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Jerusalem demands London plug legislative loophole
Roni Sofer
Published: 16.12.09, 00:00
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1. THE BRITISH CRIMINAL CODE ON WARRANTS OF ARREST ...
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (12.16.09)
... SO BACKWARD AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE DEFUNCT. ....HOW CAN A COURT ISSUE WARRANT OF ARREST IN THIS CASE ? .PAPER WARRANT NOT ENFORCEABLE- SHAME ON THE SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. LACK OF LEGAL JURISPRUDENCE TO INTERPRET THE CRIMINAL CODE AND PROCEDURES ! WITH ALL THE HOTCH POT OF COMMON LAW DECSION STILL THEY WENT WRONG !
2. Anti-Israel tactics about to backfire on extreme leftists
VIT ,   USA   (12.16.09)
Here is yet another anti-Israel tactic that's about to backfire on Extreme Leftists and their Muslim allies. It seems that outside the Mideast your place is reserved for ape-like demonstrations that are corralled, contained and kept away from civilized people. ENJOY!
3. Sharia Law is Taking Over in England
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (12.16.09)
This is a no-brainer. Israel MUST immediately stop all of it's leaders, past and present from going to that horrible country. But this goes deeper. The Islamic-fascists have a foothold there, as we all know. Loudmouth mullahs spew their hate daily in downtown London. Liberals (US) come back after a visit here, with glee, seeing how open it is. The bombings seem not to have meant anything to this court. Livni is passive, a peacenik type...against a true Israeli victory..yet she is threatened? What are they thinking? Britain doomed 6m Jews with the White Paper. It catered to Arab oil and pleasures. It still is, and everyone knows it.. Britian once had an empire...it's own future is problematic.
4. It's no loss, Livni was not there for peace...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (12.16.09)
...in fact she wanted a meeting with Gordon Brown but didn't get it. That left her without the implied diplomatic immunity earlier accorded Ehud Barak. And that, and the visible fact that she was involved in war crimes and possible crimes against humanity as found by the Goldstone Mission, made her vulnerable to arrest. Israel needs to take a long hard look at how destructive efforts to undermine universal jurisdiction will be for the future of the state. Sure there was that temporary backing off by Spain but that won't last given Israel continued and complete intransigence in making peace. There is absolutely no need for any Israeli official to travel to Britain to attain peace. Everyone already knows the outline of a full and fair settlement. If Israel had any real drive to make peace it could do so tomorrow. Bear in mind also that American courts are increasingly looking at universal jurisdiction, including last year the prosecution of Chucky Taylor in Federal Court in Miami.
5. Let's make it official:
shrinkDave ,   Miami USA   (12.16.09)
NO JEWS IN BRITAIN. It's been done before, and they're doing it again. This is a very big deal, and needs to treated as a very big deal. Jews that remain silent about this should never ask how those passive European Jews could have walked willingly into cattle cars.
6. courts
colin   (12.16.09)
The british are anti Israel anti semetic hipocrates. Every word said by any british lieing politician is always outright untruths,falsehoods.twisted stories and deciet. Israel as always are yellow cowards and do not want a confrontation with brittian Stop all diplomatic connections with the brittish dogs,ban all brittish politician from entering Israel even for religious purposes. Disallow any brittish idiot from being connected with the leftest so called peace talks,kick blair and his contemeraries out of themeeting rooms. IN SHORT TELL BRITTIAN TO GO TO HELL until they correct thier sick twisted laws.
7. Britain is sinking lower and lower...
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (12.16.09)
What was once the cradle of modern culture, the most powerful empire in the world, and the noble people who proudly stood up against the Germans in WWII - is now but a pale shadow of its past. In recent decades, this country has been hijacked by Islamic influence, greatly deteriorating its power and standing in the world. The queen is still peacefully sipping her 5 o'clock tea in Balmoral, but give it some time, and she'll be bowing down to some sheik. Before it gets too late, Britain should change this preposterous law not for Israel's sake, but for Britain's sake. If this inconceivable situation continues, Britain stands to lose greatly, more than Israel - politically, economically, and image-wise. If such spurious lawsuits continue against official representative of other countries, Britain risks losing relations not only with Israel, but the rest of the western world, and its aspirations for remaining a world leader would take a serious blow. Good Britons - make yourselves count, and protest to your representatives, against the direction your country is going. Get it back on the right track, before too late.
8. UK Government not governing
DT ,   TA Israel   (12.16.09)
Typical present UK government ! The (very) Left hand does not know what the other is doing because they are too busy fiddling their expenses.
9. to #4 you r not that bright
ghostq   (12.16.09)
cause by your logic they won't be able to participate in peace talks which lead to war, you as american after invade to Iraq also can be banned from places like Israel or other places on earth, you just shoot your own foot buddy, Livni is oposition member you don't like her you can't bann her cause you didn't elected her for the gov, and if you will arrest her you will let the gov of Bibi free hand. but your logic works in mysterious ways I reckon.
10. to #5 you right Brits don't like jews
ghostq   (12.16.09)
to have democracy cause any leader Israel will elect right or left wing will be banned in the UK, including arcademic left wing fource in Israel. so in other words Brits don't like jews or any jewish leader, sadly when Churchill visited in TA he saw how nice the place is but Brits don't care for their own heros they r in use and lose policy. thank god this racist country is not part of the Euro other wise Euro will have to deal with her erogant destructive policy.
11. englandstan.
adir ,   israel   (12.16.09)
europe we didnt forgot what you did in the 40's. seems like you havent changed a bit and its a shame for humanity. i tot humanity will go smarter with the years but instead ppl being more stupid every year. instead of Evolution you got Devolution by islam. in a few more years england will become the muslims 23'rd country british will convert to islam and Israel and the west will cut their ties with you. learn from the past mistakes dont repeat them...
12. IIf Britain is sinking lower and lower
Chris   (12.16.09)
why the desperation of Israeli politicians to be able to go to Britain without fear of arrest? Surely it would be better to avoid the UK and sever all ties. Or is it soemething to do with the top ten richest Israelis choosing to live in London, not to mention those rich Russian Oligarchs? Afterall does Israel want to be dragged down with Britiain are you just talking crap?
13. The UK and occupied territories.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (12.16.09)
From Europe to South America to the Middle East to the South Pole, there is hardly a corner of the world in which Britain isn’t involved in some territorial dispute or another as it obstinately clings to control over disparate chunks of terrain.The most famous of these, of course, are the Falkland Islands in the South Atlantic, which are claimed by Argentina. Although the islands are of little economic value and are home to more penguins than people, Britain fought a brief war with Argentina over them in 1982 which left 900 dead. And not long ago, the British sparked a diplomatic row with Buenos Aires by issuing a new constitution for the Falklands, which it said is intended “to protect UK interests.” For more details : http://xrl.us/oxegf
14. If Al Qaeda can be arrested so can war criminals
Peter Morris ,   New Zealand   (12.16.09)
The Goldstone spells out quite clearly evidence that links Israeli politicians and military personnel to war crimes. Anyone who doesn't think so has their head buried in sand and the 1500 Palestinians murdered a year ago in Gaza don't have the luxury of such a phrase used as a pun. The whole principle of justice is fairness. In fact arresting someone like Livni would have more justification due to direct evidence than Bin Laden.
15. #11 Adil
Chris   (12.16.09)
Absolute rubbish. Moslems account for 3% of the population of the United Kingdom, yet account for 20% of Israel's population. If we are so far down the road to being a happy jihadi nation then why are Israeli politicians so desperate to visit the United Kingdom without fear of arrest. Surely it would be easier just to boycott Britain, and do everything that is required through diplomats.
16. The day the we in the West....
Marco ,   Spain   (12.16.09)
change our Judicial codes in order to accomodate Jewish war criminals is the day I tip my hat with respect to China and North Korea.
17. Go and get arrested in England.
Nora Tel aviv   (12.16.09)
18. What Does Israel Want
Mark of Lewiston ,   Lewiston USA   (12.16.09)
It takes an act of Parliament to change a law in Great Britain. What route doe Israel want the UK to take: A) blanket immunity from the existing law for Israelis? or B) repeal of the law entirely? If the Israeli foreign Ministry is going to rewrite UK law, it should prescribe how it is to be done.
19. #15 chris.
adir ,   israel   (12.16.09)
-first my name is ADIR not adil. thats a jewish name not a arabic name. -second ive been in london a few times last year and i saw it so dont give me this statistic lies. -and about the 20% muslims in israel... most of them doesnt even have Israeli passports. most of them live here iligaly and will be arested when time will come to this. -gaza is not a part of Israel. Israel attacking and controling gaza because they are shooting rockets from there. -and no one boycott englandstan YET. and i really hope so we wont get to that.
20. DIDNT WORLD HELP ISRAEL TO CATCH THE NAZIS ? ITS TIME ...
..ISRAELTOHELP WORLD ,   ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU   (12.16.09)
OF COURESE MRS. LIVNI IS NOT THE ONE, THE ONE WHO MUST HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY. OLMERT BARAK LIVNI SHALUTZ GABI ASHKENAZI THEY ALL MUST BE TAKEN TO ISRAELI COURTS TO BE JUDGED. I WANT TO TRUST ISRAELI JUSTICE. LEADERS CAN MAKE MISTAKE. WORLD EXPECT ISRAEL JUDGE THEM. judge them for the sake of future israeli generatiops. THE STATE OF ISRAEL SHOULDNT CARRY ALL ITS POLITICIANS. WE ! WE DID HANG A PM IN THE PAST IN MY COUNTRY. WE WE DID HANG A FM IN THE PAST ( I hope I am not wrong) So ! If I were Israel ! I would judge my people first. I wouldnt give them to out. BUT I WOULD JUDGE THEM. IF THEY DESERVE PUNISHMENT ! ONLY ME PUNISH MY LOVE ONES. understand ?
21. to #15 wrong 20% r Arabs, among them
ghostq   (12.16.09)
chritian Arabs, they got very nice chritian arab villages in north of Israel and they r very nice indeed, anyway we were talking about muslims. and 3% out of uk is 1,591,000 muslims, mmm that's a lot of muslims don't you think. just don't let them AGAIN convience the queen to convert to Islam they tryed before the will do it again.
22. #14 peter.
adir ,   israel   (12.16.09)
the goldstone report doesnt have facts in it. its all speculations and allmost none of them prooved by mr goldstone. goldstone report is NOT a reliable source. 1500 palastinians was killed because their coward hamas hiding near their homes schools and hospitals and shooting rockets at israeli citizens. and how about that fact... more then 23000 Israelis killed from terror attacks since 1948 thats not including goldstone report huh? allmost half of them ware kids,young womans who did nothing and wasnt even in military age yet. how about that? and dont give me the "you took their land" crap cuz they attacked us in 1948 along with 6 other nations and they lost. you want us to give them back the lands? fine but fisrt we want the americans and canada to give the land back to the indians and turkey and china and japan and UK and russia....and every country who took other ppl land should give it back... if you cant deal with the fire dont play with it cuz you will get burned.
23. dear #20.
adir ,   israel   (12.16.09)
the answer is NO. the world didnt helped Israel with the nazis during the holocaust cuz of a few resons. 1-Israel didnt existed yet. 2-if you refer the jewish comunity there as Israel then you should know that Russia attacked nazi germany because the nazi germany that conquered most of europe invaded to russia and started a war. thats why they attacked nazi germany. not because US the jews but because the nazis attacked them. the world knew that the nazis doing something to the jews yet he stood by and did nothing and we will never forget you that. only after russia found us the world suddenly started doing something. in the bottom line. the world did nothing and we paid the price for their ignorance. and its repeating on itself right now when the new hitler(ahmadenajad) developing a nuclear bombbut the only thing different now is that we have a stong army that willing and more then able to kick Iran butts in time of critical risk to Israel.
24. # 10
adir ,   israel   (12.16.09)
what makes you think Israel want to be a part of euro? we dont want and we will never be. we are just fine with our own "shekel" thank you very much.
25. #18 mark.
adir ,   israel   (12.16.09)
1-Israel doesnt and wont rewrite UK law. but i want to ask you something hamas allso did war crimes... why they can walk freely in UK without being arested? if you want Israeli officials to be arested then first we want to see you aresting hamas. ... come on "GREAT britain" arest hamas allso not only Israeli officials. you know that "great britain" is not so great anymore...everybody can see the deterioration that happening to UK in the last few years. because 2 reasons. 1-they are under muslim influence that influence on their judgment. 2- they are sticking their nose in other country life and and survival. those 2 things will bring UK down. cuz according to UK they should arest russians for killing the georgians. and chinese officials and americans and turkish... they all made wars and killed a lot more ppl then Israel did. why dont they getting arested? speak up.
26. Sometimes my problem with being Jewish in the UK is
Tal ,   London   (12.16.09)
reading talkbacks like what we see here from a largely narrow minded American audience who think that all UK Jews have it so bad that are scared to walk outside our doors etc. We are well represented in all forms of life, come in all shapes/sizes, from the top of power, ranging from some of our senior ministers in government, celebs in popular culture, education.. I am a happy English Jew, living Jewishly without any problems or my family, feel ridiculous to even justify that to as I said, a largely narrow minded audience on this. I do not recall the last time the UK discovered bomb plots against synagogues, shooting men at synagogues, shooting at Holocaust museums, which America just had. ALSO Adir, thats great that you came to London a few times last year and by doing so means that you can dispute the statistics raised by Chris on the muslim population. A lot of the muslims,, you may have noticed may have been on holiday? a lot of them may have been illegal? why are most Muslims illegal in Israel (you said) but not in the UK? The muslims you may have seen may not have had a UK passport either - I dont get your logic. London is one of the most multi cultural places in the world, did you notice the 750,000 Polish immigrants? The tens of thousands of Latin Americans? The 350,000 Americans. I guess anyone brown skinned looked Muslim, religious dress or not.., if you're a bit racist.
27. 25 Adir - Need Complaint
Mark of Lewiston ,   Lewiston USA   (12.16.09)
As I'm given to understand UK law, somebody has to swear out a complaint with specifics against some particular specific person. Perhaps nobody has come forth with that kind of complaint. It would require work that Israeli officials have not yet done. Maybe you should approach your government and ask if they have yet done the work. Things don't happen automatically in any bureaucracy. You don't get results by complaining, you get them by properly completing the paperwork, frequently in triplicate. Your government had a full year of planning the Gaza operation. This should have been factored in as much as the timing of the air raid on the graduation ceremony.
28. to 18 Thats a Faux Pas
The Dude   (12.16.09)
It could actually be very easy just to amend the law. It's not all or nothing, simply require, as has already been suggested by other Israeli legal analysts, to make it a requirement that in cases of Universal Jurisdiction and War Crime warrants it be required that the Attorney General or someone higher up has the final call. Unlike here where a Judge more familiar with rabble rosers and yobs simply is making a politicized decision (which can also be nice for a career boost...)
29. well #26 Tal
adir ,   israel   (12.16.09)
a lot of muslims living in ilegal houses with many construction errors that are against the law built on a land they never bought but invaded with hostility and claimed that land as theirs. plus most of the doesnt recognize Israel as the jewish state and most of them doesnt think jews are allowed to live here. most of them doesnt have legal Israeli passports like i said before and some of them even attacking with stones Israeli cars that driving near them. plus they dont pay taxes and bills and get water and electricity. all these are ilegal and thats what i meant by ilegal muslims. i dont talking about the muslims that bought their houses and pay bills and doesnt harm others. and hey this is my opinions reinforced by true facts so if you guys have problem with it bite me. UK maybe didnt "discovered bomb plots against synagogues, shooting men at synagogues, shooting at Holocaust museums, which America just had. " like you said but america at least defending us and doing something against radical Islam while UK doing nothing but aresting israeli officials and letting hamas(who allso made war crimes) walk freely.
30. #27 mark.
adir ,   israel   (12.16.09)
your right i wont get result by talking to you guys but at least here i can say what i think about all this pathetic behavior of UK for all to see without being censored by a muslim. i live in israel and belive me i know what my goverment is doing and i doesnt say i support them. i would act very different then they do and did. hell i was against gush katif evacuation and i was against stoping operation cast lead and i was against stoping lebanon war 2. but this is bigger then me and you here. and it doesnt mean UK is right allso. my goverment maybe had a year of planning gaza operation but dont forget we still have a kidnapped soldier in there if he was not there gaza would be cleared from hamas scums and everybody was happy. we didnt wanted to kill him in the process. you wrote "As I'm given to understand UK law, somebody has to swear out a complaint with specifics against some particular specific person" didnt ahmadenajad,nassrallah,the palastinians and hamas and some more terrorist cells i wont mention said countless of time that they want to wipe israel from the map?that they will push all jews to the sea? that they will kill every jew world wide? what more proofs you want?yet we only said things like that on hamas hizbllah and iran president but not on the palastinians and still we are the bad ones.
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