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Will Europe wake up?
Mordechi Kedar
Published: 07.12.09, 10:59
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1. For real?
Eric ,   Israel   (12.07.09)
Regardless of where one stands on the political side of things...this is by far the most kool-aid driven article I have ever read in my life.
2. Excellent posting, and all true
Cameron ,   USA   (12.07.09)
Much historic irony in the whole grim situation. The Europeans spent decades wishing they could get the Cossacks & Cowboys off their backs, and wound up with feudal Muslims breathing down their necks. Enjoy, Europa. No one to blame but yourselves for this brooding, building nightmare.
3. i know this sounds far fetched now
sceptic   (12.07.09)
but about 4 years ago, before all of us even heard of iran, an aquaintance of mine told me iran wants to dominate the region. and i told him he's stupid. well i obviously know better now.
4. Will Israel wake up?
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim,   (12.07.09)
B"H Mordechai, you ask if Europe will wake up or not? The answer is "of course it won't". Why? Because it is rapidly becoming Muslim and by the middle of this century will be Muslim, according to some projections. So, the right question to ask is: "Will Israel wake up to this reality?" America already has a Muslim-background president and Israeli PM Netanyahu, instead of vigorously defending the Jews in Israel against his anti-Jewish thought-processes, is making anti-Jewish goodwill freezes to him. Let's ask ourselves, will Israel wake up? As Jews, are we safe in Netanyahu's hands? And if not, what alternatives we have? You work at the Begin-Sadat Center. From that observatory, how can you possibly see the emergence of a Jewish future for Israel on our G-d given Holy Land? Does it matter to you?
5. Hope you post my comment this time!
Palestinian   (12.07.09)
6. YNETTTTTTTTTTT !!!
ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU   (12.07.09)
WHERE IS MY POST. THANKS TO THE GOD THAT I KEEP THE COPY. *** " good words, right ? I just made it up now. IT MEANS I HAVE TWO FACES ONE IS GOOD THE OTHER ONE IS BAD if you take me as nice person MY FACE WILL SEEN TO YOU BEAUTIFULL. but ! if you take me as bad person YOU WILL JUST SEE ANGER & POTANTIAL DANGER ON MY FACE. me = Turkey & Iran you = ANYONE *** Turkey & Iran is trying to own Islamic world responsibiliy. and I see nothing wrong with. each family must have a father when a father around, family members stay in unity. when no father ( and mother ) around, family members may go to wrong. *** ISLAMIC WORLD no unity in. and see todays world ! WHATEVER WORLD FACING, ISLAMIC WORLD IN NO MATTER AS VICTOM OR AS GUILTY. no need politic, okay ! *** IRAN ! MAYBE ALL WORLD DONT LIKE HER. MAYBE IRAN IS BAD MAYBE IRAN IS WRONG. BUT ! IRAN IS IN IN *** TURKEY ! doesnt Turkey once or many times WAS KIND OF AMERICA TODAY FOR ALL WORLD ? Turkey is not todays kid ! TURKEY HAS A LOT RESPONSIBLITY OF WORLD IN PAST. and in today too. MAYBE TURKEY IS NOT STRONG AS AMERICA TODAY ! BUT ! TURKEY IS ALWAYS POTENTIAL PLAYER FOR ALL WORLD. *** europe ! it is a old wolf. IT HAS ITS SIGN ON ANYWHERE IN WORLD TODAY AND IN PAST. *** if you even try to press a cat , to stay in a little corner ! THAT CAT BECOMES AS GREAT LION TO BITE YOU ! that is an old saying. we are not cat. and we are not trying to bite anyone. BUT ! IF EUROPE WANTS TO LEAVE ISLAMIC LIVES OUT ! I AM AFRAID THIS WONT BE WELLCOMED NICE. *** I recpect todays Iranian standing in world. I do also respect Turkey's standing for Islam. anyway ! Iran or Turkey ! I love and support. havent you heard ! half of Iranians are Turks. maybe I am wrong. WHAT I MEAN ? world may face one single standing FROM IRAN & TURKEY ! *** anyway ! look like Mr. Mordechi Kedar spend a lot time for this article. he gives a lot examples I AM GONNA READ ALL ARTICLE, CAREFULLY. I just now read it quick. I love honesty. I forgive arrongancy BUT DIS-HONESTY. as long as we are honest with our feelings and with our thoughts ! NO NEED ANYONE'S LOVE OR RESPECT FOR US. be our enemy ! you are most wellcome. but ! please have true respctfull reasons. Atilla Karagözoğlu
7. ISLAM IS THE FINAL FAITH. COME COME ...
ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU   (12.07.09)
... JOIN JOIN US. LETS TOGETHER BUILD MOSQUES ALL OVER WORLD. COME COME WE GIVE YOU HUG FRIENDLY COME COME NO NEED TO STAY FAR.
8. It's a funny article
Palestinia   (12.07.09)
It's a funny article, the writer has really unlimited imagination. I thought that he is lecturer at Bar Ilan univ. in Arabic and Islamic studies, but he didn't know that Iran and the shiiate don't recognize Burqa (full-body cover). He didn't even mention that many Human rights groups in Europe consider this ban wrong. What if there was a ban to consider any minority as a second class citizens, would the majority has the right to do so!!
9. Israel is safe in Gods hands, but Europe....
Jaacov Baumann   (12.07.09)
...like all the enemies of Israel is cursed and should quickly change its attitudes towards Israel to avoid its downfall ! The writing is on the wall !
10. Atilla are you high on something?
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (12.07.09)
Or you forgot to take those pink pills once again.
11. to #8 that what happend in Turkey and the kurds.
ghostq   (12.07.09)
12. Obsession with Iran?!
Avi ,   USA   (12.07.09)
If the Swiss government would have banned the display of the Magen David and the Luchot ha-Brit in synagogues, what do you think the Israeli government would have done? Cheer on? Do you think Israeli government lobbying the Swiss would prompt similar types of concerns - or those apply only to others not to us? I don't say we shouldn't be concerned about Iran's nuclear ambitions but to allow that to distort all our thinking is dangerous. I wish Ynet editors would display better judgement in selecting opinions for publication.
13. #1: What Does Sugar have To Do With It?
emanon ,   USA   (12.07.09)
I don't get your point. What does a sugary kids drink have to do with arab demands for the world to convert to their way of thinking . . . or die? What part of that don't YOU understand?
14. To: ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU @ 6
Ali ,   KSA   (12.07.09)
First things first, I like your poetry, though you need to work a little bit on grammar and structure :). Just kidding. This stopped me *** I recpect todays Iranian standing in world. I do also respect Turkey's standing for Islam. anyway ! Iran or Turkey ! I love and support. havent you heard ! half of Iranians are Turks. maybe I am wrong. WHAT I MEAN ? world may face one single standing FROM IRAN & TURKEY ! *** Especially the (Iran or Turkey I love and support) Which one do you support, you can't support both of them. They are rivals, probably will be enemies, as was the case in the past. Iranian converted to Shiite Islam just to stick it to the Turks! About Turkey and Iran single standing, I would rather believe Palestinians and Jews. Look my friend, can I call my friend? with all due respect to Turkey - your country? It did not pose itself as player in the world, it was rather asked by the US and Europe to do so. See, this you call Islamic world, has many problems, and it is a fertile land for enemies of the West. They - US and EU - know that they can't reign backward unstable counties in this part of the world, they just can't! So they get an Agent - Turkey. So nothing glorious about that. Besides, most of Arab / Sunni countries feel much comfortable with Turkey than their rival / enemy Iran. Although things might change in the future. I have questionS I still have no answer to. Could you? How far would Turkey go to control those countries? What price it would ask for doing this job? Who is going to pay the bill? Israel? Arabs? EU/US? What do the "secular" military in turkey think about this rapprochement with the Islamic world? When are they going to intervene? Were they asked to allow for such change in the first place before the whole play began? Aren't they afraid of possible infection from those new ill friends. What happened to the Turkish identity? That's for all now, Cheers.
15. iran-turkey:the new axis of evil!!
danaos   (12.07.09)
16. If Europecontinues its appeasement towards the Muslim world,
Felix ,   Berlin, Germany   (12.07.09)
it will not be long before Europe will become a province of the future Caliphate, based in the Muslim Middle East. And as a province, Europeans will have to bow down to the very life style, legal and codes of behavior expected in countries such as Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan. Felix, Berlin
17. Atila
Linichka ,   Gdynia, Poland   (12.07.09)
"ISLAM IS THE FINAL FAITH. COME COME ... " Thanks, but no thanks, Atila. I think that the majority of Israelis are quite satisfied with belonging to the original and first faith.
18. GREAT PHOTO CHOOSE YNET. I LOVE IT
Tomorrow   (12.07.09)
its me :) *** I LOVE LITTLE MOSQUES. OLD LITTLE MOSQUES. IN MY HOME TOWN WE HAVE ONE. MAYBE 300-400 YEARS OLD. VERY LITTLE. you know why I like ? because its pure conversance I REMEMBER THE TV MOVIE CALLED LITTLE HOUSE. I USED TO LOVE IT. FROM MY CHILDHOOD. charles english lora marry I USED TO LOVE BONANZA TOO. *** anyway I used to be good religious man before I met you guys. you = israel. anyway I used to go there time to time and pray maybe 60-70 persons can stay there, all. you feel like YOU ARE IN SAFE ARMS. you feel like WORLD IS NOTHING. and most important thing is ; you feel other people who were praying there 100S years ago. soul soul. *** anyway ! I TRULY LOVE THE PHOTO. I LOVE GREEN COLOR TOO. *** lets love wins. we all same. all religions say SAME THING. THAT IS = LOVE OTHERS. LOVE YOUR NEXT DOOR. *** by the way ! I love you Ynet. I do. I know I gave you very hard days very hard posts. AND AND YOU STILL THE ONLY ONE WHO STILL DEALS WITH ME ! no. I wont talk about the other ones. YOU THE ONE TODAY FOR ME. Atilla Karagözoğlu by the way ynet ? where you from :)
19. Europe is weak, depleted, and fatigued ..
martin ,   Tel Aviv   (12.07.09)
Interesting article, but I just came back to Israel from the UK and Europe is weak, depleted, and fatigued. The suburban streets are deserted because adults drive to work and to the cash and carry or supermarket. Children are no longer allowed to play in the streets because of the fear of pedophiles. I was born, raised and lived in the UK for over 25 years and my last two visits convinced me that Europe is dying. The Roman Empire fell because of lack of children and importing slaves and Europe will go the same way within 20-25 years. Martin
20. Hey, Atilla!
talya   (12.07.09)
Watcha smoke today??
21. Err Natalie, perhaps, it is you that needs to be saved
Mongo ,   Paris   (12.07.09)
from yourself. you comments have no value here. you should contribute your thoughts on Hamas.org. you might find some fans there.
22. Dr. Mordechai Kedar !!!!!
J ,   Uk   (12.07.09)
is this man really a lecturer at department of Arabic and a researcher at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies. What a joke? so stupid, when he is going to wake up himself, Israel should not be proud of such personalities
23. isn't it a bit alarmist ??
charles ,   Israel-jerusalem   (12.07.09)
For a lecturer, it is pushing a bit strong a propaganda of fear. It is also giving too much power to Iran.
24. # 14 , Ali ! My Friend , my response for you
Atilla K.   (12.07.09)
Especially the (Iran or Turkey I love and support) Which one do you support, I LOVE & SUPPORT TURKEY. I SUPPORT IRAN. you can't support both of them. YES. I CAN. They are rivals, probably will be enemies, as was the case in the past. Iranian converted to Shiite Islam just to stick it to the Turks! About Turkey and Iran single standing, I would rather believe Palestinians and Jews. IN THE FUTURE PALESTINIANS & JEWS WILL STAY IN UNITY ! THEY WILL SELL US :) Look my friend, can I call my friend? SURE. ALWAYS. BUT I LIKE TO TALK TO GIRL READERS MUCH THAN MAN. BUT ITS OKAY FOR MAN, TOO. with all due respect to Turkey - your country? It did not pose itself as player in the world, it was rather asked by the US and Europe to do so. WE WERE. WE WERE WORLD'S AMERICA 100S YEARS. BUT TODAY ! YOU ARE RIGHT. AMERICA AND EU TELLS US WHAT TO DO. BUT ! WE STILL KEEP OUR CHARACTER WHICH IS DONT LISTEN OTHERS. HAVE CHARACTER AND MAKE YOUR CHOOSE. See, this you call Islamic world, has many problems, and it is a fertile land for enemies of the West. They - US and EU - know that they can't reign backward unstable counties in this part of the world, they just can't! So they get an Agent - Turkey. So nothing glorious about that. Besides, most of Arab / Sunni countries feel much comfortable with Turkey than their rival / enemy Iran. I BELIEVE THAT WORLD POWERS ALWAYS USED IRAN. IRAN HAS 1000S YEARS STATE EXPERIENCE. AND AND IRANIAN PEOPLE, I RESPECT TODAY. Although things might change in the future. I HOPE IRANIANS CATCH MODERN DAY DEMOCRACT WITH THEIR STANDINGS. I have questionS I still have no answer to. Could you? How far would Turkey go to control those countries? TURKEY ! WE HAVE MANY TURKISH COUNTRIES AS YOU KNOW. THEY HAVE PETROL TOO. IN FUTURE WE LOVE TO HAVE THEM AS BIG FAMILY. I KNOW TODAY WE LOST THE CHANCE. BUT ! YOUNG TURKS AS ME DREAMS ABOUT "UNITED STATES OF TURKEY" What price it would ask for doing this job? WE WILL HAVE TO FACE ALL WORLD. AND ITS OKAY . WE LOVE TO DEAL. Who is going to pay the bill? Israel? Arabs? EU/US? SERIOUSLY ! ANY OF THEM CAN PAY THE BILL. AS LONG AS NO CIVILIAN GET HURTS. WE SAVED MIDDLE EAST LONG CENTURIES. IN TOMORROW THEY CAN FINANCIALLY SUPPORT US :) What do the "secular" military in turkey think about this rapprochement with the Islamic world? When are they going to intervene? Were they asked to allow for such change in the first place before the whole play began? Aren't they afraid of possible infection from those new ill friends. What happened to the Turkish identity? TURKISH ARMY ! WE HAVE A LITTLE COLD TODAY. YOU KNOW BUT ! IN TOMORROWS ! WE WILL BE MUCH STRONGER. TODAYS ARE LIKE VACCINE That's for all now, Cheers. YOU TOO :) ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU
25. # 17, Linichka , Gdynia, Poland
Atilla K.   (12.07.09)
"ISLAM IS THE FINAL FAITH. COME COME ... " Thanks, but no thanks, Atila. I think that the majority of Israelis are quite satisfied with belonging to the original and first faith. *** AS LONG AS THEY KEEP THE FIRST FAITH IN NORMAL FORMAT ITS WONDERFULL. IN FACT, THEY ALL SAME. RELIGIONS. DIFFRERENT DISCIPLINES BUT SAME SUPPLY. atilla karagözoğlu PS : BUTTTTTT WE ARE THE NUMBER ONE :) ISLAM ! I LOVE :)
26. # 20, talya, cool girl !
atilla k.   (12.07.09)
Watcha smoke today?? *** I see you YOU WANT TO JOIN ME :) OKAY. YOUR JOIN WOULD HONOR ME. BUT SERIOUSLY I AM NOT USING ANY DRUG. I NEVER USE. okay once in my life I used. that was a kind of cigarette. called pat. an easy one. and it was years ago in the states. atilla karagözoğlu PS : I love to try those things once in my life. I MEAN HARD ONES. YOU KNOW IT MAKES YOU TO SEE 3 DIMINESIONS VISIONS ANYWAY. LETS CUT THIS. MAYBE CHILDREEN READ THIS. atilla karagözoğlu
27. # 10 Tahl
atilla.k   (12.07.09)
Atilla are you high on something? NO. Or you forgot to take those pink pills once again. AGAIN NO. atilla karagöoğlu
28. DrKeidar's critics would better see his credentials
Trumpeldor ,   eurabyeh   (12.07.09)
This guy is awesome His knowledge of islam is more than academic One day ,live on al jezera, he swiftly killed the journalist's argument about islamic link to Jerusalem This guy should be Israeli Nex PM or FM He calls a cat a cat .
29. new leader of israel
alexi   (12.07.09)
kedar should run for office and be the new PM of israel. He has conviction, fight, understands arabs better than most, and is decisive. Iran's nuclear facitlites need to be elmininated whinle the pedophile regime is in power. US sanctions will not do it. Like peres, livni does not have the strength to disagree with the US and eliminate them. Bibi may have the guts with help from begin and yaalon.livni leans on the buffoon and imbelcile ramon for advice. What an indictment that is! kedar-run for office!
30. Iran's Demands
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (12.07.09)
I can almost see success with most of them. The lone exceptions are the closing of the pubs and strip clubs. The women should riot to keep those open. What woman in her right mind would consent to have all those drunken bums hanging around the house, pawing and slobbering over everything that moves???
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