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Chelsea Clinton's bridegroom
Aliza Lavi
Published: 01.01.10, 13:05
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1. Let's leave that problem in the Diaspora
Ilan ,   Ariel   (01.01.10)
Assimilation and intermarriage will eventually cause the end of all organized Jewish communities in the US. It is essentially beyond repair. Instead of lamenting a public act of intermarriage, effort would be best spend at preventing the problem from arriving to Israel. Give Chelsea our best wishes. Why should Judaism be important to her if it is not to her future husband's family?
2. Hillary quotes Parshas-Obama has Seders.Both scare me a lot
Alan ,   SA   (01.01.10)
3. Friends of Israel
JK ,   Jerusalem   (01.01.10)
"Bill and Hillary Clinton are true friends of Israel"-- If this was true maybe there wouldn't be a freeze on building in Yehudah and Shomron
4. the coming reformation
Arn ,   Yehud   (01.01.10)
Judaism to day is so unattractive, if not downright cruel. The severe and unforgiving Beit Shamai orthodoxy in partnership with the land desecrating messianics has all but buried the quiet, conservative, and traditionalist Beir Hillel. What we need is the Jewish equivalent of Luther and a Hebrew Reformation.
5. This dumb fool will learn that in time
AL   (01.01.10)
A bouncy shiksa turns into an alte goyete. Dummy...Marry a Jewish women and she will end up being a Yiddishe Mame, like what your bubbe was with yiddish chen. A shikse has the hazer sHmaltze oozing out of her. ME KEN BRECHEN.
6. From the outside looking in
Dismayer ,   Melbourne, Australia   (01.01.10)
This is just straight up racism. From a country which can't decide if to be a Jew is a religious, ethnic, national or whatever identity... From the outside looking in - and that's the rest of the world - this is just crazy talk. Israel, just another theocracy in the middle east. Just cos there are whitre people in your country you think you're a bastion of westerndom. Wake up Israel.
7. Bill and Hillary true friends of Israel ?
DT ,   TA Israel   (01.01.10)
Give me a break ! I have not seen a US President in recent years who is a "true friend " of Israel. Bush certainly wasn't
8. I strongly agree with #1
Keren ,   IL-BR   (01.01.10)
9. ...and one day Hussein Obama's daughters will marry a _____.
VIT ,   USA   (01.01.10)
10. religion doesnt matter
marko ,   tel aviv   (01.01.10)
religion doesn matter or should be irelavant in marriage ,its love and combatibility , understanding and respect that matter.Let every one marry who they want .
11. #7 - bush was the best friend israel had.
mira ,   israel   (01.01.10)
12. I also agree with #3
Keren ,   IL-BR   (01.01.10)
I think Clintons are deep rooted christians ,willing to bring Jews to them.I think it is an even inconscient move.Something almost archetypical. And are there(so many) fools as Marc Mezvinsky and family who are easily lured by the idolaters' glamour and get very easily sold to them. I even think that for Clintons types of people-rich,powerfull and famous- it is even a great prize to have win a Jew to them.A kind of a most precious acquisition.A kind of a Jerusalem in their own hands.A kind of a most precious soul caught by them to particularly bless them.Indeed an acquisition. I know very rich catholic families ,in Brasil for example, who go to live among Jews in predominantly Jewish neighborhoods,are glad to marry their children to Jews,but behind every statement of them you can draw a deep rooted despise towards Jews and towards their inacceptance for their god.Behind every statement of them you can draw a need to press down,if not to humiliate Jews. No wonder #3 is right.
13. AUTHOR YOU ARE VERY WRONG
........DACON9   (01.01.10)
I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GET YOUR FIGURES ABOUTAMERICAN JEWRY AND ISRAELI JEWRY. JUST REMEMBER A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN ISRAELI RABBIS ADVISED 10 IRANIAN JEWS TO STAY IN IRAN AND NOT 'COME' TO ISRAEL.. BECAUSE ASSUREDLY THEY WILL REMAIN AND DIE AS IN JEWS IN IRAN AND NOT SO IN ISRAEL. As a JEW living in AMERICA I see moere shuls and more TORAH GROWTH in BROOKLYN and LAKEWOOD AND THE MOUNTAINS UPSTATE NY then in ISRAEL. Unfortunatly the world JEWS THINK THEY CAN GO TO israel and sin as they did outside and sin even more in israel. Your missionaries target Israel. Many of your youth go to india and other lands of 'many gods' looking for spiritual attainment and ISRAEL IS LAX ON INSPIRIING LEADERSHIP TO TEACH THE SPIRIUAL HIEGHTS IN TORAH. NOT TO MENTION LEADERSHIP THAT DOESNT BELIEVE IN TORAH. I GIVE YOU A FAILING MARK ON YOUR ARTICLE. ISRAELIS LOVES IN INSULT JEWS IN AMERICA WHICH IS IN TRUTH JUST POSSIBLY ISRAELIS ARE LOOKING IN THE MIRROR AND SEE THEIR OWN FAILURES BUT TRANSFERING GUILT OUTSIDE THEIR PERSONAL LIFE IF you left out transfering your guilt to AMERICAN JEWRY and accepted responsiblity of world JEWRY because of our own colledctive failures, then your point wpould be on target. BUT PEOPLE HAVE FREE WILL.. AND THE free will of ISRAEL IS TO blame outside for the pig farms prohibitted in ISRAEL BY HALACHA OR THE FALSE MASS CONVERSIONS OF RUSSIANS INDIAN ,CHINESE AND AFRICANS. OR THE GAY PARADES IN THE FACE OF HASHEM ON 'HIS' HOLY LAND' OR THE GANSTERISM IN ONLY 61 YRS OF STATE INDEPENDENCE. OR THE REPUTATION OF ISRAELI GIRLS LOOSE STYLE OF LIVING AMONG THE GENTILES OR THE RAMPANT PROSTITUTION IN ''PINK CITY, TEL AVIV' OR THE CORRUPTED POLITICIANS OR THE WEAK PATHETIC POLITICIANS OR THE FACTURED TORAH LEADERSHIP ESPECIALLy the egomanianc breakway so called rabbis making new rules and ideas MOST OF ALL.. AS A WHOLE SOCIETY, RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR I believe that ISRAEL fails because ISRAEL LOST THE ONE GD OF ISRAEL. When you go to your jerusalem churches and pluck out the JEWS My faith in your society will be renewed AS OF NOW... AMERICA HAS MORE OBSERVANT JEWS GROWING AND GROWING B'H ISRAEL IS FAILING.. have I intimidated yu enough to work on my premise or have i annoyed you enough to censor my talkback DACON9 EMAIL:jewswithviews@gmail.com
14. So the Clintons are true friends of Israel?
pub ,   USA   (01.01.10)
I'll never understand you Israelis or you Jews. I guess Obama is a beloved family member to you if the Clintons are "true friends" Tired of trying to protect you, a Republican
15. Orthodox Jew agrees with #1
Besalel ,   Great Neck, NY   (01.01.10)
Why force people who dont want to be Jewish to stay Jewish? He is happy marrying a girl he loves, lets all wish him well. The Jewish nation will surivive beautifully even if all non religious Jews because not Jewish. In fact, it will do even better. What has kept us strong over the generations wa never quantity and was always quality.
16. when will Israelis learn?
AY_Lamb ,   Globestan   (01.01.10)
Americans are widely and thoroughly uncomfortable with things deemed different or alien or "non-normal". Under the successive conservative presidencies since Reagan, this animus toward things deemed "bizarre" culminated in the messianic bush administration. Obama hasn't been able to mitigate it, the zealots in the Pentagon are watching and watching closely, they are toiling and scurrying about just waiting for an empirical example of Jewish perfidy as described in their sacred texts. Once they get it on film to show the mob, the days of an independent Israel are over. currently there is intense interest over certain observed maneuverings.
17. Chelsea Clinton's bridegroom
Samy ,   Geneva, CH   (01.01.10)
I fully agree that we need to draw a line, the Jewish people's global population is around 13mio people and growing very slowly. Conversion is not the answer. Successful marriages are built on many things such as similar backgournds, upbringing of the kids and having similar goals. Most mixed marriages fail as most of these key principles are missing. I am for Jews marrying Jews, this is nor racist but a question of survival.
18. Who Cares ??? You Do ... !
Abdel Karim Salim ,   Jerusalem - ISRAEL   (01.01.10)
To me you are neither old-fashioned nor racist but rather an ultra-conservative Jewish person who opposes imperative change, liberalism, & modernization. I bet you know the late Karl Marx himself was Jewish but he came up with ingenious ideas that radically changed the mentality of people all over the world. The late illustrious physicist Albert Einstein was also Jewish but he hardly had any regard for religion, & as you know, politely refused to become Israel's first president, a fact that clearly reflected his disregard for politics & ties to Judaism & Zionism as well ! Times have changed immeasurably, and these days the new intelligent,educated generations do not resort to religion or religious people for guidance or instructions. The reason is mighty simple : we,as human beings, are distinguished from beasts by our ability to use our own intelligent, wise mind. Consequently we certainly can think on our own & decide for ourselves what is best & worst for us regardless of whether religion & religious people like it or not ... ! I myself was born & raised a moslem but these days I don't go by what Islam says. It is a matter of conviction & belief : I don't want to be guided by anybody because I know how to make it on my own... ! Finally, to be honest with you, having family,blood ties with presidents,kings,or emperors,as much as being wedded to a member of a royal family or family of president of a superpower, country does not constitute at all a feather in my cap ; to me what matters is not the bogus,glamorous fame but the real substance of the human being,male or female ! Is my bride(groom) intelligent,righteous,educated, honest,straightforward or not ??? At least these are my own criteria...!
19. It does matter
Matthew Kamins ,   Southfield, USA   (01.01.10)
Inter Marriage should be treated as it was. It is the death or loss of a jewish child to our faith. Unfortunately, for many families, Jewish is a name and type of deli they go to. However, swinging to the far right can leave the same opening as children will reject force feeding as well. We need balance and faith in Hashem.
20. Dacon , stay in your USA
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.01.10)
and take all your alikes to you , so we will have a country with only fine Jews , Fine religious Israeli Jews and fine Israeli secular Jews . And those Fine religious Israeli Jews will do more to have the seculars stay Jewish as you racist rejectionists do . We don't need bigot racists here , we have already enough enemies in our neighboring countries
21. Al # 5
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.01.10)
And this young Jewish girl will not become a "alte Yiddene" ? She will not "krechts un wain" ? Don't be racist Al , Jews suffered more than enough from this evil .
22. I would worry that we are losing our kids to hatred instead.
Diana kimmerling ,   Jerusalem   (01.01.10)
23. Charles de alte communist bundist
Al   (01.01.10)
I knew you would crop up with the racist BS...YOu made my week. Good Shabbos to ya ,,,de alte communist Hahahahaha
24. instead of rejecting , why don't you embrace
rachel ,   usa   (01.01.10)
the children of these marriages .enough narrow minded ignorance
25. Actually? Who Asked You?
Shimon ,   Cincinnati, USA   (01.01.10)
Who cares what you think? It's exactly none of your business, you gossip. Your gratuitous comments about other peoples' private lives come from the fact you have no life and sit around your word processor being a Yenta. The problem isn't assimilation. If Judaism is attractive to people, it will survive. If not, then not. Being a Yenta and telling people what 'the problem' is or isn't won't do a thing. They will deal with their lives with out your phoney "concern". Butt out.
26. Mixed marriage Jew here - with Jewish kids
TMR ,   USA   (01.01.10)
I'm in a mixed marriage. My children are being raised somewhat less Jewish than I was, but about how Jewish I wished to be raised. They will grow up knowing that they're Jewish (even some Orthodox think not, since their mother is not Jewish), going to a Jewish preschool, getting bar and bat mitsvahed, going to Hebrew and Sunday school, knowing their history, and, quite importantly, knowing the importance of Israel. I cannot say how they will raise their kids, but I hope they follow the same path. Mixed marriages, if treated with love and respect, will only increase the number of Jews. Treated with disdain as it is now, it will reduce the number of Jews.
27. They are a very good pair
Johan ,   London   (01.01.10)
His Father just served 7 years in jail. Big macher. Clintons brother just out of jail. And hillary's brothers served in jail. Everything as planned.
28. Conversion is not the issue
Brod ,   USA   (01.01.10)
As a Judeo-Christian, Chelsea worships the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that Jesus taught His disciples to pray to in Matthew 6:9-13.
29. # 13 Deacon
Ginette Golden ,   Toronto, Canada   (01.01.10)
Your Post is BRILLIANT! I am glad they did not censor it. Thank you.
30. Abdel in Jerusalem (#18)
Ginette Golden ,   Toronto, Canada   (01.01.10)
Because there are two sides of me, I very much like your way of thinking and feeling...these are great guidelines to go by and I compliment you on your post. Having said that, without sounding racist or bigoted (for you Charles), it is a real tragedy for us Jews when one of us marries outside their faith. It is not even a matter of religion, but more a matter of the continuation and survival of the Jewish faith. I don't think the Clintons are anymore friends of Israel as their predecessors, it just happens that their daughter fell for "one of us". It is that simple. Let's just wish them well and move on.
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