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Abbas names 1967 borders as precondition for talks
Ali Waked
Published: 15.12.09, 14:09
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1. Is he totally ignorant?
Gershon ,   Kfar Saba   (12.15.09)
Is Abu-Mazen unaware that there is no such thing as 1967 borders? There is a 1949 armistice line, which was NEVER intended to be permanent.
2. Abbas to try using the failed Syrian negotiation technique
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (12.15.09)
Abbas forgets that this did not work for Syria at all. His adding new conditions will show that he is not interested in a just peace or any peace. This will hurt him more than the Obama handshake did.
3. abbas
jeremy ,   hula valley kibbutz   (12.15.09)
Blah Blah Blah. Says nothing does nothing and knows nothing.
4. The 1967 lines were ARMISTICE lines NEVER borders
Sharona ,   Jerusalem Israel   (12.15.09)
As usual the Palis are a day late and a dollar short. Nobody is going back to 1967. Has he invented a time machine? The guy is getting senile.
5. Another Day, Another PreCondition
Izzie Irgun ,   Zion   (12.15.09)
Abbas has more preconditions for negotiating than i can keep track of. Last week it was no settlement activity, before that recognition of East jerusalem as their capital, now its acceptance of the 1967 boarders,w hich the idiot knows are gone, finished, kaput. The settlements are not going to be dismantled and Abbas will have to trade the land the selttlements sits on for other land in the south. Whats so hard for the Palestinians dummies to understand. As i seeit , they can wait around another 60 years whinning about all their preconditions for this and for that , but it won't get them closer to a state. And the idea that they unitlaterally declare a state is so stupid that it defies even Swedish support and those anti semites will support any crap the palestinians want. The bottom line here is that no matter how you disguise it, as preconditions, forward conditions, new conditions or old conditions, Palestinian rejectionism and incitment remain the root casue of their problems. If they would stop listening to Hamas and tell their people the truth, that Israel is here to stay and Iran will get nuked before it takes out Israel so lets get real. Until these idiots accept reality we will have to listen to more fo this precondition garbage and the palestinians whine about how bad they have it ... you mean how bad they make it.
6. Pre June 1967
Moish ,   Jerusalem   (12.15.09)
The territories were indeed Occupied, Occupied by Jordan so if he wants to go back to 1967 then he has to be willing to be under Jordanian rule! If there was such an entity as Palestine, why did it NOT exist prior to 1967? Why did they not demand that Jordan end their occupation? Why did Jordan make war on Israel in 1967? Because we occupied the West Bank? Because we had so called settlements? Why did Arabs attack us in 1948 and 1956? Why did they attack us in 1929 in Hebron and other towns and cities?
7. he is in no position to demand anything!
period   (12.15.09)
8. We have a final arrangement BEFORE we have talks
Alan ,   SA   (12.15.09)
So what do we need talks for ? Admit4- 6 million "refugees" and its all complete . Why have talks?Its a waste of time
9. If they want preconditions, then we have a few two:
(12.15.09)
1. Jerusalem is Israel's capital - non negotiable. 2. No "right of return" - non negotiable. 3. Immediate and full cesation of Terror and Incitement against Israel. Now that everybody agreed to each other "preconditions", let's talk about WHEN.
10. Give them '67 borders and they'll ask for '47 borders.
(12.15.09)
11. ABBAS IS A DREAMER.
SAM   (12.15.09)
Don not fall in love or negotiate with a dreamer like ABBAS. is minds runs riot
12. WHY DID YOU HAVE WAR IN 1967 ?
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (12.15.09)
why ?
13. Shock horror they want what is rightfully theirs.
Caroline ,   TA   (12.15.09)
Oh no where and who can we steal from next???
14. End the Freeze
גלעד ,   israel   (12.15.09)
the 10 month freeze is not accomplishing anything - SO LET THE BUILDING BEGIN! Let's build thousands of housing units all over Yehudah and Shomron!
15. ABBAS WHY NOT 2009 BORDERS
Zionist   (12.15.09)
Which means stay where you are
16. 1967 borders as precondition for talks if they want no peace
Dani ,   Amsterdam NL   (12.15.09)
We stupid gave them support , weapons and training now they can use it against us. Anyway we cannot change the past but now we have to fight diplomacy for our future. We need to brake the wall the Arab build al over around and fight Anti - Semites sentiments
17. More Preconditions:
Mr Smart ,   jerusalem   (12.15.09)
1) 600.000 Jewish expellees from islamic countries must be compensated. 2) Accept the fact that 100.000 Jews actually were born in the 'Westbank' and now it is their homeland too. 3) The letter 'P' in Palestine is not even part of the Arabic alphabeth. 4) The word Jerusalem does not appear even once in the Koran, but the the Land of Israel does.
18. #12 because the arabs wanted it.
Janice Cohen ,   Jerusalem Israel   (12.15.09)
19. # 12 and 67 war
Dani ,   Amsterdam NL   (12.15.09)
Try to have a look to the historyyou will see that Arabs start to fight us since the beginning inside the '48 borders. Just to give you and idea we were fighting against Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon and we won. If you get numbers we were 1 against 100 and we won also in the '73 war when the attack us by surprise. We fight them back and Damascus was not occupied because the UN stop us 25 km far away. Please before you blame study a little bit the history and maybe....
20. Some progress
Paul ,   US   (12.15.09)
Odd Abbas talked with Olmert without any preconditions as he now demands. Shows Obama has made change after all. Fatah central committee to act as parliament for PLO- so much for democracy and Abbas retiring. Bush demanded an election and this is the end result. Truly impressive progress. Israel needs to plan for and be ready to start construction first day after 10 month period ends. Abbas takes two giant steps backwards. Some progress. The world will continue to blame Israel anyway
21. Abas is desperate..
Jennie ,   NYC   (12.15.09)
Any negotiation begins with 2 sides wanting the same thing. Preconditions is an unwilligness to negotiate...But in this case, Bibi must tell abbas, that Israel pre-condition is that until he, chamas,fattah & other terror groups give up terrorism and recognize the right of Israel to exist as the State of the Jewish people on their sovereign land, there couldn't be any negotiations ...Otherwise no agreements will be worth the paper it would be written on . Enough is enough ! We've been there,done that...
22. Not just 1967 borders but right of return too
Sam ,   Canada   (12.15.09)
Israeli and Western attempts to appease the Palestinians have been useless. A freeze whether partial or total is also useless. Palestinian leaders are stuck at having to promise the Arab and Muslim world that they will retrieve Jerusalem and promising Palestinians they will settle Israel proper in vast numbers. For all the meetings,conferences and commentary nothing has changed.
23. Typical Palestinian Nonsense
Bill Foonman ,   Jacksonville USA   (12.15.09)
In your wildest dreams Mahmoud! Zoheir Muhsin, head of the PLO Military Operations Department and member of the PLO Executive Council (1977), said it best: "The existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity." The West expects the Palestinians to disappoint and they never fail to oblige. The Palestinians need to wake up and stop believing that they have once again succeeded in deceiving themselves into thinking that they are deceiving everyone else.
24. We should go back to 997 BCE borders
USA   (12.15.09)
If we're going to back in time to negotiate borders, lets really go back in time and claim our borders there. How's that for a precondition to negotiations with PA.
25. We should go back to 967 borders BCE 967 borders.
USA   (12.15.09)
26. just like the arab agree to our demand or we wnt talk
zionist forever   (12.15.09)
Somebody needs to remind this idiot that it is the PALESTINIANS that want a state in land Israel controls and won't just hand over to them unless its as a result of a NEGOTIATED settlement. Abbas comes along and says Israel must officially recognize all my demands - borders, end settlements, accept jerusalem as the capital of this state. If Israel says no then he throws a temper tantrum and says if you refuse to accept my terms then I wont even talk to you about the idea of my people getting a state. Obama created this problem. His attitude of sucking up to the muslims and saying I am on your side Israel is our common enemy and so I will get you anything you want. As a result the arabbs are playing hardball and getting nothing because Obama hasn't delivered on delivering every single demand they make. When Bush was president Abbas would have said ok Mr president iwhen do you want to hold the summits and talk. He would accept that talks might not get him everything he wants in one go but he would have talked and taken things 1 step at a time. Under Obama the attitude has become deliver the entire package right this minute or we will refuse to talk wih israel.
27. yes i agree
rashid ,   palistinian   (12.15.09)
i want to go back to 67 i never had the shance to see the beatless perform live and i want them to reunite raani ya habibi raani i love the beatless and shu ismu aaa jamal hendrix i want to see them live
28. in the year 1967
ghostq   (12.15.09)
the old city of jerusalem were on the Israeli side including Hebron which isn't a setelment and palis were under jordan ruleing, I doubt it if they want to return to jordanian regim, and it won't change gaza size cause it already in 67 border line. and it won't change the blockad.
29. abbas and "negotiation"
les ,   canada   (12.15.09)
dear mr abbas. what's there to negotiate? your "pre conditions" cover all the final results of your "peace talks". this clearly shows that the pals have no intention having peace with israel, israel should wake up and realize all they want is the TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF YOUR COUNTRY!
30. #13 Caroline I see you"re an idiot!
Bill and Kandy ,   North Carolina USA   (12.15.09)
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