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IDF to stop securing Psagot settlement
Efrat Weiss
Published: 09.12.09, 19:17
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1. :: Psagot
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.09.09)
Residents of the illegal settlement of Psagot can find peace and safety when they return to Israel proper. I’d suggest that they are evacuated as soon as possible.
2. # 1 the residents are there legally, residing in one of the
geulah ben-ari   (12.09.09)
most ancient locations of residence of the Jewish people. But of course, professional Israel bashers, people who wouldn't settle for anything short of eliminating Israel all together can't understand it.
3. Get rid of Bark, the DESTRUCTION MINISTER dog immediately!
Shalom   (12.09.09)
4. Why should Israel protect any illegal colony?
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.09.09)
They are the number one threat to Israel's future. Not Iran, not antisemitism, it's the illegal colonies. It's the only existential threat facing Israel.
5. To # 4
Jennie ,   NYC   (12.09.09)
Withdrawing again from land, that rightfully belongs to Israel for no recognition to a bunch of terrorist groups, that will turn it into a new battle ground - is inascapably the only existential threat facing Israel....
6. :: Geulah Ben-Ari - #2
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.09.09)
The ICJ/Israeli Court/State Dept/EU/UN all state that this settlement is founded upon occupied land thus therefore is illegal. There is nothing ‘legal’ about this settlement. The residents of the illegal settlement Psagot should be removed (by force if necessary) for their own *protection* as they were misguided enough to build the illegal settlement right beside the Palestinian town of Ramallah. As you say ‘most ancient’, no ‘most ancient’ claims have any relevance today, particularly in a court of law. The illegal settlers would be far safer in Israel proper and not living adjacent to a Palestinian population centre who has suffered for decades from brutal Israeli occupation and illegal settler activity.
7. :: Jennie - #5
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.09.09)
Jennie you do, I trust, understand that there is a huge difference between ‘rightfully’ and ‘legally’?! In a way it does not matter if you understand the difference as you *cannot* prove that the land ‘rightfully’ or ‘legally’ belongs to Israel.
8. #4, I hope you're joking,
AK   (12.09.09)
otherwise you would be considered a complete idiot , totally divorced from reality.
9. This is the Jewish dream and the power to make it real
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (12.10.09)
Whether it is legal matters little if you have the power to make it real then find away to matter it legal latter. Use the law when its on your side and use force when its not, history is written by the winner or those who refuse to give up until they win.
10. Matty Groves
Matt   (12.09.09)
What is there to prove? Israel acquired that land fighting a defensive war. It therefore belongs to Israel. The Arab population continues to announce their intention of destroying all of Israel, so why should Israel leave? Your first comment shows that you are either bigoted or ignorant. If living in "Israel proper" was the only thing required to keep Israelis safe then Israel would not be "occupying" the West Bank right now, would they? They would not have been attacked in 1967. The PLO (aka fatah, aka PA) was founded in 1964, three years before Israel's "occupation" began. Its foundational goal was to destroy Israel. It remains so today. You try to sound smart, but you fail.
11. AK, no joke, every word is the truth...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.10.09)
Or don't you believe in the Rule of Law equally and fairly for all? All of the colonies are expressly illegal. From UNSCR 465, even the US voted in favor of it: "5. Determines that all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity and that Israel's policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in those territories constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East; 6. Strongly deplores the continuation and persistence of Israel in pursuing those policies and practices and calls upon the Government and people of Israel to rescind those measures, to dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem;"
12. #7 - Actually, Israel both "rightfully" and "legally" own it
William ,   Israel   (12.10.09)
There are no legal rulings that talk about who owns what, with proof, and how it falls into the context of inter-national transfer of land/resources regarding West Bank. Now if you lean on the political rulings and public opinion - or more specific - the opinions of Leftist leaders, for your arguments, then that is truly something else. The UN made the status of WB quite clear and so too it remains today. One may wish the "palestinians" to have it for a State, one may try to argue along moral grounds - but legally, it is NOT occupied land. The original owners made it quite clear where it was to go.... Turks lost it to Britain. Britain administered it as a Mandate. The area was deemed to be part of a Jewish State and was awarded to them, and though awarded, it was taken by Jordan in 1948. Jordan rescinded all claims to it in 1967. The "palestinians" also rescinded claims to it because it came with one caveat - that peace must be the result and all war was over. They rejected it. Legally, there is no owner and it reverts to the only State in the region - Israel. So does Israel have a right to it? Since it was won in a defensive war AND is littered with Jewish history, even recent since Jews were ethnically cleansed between 1920-1948, the answer is YES. Answer this legal question - if one doesn't buy the land or inherit it, can they really own it? Ask the hundreds of thousands of illegal Arab immigrants from the 1930s who many call the "palestinians" today what they think. Certainly, the British were not amused when they documented the on-going illegal migration from Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, even the Balkans and N. Africa.
13. #8 - Don't be too hard on BBS - he has satellite TV
William ,   Israel   (12.10.09)
and as such, he knows everything about everything. He said so - and it must be true. ;-)
14. Great. Just announce a vulnerable target
William ,   Israel   (12.10.09)
What a dumb decision at a dumb time. Leave when there is peace, not when "palestinians" are still hell-bent on racist killings.
15. Matt, about sounding smart...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.10.09)
"What is there to prove? Israel acquired that land fighting a defensive war. It therefore belongs to Israel." Incorrect, Israel attacked Egypt in 1967. And since you missed this very important principle, you should not be attacking others: 'territory acquired by war is inadmissible' "The Arab population continues to announce their intention of destroying all of Israel, so why should Israel leave?" Incorrect. First of all, you conflate an entire civilian population under brutal occupation as homogeneous, secondly you leave out the Arab Peace Initiative that has offered Israel everything it ever wanted since March 2003. "Your first comment shows that you are either bigoted or ignorant. If living in "Israel proper" was the only thing required to keep Israelis safe then Israel would not be "occupying" the West Bank right now, would they? They would not have been attacked in 1967." When Israel pulls back to the 1967 borders, it will still comprise 78% of the Mandate. Israel should be content with that not being pared back to a more equitable 50%. "The PLO (aka fatah, aka PA) was founded in 1964, three years before Israel's "occupation" began. Its foundational goal was to destroy Israel. It remains so today." The PLO and Arafat, recognized Israel in 1993. "You try to sound smart, but you fail." You might want to study up, Matty is one of the most informed here. Now you are slightly better informed.
16. An Oppertunity
Ronen   (12.10.09)
Does anyone know a private security firm? This could be an oppertunity for the private sector to step in and provide a service for those who are willing to pay for it!
17. One Israel Fund
Avigdor   (12.13.09)
You can support the security of communities the IDF abandons by sending a check to the One Israel Fund. http://oneisraelfund.org/
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