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Create dilemmas for Hamas
Guy Bechor
Published: 03.01.10, 23:40
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1. bechor's advice
alexi   (01.04.10)
IDF meeds to do more than bechor adivses: how about the following- 1) Take captive hamas operatives for trade 2) helicommando raids take haniyeh and entourage captive 3) Any rocket or mortar fire should be met by 10:1 ratiio to give hamas the message. Bibi has been slow lately in heavy response.
2. yea yea yea. you are so smart. yo
king   (01.04.10)
ou should run for president.
3. Prisoner Swap
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (01.04.10)
Why should Hamas accept a deal? They've never gotten so much free publicity and they'll milk it for all it's worth. If it weren't for this situation, Hamas would barely get a mention. Israel should make ever-higher ranking Hamas officials disappear into thin air. Sooner or later it would dawn on somebody who may consider himself next in line that no Israeli soldier is worth losing his own hide. These asshats have been jerking everybody around long enough. Worse yet, Israel allowed it and continues to let them get away with it.
4. smart
Charles   (01.04.10)
Bechor is a smart cookie. He should go work for the government.
5.  Create dilemmas for Hamas
Gregg Bowman ,   Parksville, Canada   (01.04.10)
This is one of the most, sensible, logical, well thought out articles I have read regarding these negotiations which are not really negotiations any way......Hamas tells Israel what it wants and Israel says "yeah, that's cool, we'll free 1000 murderous, low life scum bastards for one soldier....sure, sounds like a good ethical and moral deal to us....oh and we will fly them first class to wherever they would like to go and if they like they can have a free bag of semtex to clown around with in their spare time......I love Israel and the Israeli people but it is time for them and their govt to wake up!!! The first step in the right direction is to immediately employ the wisdom contained in this article.....God Bless, Gregg
6. Negotiating with Hamas
Rick Z ,   USA   (01.04.10)
Negotiation involves give and take. There has to be a cost for the other side and an advantage to your side. Right now, there is no cost to Hamas for firing rockets and mortars at Israel. There is no cost for continuing to hold Gilad Shalit, refusing even to let the Red Cross/Crescent to see him. Israel and "world opinion" are without any power in this, at present, other than bombing empty fields, and an occasional targeted assassination. What Israel CAN do: For each "unfriendly act" -- massively bomb a section of the tunnels under the Philadelphi Corridor. One rocket fired at Sedot, 1/4 km of tunnel crossings bombed with heavy munitions to collapse even the deep tunnels. Same for refusal to let the Red Cross see Shalit. Same for planting bombs on the Israeli border, sending suicide bombers, etc. Maybe be compassionate ... for the first week of this policy, issue a 15 minute warning ....
7. Please, please do all the things Bechor says...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.04.10)
...forget that the author mindlessly forgot that it was Israel that set the rules all these past years over prisoner swaps. The author also apparently thinks the readers will not remember the Hezbollah swap and all that it entailed - that swap alone upped the ante when it came to Hamas and Gilad Shalit. Everyone knows what is holding up the deal and who. Israel is stopping the whole thing over Bhargouti. Marwan Bhargouti would unite ALL the Palestinians, and after all, the whole Gaza Disengagement Plan sham was to split the Palestinians, not unite them.
8. very interesting, i like the idea of putting such pressure o
ralph   (01.04.10)
on hamas
9. Remember our heroes
Luis ,   Madrd Spain   (01.04.10)
Bored talk. Remember and act like David,Judas Maccabeo, Josue, Elias.... Thats the correct answer. God enlighten the chiefs of Israel.
10. Bechor is right on as far as he goes but
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.04.10)
I agree with Alex (#1). We have been much too reasonable.
11. Go one step further - institute the death penalty for anyone
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (01.04.10)
Go one step further - institute the death penalty for anyone serving multiple life sentences and make it retroactive to the first intifada. To be far we will allow them a chance in court to fight the death penalty, but anyone serving 5 life sentences should have a hard time proving he deserves to live. If we do not keep all these heavy prisoners, with lakes of blood on their hands, then we will not be blackmailed into releasing them. Let the Arab public understand that Hamas asking for someone to be released is the same as a death sentence for them. Also, there needs to be a media war against the claims that Gilad will become another Ron Arad. Unlike Ron we know who has Gilad and that he is alive. This means we know who is responsible should something happen to him. Start making the price high - if they want their heavy prisoners free make the cost a real peace treaty not prisoner swap.
12. Robert Haymond asks Israel to commit 3 war crimes...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.04.10)
...when he agrees with "alexi" who called for tit for tat political kidnapping to achieve a state political goal, war crime number one. Two, kidnap democratically elected leadership by military raid to achieve a favorable political objective, a war crime. And three, the violation of customary international law in calling for a "10-1" ratio of deaths to assuage Israeli revenge for rockets from the resistance to occupation and siege. Also, a war crime. And all possibly crimes against humanity under customary international law.
13. Terrorist prisoners.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (01.04.10)
In the war against terror, Human rights, a Judeo-Christian value, should be considered differently. Israel would do well to cancel the visits of Palestinian prisoners’ families, no longer allow detainees to complete their studies, and worsen their upgraded imprisonment conditions. Pressure on the part of Palestinian prisoners’ families would greatly assist in presenting Hamas as failing to do enough to free its prisoners. This could prompt the group to soften its positions on kidnapped Israeli soldiers. Israel should adapt to the new war as explained at : http://xrl.us/bi3q3
14. he is so right
ghostq   (01.04.10)
hamas care too much for blood shed he forgets his own people, they irony is the people who hurt pulis the most r Hamas, that what happebed when reveange back fire, they deicuded that they r above natur laws but nop, revange is never sweet it's a myth like the palis themselves.
15. to #7 until 2005 gaza wasn't in blockad
ghostq   (01.04.10)
oopsy you forgot that fact, so your theory is so un valid. while sderoth get 9 years of rockets. you tell me what on earth was their excuss until 2005, cause Israel did fill her end of the bargin and withraw from gaza no setelments there which now we know it was a mistake cause palis started with the rockets. as long as there were setelments there were no rockets. much like the withdraw from lebanon. after the withdraw Hizb started 2006 second war.
16. to #12 you r sick, cause 1 human life is too many
ghostq   (01.04.10)
what is 1 human life someone brother or sister, and among them were arab. imagin that someone is your relative and you would live in area of 9 years of rockets, and I saw the so call list of civilians who died in cast lead that the palis brought to the UN, in that list the names r many Hamas "soldiers" with their name and picturs. go check the facts before you blab, cause they even lie in their victim tole and identity.
17. Here's the fact, BBSNews (Mike Hess),
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.04.10)
we are going to survive. Where is your concern about Gilad Shalit? Wait, I forgot, you're just a two-bit Jew-hater who couldn't even keep your nasty website (BBSNews) alive. You appear to be a failure taking it out on an easy target. I'd call you a simple bully, Mike. You say you're and your partner are Cherokees, a remnant of those left behind on the "Trail of Tears". If you (and your partner, Kandy Ringer) are, Mike, why wouldn't you be able to identify with the many exoduses experienced by the Hebrew people and the terrible travesties beset on us? But you don't. You're constantly obsessed with Israel. There's something really wrong with you, Mike, I mean from a psychological perspective. It would be better if you were to avoid "contributing" to this website because you are nothing but an obscenity.
18. Interesting but more effective would be bunker busting bombs
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (01.04.10)
on the tunnels and let the people who voted for hamass try to find food. Gee, Israel could trade ten trucks of food for Shalit.
19. #12 Michael Hess
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (01.04.10)
They turned out to be " 'democratically' elected criminals''. Hamas are outlaws and a terrorist organization. Israel's actions would stand up in court. There would even be PA members and their families testifying against Hamas. You can put my name under alexi's and Robert's...with millions of others
20. Did you say "using our minds?"
Jojo ,   PRT WASH NY   (01.04.10)
Guy, I like your approach. It's logical, it makes sense and can be implemented immediately. The only problem is that our current Govt. lacks the 2 main ingredients " courage & determination"; in ample supply when picking " proper accommodations in Paris ". Isn't why they were elected?. Free education, TV, comic books?, phone calls, family visits, interviews for world media, great culinary experience -- Now that is what I call Israeli hospitality. I am surprised that are not getting their 72 whores in advance, why wait. Ah!, what a life. All this, while millions of their beloved " brothers " live in abject poverty, despair and, with obnoxious characters like ahmadino, haniyeh, nasrallah, no end in sight.
21. SHOULD WE LOSE TIME to create dilemmas ?
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (01.04.10)
Dilemma From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "A dilemma (Greek δί-λημμα "double proposition") is a problem offering at least two solutions or possibilities, of which none are practically acceptable; one in this position has been traditionally described as "being on the horns of a dilemma", neither horn being comfortable; or "being between a rock and a hard place", since both objects or metaphorical choices being rough. The dilemma is sometimes used as a rhetorical device, in the form "you must accept either A, or B"; here A and B would be propositions each leading to some further conclusion. Applied in this way, it may be a fallacy, a false dichotomy. In formal logic, the definition of a dilemma differs markedly from everyday usage. Two options are still present, but choosing between them is immaterial because they both imply the same conclusion. Symbolically expressed thus: Which can be translated informally as "one (or both) of A or B is known to be true, but they both imply C, so regardless of the truth values of A and B we can conclude C." Horned dilemmas can present more than two choices. The number of choices of Horned dilemmas can be used in their alternative names, such as two-pronged (two-horned) or dilemma proper , or three-pronged (three-horned) or trilemma, and so on. Constructive dilemmas-- 1. (If X, then Y) and (If W, then Z). 2. X or W. 3. Therefore, Y or Z. Destructive dilemmas-- 1. (If X, then Y) and (If W, then Z). 2. Not Y or not Z. 3. Therefore, not X or not W. .." *** SEE ! I LOST MY TIME WITH DILEMMAS PLEASE DONT LOSE YOURS :)
22. to #21 my dilema is either to call you
ghostq   (01.04.10)
looney or just to call you nutty.
23. Guy, Overcome your own Dilemmas or Impasses
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (01.04.10)
before trying to cause tangles for Hamas.
24. About time someone started talking sense!
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25. GO ALL THE WAY !!!.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Srbia.   (01.04.10)
Our enemy is far more sophisticated and versed in the art of negotiation than us. We have to create a situation in which every option before them is an evil, and they will have to choose the lesser one. In the meantime, it is the enemy that has created dilemmas for us. DEMAND SHALIT FREE, OR LET HAMAS FACE A TOTAL EXTERMINATION IN GAZA. Arn-Orao.
26. Bechor
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (01.04.10)
Bechor says that Israel should"draw a red line or make some ultimatum. The problem is that Israeli governments have no red lines and will always collapse under pressure. Israel can make any declaration, but has proven it will eventually succumb to any Arab demand. Remember how Rabin and Peres called division of Jerusalem treachery? Now even Netanyahu supports it. The only pressure Israel can put is irrevocably taking land from the Arabs. But as Sharon showed in Gush Katif and Samaria, Barak showed in Hebron, and now Netanyahu is showing in Judea and Samaria, there is nothing easier than ethnic cleansing of Jews from their homes and destroying their property.
27. Use the same logic for "Peace talks" with Abbas.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (01.04.10)
Meter for meter. For every "settler" that has to be removed from "Palestine" an arab is removed from Israel. We get 50% of all donations to create a palestinian state. Etc etc. I would take courage and determination .
28. ANY DİLEMMAS FOR CRYING MOTHERS OF MIDDLE EAST ?
ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU   (01.04.10)
YOU SEE ! EVEN ME FORGET THE IMPORTANT THINGS TIME TO TIME. LAST THURSDAY, I FORGOT TO ADD MY WISHES ABOUT THE MOTHERS TO MY WISH LIST FOR NEW YEAR OF 2010. *** everybody can forget everything BUT MOTHERS HEARTS a hurted mother lives with her pain all her life. if a mother gives her kid to terror THAT MOTHER LIVE WITH THAT TERROR PAIN. *** WE NEVER READ FROM THE MOTHERS. WE NEVER MET ARTICLES FROM THEM., YNET ! WHY NOT TO FIND THE MOTHERS AND ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND LET THEM TALK HERE WITH ARTICLES ? a hurted israeli mother a hurted palestinian mother a hurted lebaniese mother a hurted iraqi mother a hurted iranian mother a hurted pakistanian mother a hurted afganistanian mother a hurted american mother a hurted old yugoslovian mother a hurted africian mother a hurted .. a ... ... . simple life or simple us ?
29. :: Robert - #17
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (01.04.10)
Bob, from a psychological perspective, what would the correct term for someone who could not confront nor address an issue that made them ‘uncomfortable’? Obviously ‘Denial of fact’ pops to mind but is this the correct term for someone who cannot even address the issue to deny it? For example if I was to ask you: “Do you agree that the IDF have committed a War Crime by using Palestinian Civilians as Human Shields?” and you in return utterly refused to address the matter. Bob, as you have the ability to think critically and to act creatively, what would you call that from a psychological perspective? ‘Denial of actuality’/’Cowardice’/other? Also: Why are you looking for BBSNews to empathize with you when you have never empathized with the likes of the Palestinians who were exiled by Israelis from their land and refused the Right to Return? For example: "At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations." (Haganah military intelligence reports June 1948). Palestinians, like the Cherokee and Jews, were marched out of their villages/towns and sent into exile. Surely Bob you can empathize with this fact?
30. #atilla - too many palestinian mothers celebrate the death
rebecca ,   Modiin   (01.04.10)
Too many palestinian mothers celebrate the death of their sons (and daughters). They wrap them in explosives and send them to blow up Jewish chidren, and then accpt the congratulations (and $5000) for their child's marterdom. If palestinian mothers loved their children they would teach them to love, to make peace. They dont. PS - try make your posts more understandable. I am often not sure what you are saying.
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