva guys and mostly from abroad especially the US. we have sexual urges and enjoy pleasuring ourselves, so let us be damnit!
22. Ynet: Avi & Talula thank you. What would they do w/o you?
L ,   Israel   (12.10.09)
I guess the others (Dorothy, et al) woke up late and haven't yet had their daily infusion of desperately scanning Ynet for a good ol' Haredi-bash-fest. Ahh. Better'n coffee for that morning jolt of hate-adrenaline. Whooee-boy!
23. Strictly a fringe phenomenon
Abba ,   Modi'in, Israel   (12.10.09)
This is nonsense. Anyone can display a poster claiming anything. But there isn't the name of a single rabinnic authority attached to it. These posters are always anonymous because these so-called "modestry squads" and similar self-appointed enforcers of morality know that they don't have the backing of any Halachic authority and they don't dare attach the name of a posek or Gadol to their posters and flyers. No religious person who knows anything concerning how religious rules are made on a local level pays attention to these fringe quacks. It's newsworthy only for those who are obsessed with fringe elements.
24. #22 Get over it - it's a FACT
Talula ,   Israel   (12.10.09)
It's this and other Haredi news items that fuel the fire of hate and disgust. AND! what's more important, I'm allowed to voice my opinion - whether you like it or not. I see you have internet - I'M TELLIN!
25. L , 22 . You forgot me , i'm upset !!!
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.10.09)
But , as i wrote , not our problem if some of those charidim want to stay where they belong : in the dark middle ages , or in their caves .
26. #11 - That's what I've been saying all the time...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (12.10.09)
...and if these guys really want to get out of the fundamentalist loop, there are organizations that can help them -- hey, wait a minute, maybe that's why the rabbis don't want them to have computers! They'll find out about them...
27. 26 , Dorothy , religions have always opposed
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.10.09)
progres . And today extreme fanatics continue in this middle age way
28. They're not bothering you, so don't bother them
N, ,   jerus   (03.22.10)
You are all calling them extremists and saying how their ideas are upside down. Cave men? Absolutely not. You should all be ashamed for slandering other jewish people. How will mashiach ever come if this is how you talk about the people you ARE RELATED TO? All they want is to live in their tzura, trying to be as close to Hashem as possible. AND how are YOU living YOUR life these days???
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