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We need to fight
Michael Fenenbock
Published: 15.12.09, 00:51
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1. I agree with Michael Fenenbock
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.15.09)
But there is only one fallacy in your logic: you assume that this current Swedish government and/or political party ("Moderaterna" - Sweden's equivalent to Israel's Likud or UK's Conservatives, even though "Moderaterna" are much further to the left in financial politics and they are not morally conservative) - the problem is the Swedish people. 70% of the Swedes are anti-Israeli/anti-Semitic. If they are genuinely anti-Semitic or simply misinformed, brainwashed(by Swedish newspapers/TV) unfortunate stupid herd animals uncapable of independent thinking(which is true by the way) is not the point. The point is that they are our enemies. If they are genuinely evil at heart or if lies and promises have been brought to them if they hold an anti-Semitic/anti-Israeli stance, is beside the point. The point is that the overwhelming majority of the Swedes are hostile to Jews and Israel. If a truck driver runs over my feet, I don't really care if he did it on purpose or by mistake-my feet are crushed anyway. Michael Fenenbock, you should focus on Sweden, not the political party of "Moderaterna" headed by Fredrick Reinfeldt and Carl Bildt. If you want to hurt Sweden you need to hurt Sweden-not its parties. And the way to harm Sweden is twofold: strike the Swedes at their two weakest points and strike them so hard that your fist runs through the body: the Swedish economy and the Swedish reputation. Anti-Semitism/anti-Israeli standpoints are to be found in most of the Swedish parties and in most Swedish newspapers. It does not mean that anti-Semitism is a specific agenda that they have nor does it mean that every single individual may be anti-Semitic - but this is also beside the point. The point is that most Swedes - academics, reporters, journalists, "intellectuals" and the average Swede - the man on the street, is biased, prejudiced and hostile towards the Jews and Israel. What needs to be done? Sweden is no major power. Bear that in mind. It does not hold most of the natural resources in the world. It does not have an abundance of land like Russia, USA, Canada, China, Australia or Brazil. Territorially it is a relatively large country but its natural resources are negligible in comaprison to these giant nations. Approximately 9 million people live in Sweden comapred to more than 7 million people in Israel. Sweden's economy is only a fraction of the world economy of 60 trillion US Dollars. Sweden has no industrial power-it is no major industrial nation. It is not a world leading center for high tech and science. Israel, Japan and USA are considerably more advanced than Sweden even though the Swedish standard of living is relatively high in comparison to the rest of the world. Sweden has a much lower percentage of academics than Israel. Israel is the second most important high tech center of the world after California's Silicon Valley and has the highest concentration of scientists in the world. Sweden does not. Sweden is dependent on trade just like Israel, the difference being that Sweden needs Israel more than Israel needs Sweden. Much of the military material, equipment, computers that Swedes have come from Israel. Solution: prohibit Israelis from exporting weapons to Sweden and sell more weapons to say South Korea, Japan or Mexico instead to cover for the loss of customers. Do not let Swedish scientists or businessmen enter Israel or to do businees with Israel. That's the economy. Now the reputation. The Israeli UN Embassador should repeat every day what Sweden has done to the Jews during WW2. Kick the Swedish Embassador out of Israel. Boycott/avoid all Swedish public officials while socializing with other European leaders. And repeat day after day WHY Israel is treating Sweden the way we should do. Israel should declare all of Sweden "unwanted person" all over the world. Israel should vilify and demonize Sweden everyday, encourage all nations to boycott Sweden and condemn everything that is Swedish.
2. There is also another way..
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.15.09)
Every time Sweden wants to interfer with Israeli domestic affairs, national affairs, Jerusalem, demographics, economy, territory, borders, air space and waters of Israel and/or Israel's legitimacy, Israel will threaten to bring Sweden before International Law. The Israeli UN Embassador should remind the Swedes and all UN nations what the Swedes have done to the Jews during WW2: buying Jewish toothgold and melting it down into gold bullion, producing Cyclone B Gas, producing the sign "Arbeit Macht Frei", telling the Germans to print the letter "J" in Jewish passports, Swedish support for Nazism, Hitler and Germany during WW2, Sweden selling iron ore to the German war machine, letting the Germans have free passage and communication through Sweden. And of course Sweden sympathizing with USSR and Cuba and the Arab world during the Cold War and Sweden taking an anti-Israeli and anti-American position for much of the Cold War. And Israel should kick out the Swedish Embassador from Israel, stop all exports of Israeli civil and military technology to Sweden - the very technology that Swedes use for hospitals and their army-especially Israeli stabilizing systems for the Swedish fighter aircraft "Gripen". Israel is the 4th largest military exporter to Sweden. All Swedish scientists, businessmen, politicians and public officials are to be banned from Israel. In International Press Conferences, Israeli diplomats should always be cold, unfriendly, hostile or refuse to even speak to the Swedish diplomats and declare the entire Swedish nation "persona non grata". Vilify and demonize Sweden every day in Israeli newspapers and TV channels, launch TV series in Israel about Swedish anti-Semitism and the faults and negative sides of Sweden-meaning the real Sweden-not the imaginary picture of Sweden that people tend to hold. Tell people the truth of the Swedish people and their anti-social unfriendly racist manners and their high taxes. Show the hypocritical nature of the Swedes-pretending to be angels and saints, but in reality, murderers, thieves and criminals. Show the Israelis of Swedish PR tricks and the reality of the racial/ethnic segragation in Sweden and all the disrimination against minorities. Demand that Israel should investigate Sweden'd somestic policies. Encourage Israeli politicians to interfer with Swedish domestic politics, delegitimize the Swedes, and at the same time boycott them, avoid them socially and politically. Every single time Sweden interfers with Israeli domestic affairs, Israel should immediately intefer with Swedish domestic affairs. Israel should openly before the eyes of UN, EU, BBC and CNN question why Sweden thinks it stands above the rule of law, why it thinks it has the right to violate International Law when it de facto interfers with Israeli domestic/national affairs and why their opinion is so "important". In other words, question everything the Swedes do and make them pay for it.
3. Yes, in principle, I agree but what
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (12.15.09)
exactly do you suggest we do in Sweden and how do we go about it? The international community always respects an Israel with fights and guts but devours Jewish appeasers and contained Hasbara rationalists.
4. Such Anger
J ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.15.09)
I can understand the desire to "fight back," but this is just silly. Send campaign professionals? Why on earth would anyone think Israeli campaigners would be more effective in Sweden than Swedes? Or that any party would even want them? Look at how Israel has responded to EU funding of peace activists. Is Israel really going to be helped by Swedish headlines reading "Israeli government trying to take over Sweden?"
5. Why is Israel reacting defensively?
Ron B. ,   Lod   (12.15.09)
When interviewed on the international media, its spokesmen answer questions as if talking to their domestic media, instead of taking a pro-active, aggressive approach . They should see their job as educational, putting the facts out. Why don't we react to distortions of facts? Why don’t we denounce false and vulgar propaganda? We are a nation of lawyers, for Heaven's sake, yet we are all struck dumb! Why don't we tell them simple basic truths such as that the Jews are the only ones who ever had a nation-state here, and that in 1920 the world recognized our national rights to this land, and that 800,000 Jews were expelled from Arab countries, etc. The answer is that Israel, believing it has no choice but to accept the world's position, allows itself to be boxed into a corner. We should defend our unquestionable, elementary, legitimate rights and tell the truth as presented at : http://xrl.us/berwte
6. Our failure on the Medias front.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (12.15.09)
One reason for our t failure is that we do not show the murderous nature of our enemies - how the suicide bombers' mothers took such pride in them, their kindergartens that educate towards killing Jews, and how they named their streets and football teams after the murderers, and the like... But the main reason for our failure is that Israel has abandoned the hasbara [public relations] front. Shimon Peres said after Oslo that hasbara is no longer necessary in Europe... To understand what really hapend consult : http://xrl.us/bi3f7
7. Those terrible Swedes, how dare they!!
David ,   Israel   (12.15.09)
What have the Swedes really done that is so bad? Declared that EU will not recognize Israel's attempted annexation of East Jerusalem? NEWS FLASH: No country in the World has recognized Israel's annexation of this territory. This author suffers from paranoia.
8. Ron B., stop using Ynet for incitement...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.15.09)
...Israel has enough trouble without pretenders like you.
9. #7 Sweden tried to get Jerusalem recognized as Palestinian capital.
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (12.15.09)
And to clarify, Sweden tried to recognize Jerusalem as *just* the Palestinian capital. No Israel. No Old City. No Jewish holy sites. Nothing. Had Sweden had its way, the EU would have declared the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations on final borders irrelevant, at least as far as Jerusalem is concerned, as it would have simply given the Palestinians everything and us nothing.
10. Poor analysis of Sweden
Bob   (12.15.09)
Fenenbock does not know anything about Sweden. Bildt would not be pro-Israeli even if he was ahead in the polls. And Reinfeldt will not micromanage Bildt. For a successful discussion in Sweden, local players who know the land are necessary. Deploying non-Swedish spin doctors is a recipe for disaster.
11. NO8
Crazy _racing ,   Daytona beach   (12.15.09)
He is dame right. We need more stray cats to deal with them . Poodles are out. We must race and be more active and creative in our Hasbara. he is right. And not to forget some Humor...you can deliver with smile.. Smile can kill some time. So don't under estimate the guy. Good Day to in Charlot.
12. OPENING OLD BOOKS & BUYING (or selling) PEOPLE
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (12.15.09)
sweden ! and israel !! 194,876* kilometers far to each other *** Venezualle & Sweden at same track on Israel Venezualle is 205, 456 ** kilometers far to israel. how about distance between venezuella & Sweden ? 165, 981 *** kilometers far to each other. *** 1938-1945 Sweden failed ! that is what Israel says. 2008, The Gaza Attack Israel failed ! that is what Sweden says. *** Israel feeling emnity toward Sweden before The Gaza Attack ? Sweden feeling emnity toward Israel since 1938-1945 ? *** PR ! *** CANT WE STAND WITHOUT BUYING ( or selling ) PEOPLE ? israel ! do you have to put the people down to make yourself win ? CANT WE JUST STAND WITH THE SUBJECT BUT PROBAGANDA, PROVACATION ... israel ! cant you just focus the subject about the gaza attack results but old times ? *** sweden ! SWEDEN ! DID YOU REALY DO BAD THINGS DURING WWII ? ps : *, **, *** the numbers are not correct. I made them up. I have no time to find the real numbers. and it is not necessary.
13. # 8
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.15.09)
LOL. You are the right one one to tell Ron B. to stop using Ynet for incitement, when all you do here is incite & provoke. How transparent you are.
14. no 12
Crazy _racing ,   Daytona beach   (12.15.09)
Breath in and out man. relax . ******* You are right but why shout? ******* PR too so what? ****
15. Fruitless pursuit
Tom ,   Toronto   (12.15.09)
The author is suffering from megalomania. American campaign strategists offer their services in elections all over the world. Sometimes their patrons win, sometimes they lose. It doesn't matter a dime whether a strategist from the US tells them what to do or not. Basically, it's money thrown out the window, err, at these strategists who love to take it.
16. Start by using the JEWISH narrative, not fallastinian one!
Jewishnarrative ,   Lynn, USA   (12.15.09)
Thus far Israel uses the fallastinian narrative- it uses the words of their narrative- west bank (not judea), occupation, yada yada. Explain to the uneducated on Jewish history, the jewish narrative. otherwise you lose before you even start playing! Yes! Right on Fenenbock! Israel needs a MONUMENTAL change in tactics...AND NARRATIVE- start by using your own (4000 years old), not that of the far left, EU, and arab states (40 years old)
17. Sweden - Carl Bildt's extremism
jacques Heller ,   Modiin, Israel   (12.15.09)
Absolutely right. Diplomacy today is not the 18th or 19th century diplomacy. Efficient diplomacy means to be straight forward, relatively crude with your opposite party. We need to adopt a strong and agressive negotiation position and we have to put the stakes high: 1. if the Swedish "Jerusalem resolution" is adopted even slightly amended (as it was), we should declare that it is the END of all direct negotiation because nothing substantial is left to negotiate. All decisions will be imposed upon us from outside( the aim of palestinian diplomacy). 2.we reduce our 10 months freeze in the territories to 5 months. 3. the swedish representation in Israel should be reduced to the consulate level. 4. A symbolic and "spontaneous" boycott of swedish products is organized around the world. 5. Refresh the international community's memory with Sweden's attitude during WWII. 6. Find the facts on Sweden and Arab economical/political links and interests. 7. Research Carl Bildt's resume as well as his party and publish an extreme agressive investigative document. Hurt them. 8. Mobilize our friends around that tactic. Take off the gloves! Enough with the Galut-style diplomacy.
18. Fight Sweden, then Turkey, UK, the rest of the world??????
berlonski ,   berlin   (12.15.09)
19. HIPOCRISY
solemnman ,   israel   (12.15.09)
Hasbara should be left to our non Jewish defenders.We should concentrate on the hypocrisy of those who attack us.The world should be reminded of Swedens lucrative involvement with Germany during world war two and their betrayal of their brothers in Norway.
20. God Bless you Michael.
HERTZEL ,   Tveria Israel   (12.15.09)
I am in. It is HIGH time Israeli leadership shows some GUTS to the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The world admire the strong and LOATH the weak, it has been known so ESPECIALY for the jews over two thousand years.
21. IT MUST BECOME WORSE BEFORE IT BECOMES BETTER !!!.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Orao.   (12.15.09)
I AS I SWEDE AGREE TO THE INTENT. TO TOPPLE THE PRECENT SWEDISH GOVERNMENT, WILL BRING IN THE LEFTWINGERS, WHO WILL BRING IN MORE OF THE BAD THINGS. BUT I THINK THIS IS GOD, LET SWEDEN GO ALL THE WAY WRONG, AND LET SWEDEN PAY, THEN SWEDEN HAVE TO CONSIDER ITS WAY. BECAUSE WITHOUT PAYMENT SWEDEN WILL NOT ALTER ITS WAY- NEVER !!!. SWEDEN NEEDS BEATING AND PUNISHMENT, OTHERWAYS IT WILL NOT COME TO ITS SENSES. I AS A SWEDE THINK I KNOW THIS !!!. Arn-Orao.
22. Do we have the will,the guts,I sure as hell hope so
Jaime XMarrano ,   Spain   (12.15.09)
I agree with every single word that Michael wrote,Hasbara is a crock,it's made fun of in every anti Israeli web site,try the Guardian which is one the worst.Fight back, fight dirty,if you want respect.Use every dirty trick in the book and some.Time to use the Jewish brain and BRAWN.
23. What fantasy
Haider ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (12.15.09)
Is mr Fenenbock serious? Does he realy believe in what he writes? The ruling Swedish government´s ploicy, Hammer the Jews, as he puts it, is the result of the latest polls? Does he realy think that the Swedes most important issue, when casting their votes, is whether Jerusalem becomes the capitol of Israel only or of both Israel and the future Palestine? Come on mr Fenenbock, use your brain.
24. Anti-Swedish actions doomed to fail
Harald ,   Oslo   (12.15.09)
The author and most of the talkbacks argue for a campaign against Sweden. Either in the form of flying in non-Swedish spin doctors to manage a political campaign against Moderaterna in the next election, or some kind of wilifying and boycott campaign against Sweden as a whole. Both actions will backfire big time! Giving the Swedish opposition foreign spin doctors for free is the same as giving Bildt & Co a huge surge in the polls. All Swedish patriots will support them against the "agents of the foreigners". An international anti-Swedish campaign? All Swedens neighbours in Europe will rally to the Swedes defense. The only way to stop Sweden is to actively work for a two state solution.
25. # 23 This exactly is the problem!
berlonski ,   berlin   (12.15.09)
Haider, good point. But I think, that's exactly the problem. People like Fenenbock really think that Israel's problems and way of thinking shakes the whole world. He cannot even imagine that an Israeli campaign could backfire immediately because the majority of Swedish voters would solidarise immediately with their government. And not only the Swedish: Why all the embassies are not in Jerusalem, ever thought about that?
26. To nr 24 - in Oslo
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.15.09)
Four dominant features can be found in Scandinavian behavior: naive behavior, on the verge of stupidity, delusions of grandeur(inflated ego), hypocrisy and lies. Do you REALLY think that European nations would rally in Sweden's defence? Sweden had until recently diplomatic complications with Russia over the Georgia-Russia conflict, where Carl Bildt compared the Russian invasion of Georgia to the Nazi invasion of Europe. This in turn provoked Germany and France, eager to maintian good relations with Russia and obtaining Russian oil and gas. Sweden has had many diplomatic complications with Germany and France over the question whether Turkey should be a member or not of the EU. Sweden said yes and Germany/France said no. There is no unity and cohesion in the EU. Every state thinks of its own interests-including Sweden's neighbours. And let me remind you dear Norwegian, that giving in to pressure will only increase it and embolden those who do pressure Israel, but resisting the pressure and delivering counter pressure and making the enemy's pressure feel painful to the enemy himself, will clearly deter the enemy and take off the pressure. Sweden alone cannot pressure Israel. EU can. But the whole point is to punish Sweden, not the EU. Also the days of Nordic and European imperialism are over. We are once again a sovereign/independent state ruling ourselves in our ancestral homeland in which we have lived for 4000 years, four times longer than Nordic history. Your insistence to tell us what to do in our land is extremely impolite, rude, racist and patronizing, as if you think you have the right to impose your will on us. It is our land and no one else's. We are the natives of the land-Arabs are not. They live there? So do we. We have lived in Israel and the Middle East for 4000 years, we have lived on the Arabian Peninsula long before the rise of Arabs and Islam and we have lived in Europe for 2000 years, long before the existence of Norway and Sweden. Let me repeat: European insistence to interfer with our domestic/national affairs is an act of war. Your acts are ILLEGAL in the eyes of International Law. Dear Norwegian, you want to break International Law. Who will put you in jail?
27. Sweden stuck its finger in Gods eye.....
Jaacov Baumann   (12.15.09)
...guess whats gonna happen....
28. More education is the answer
Eric ,   Stockholm   (12.15.09)
One mustn't forget tht the current left-wing Opposition in Sweden is even worse. Of course, Reinfeldt and Bildt capitalize on this, concluding that friends of Israel will continue to vote for them in order to prevent the pro-Palestinian opposition to gain way. Contrary to the writer I believe educating Swedes about Israel's predicament is the best medicine. They are completely indoctrinated into hating Israel and making excuses for Palestinian terror and intrasigence. More hasbara is the solution! And Israel would do good to stop the following Swedish pro-Palestinian propaganda outlets from entering the country: - DIAKONIA (pro-Pal. lobby) - SKR (a wing of the Swedish chirch) - ISM Sweden - Aftonbladet "reporters" - TT "news agency" - Mrs. Cecilia Uddén (Swedish radio) - Mrs. Bitte Hammargren (SvD newspaper) - Mrs. Lena Pettersson (SVT television) and CLOSE the Swedish consulate in Jerusalem, which deals exclusively with the Palestinians. -
29. to 22
Crazy _racing ,   Daytona beach   (12.15.09)
Whats wrong with the Guardian? Branw didn't promise anything. Anyway they wont stop him from any deal. You can fight them with out being dirty. We can stop eating haring and potato.
30. :: Operation Swedish Price Tag
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.15.09)
This is hilarious! Fenenbock is calling for the thwarting of elections in a sovereign country because he has a petty grudge against “Reinfeldt, his political party and his 'pompous, anti-Israel' Foreign Minister Carl Bildt”. In short he wants to "hammer the Swedes" because they (and the rest of the world) do not recognize Israel’s illegitimate claim to E Jerusalem. Fenenbock for his part is resorting to this hilariously desperate measure because he *cannot* prove or provide any legitimate claim Israel has to E Jerusalem. Can I suggest that Fenenbock call this initiative “Operation Swedish Price Tag”? I suggest this because, like the illegal Israel settlers, he has no proof, substance or legitimate claim that E Jerusalem ‘belongs’ to Israel and the only way he can progress this illegitimate claim is by causing the 'other guy' to feel 'pain'. I’m sure the likes of Baruch Marzel will be happy to sign up!
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