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The Palestinians lied
Hagai Segal
Published: 08.01.10, 16:06
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31. Thanks Mohammed:
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.09.10)
I always open your postings with anticipation. Whether or not I agree with you, you always appear to be respectful, knowledgeable and sincere. Thank you.
32. not nice
Michael ,   Haifa   (01.09.10)
The writer is correct when he intimates that lying is not nice. But belonging to a Jewish terrorist group (which he once did) is also not very nice
33. piece-by-piece process
Dan David   (01.09.10)
The Arab cunning strategy of "piece-by-piece" process invented by archi-murderer Arafet and suported by handful of Jewish weaklings will not prevail. Everyone in his right mind knows that Arabs (including Egypt and Jordan) will not rest until Israel is destroyed.
34. #19 Ali:
Wildmandxb ,   M.E.   (01.09.10)
Are you proud of what you wrote? people like you are disgustingly ill-educated! I am from a Palestinian heritage and the last thing that i want is people like Hamas controlling my life! It is because of people like you we won't have peace...Do you think a group like Hamas will eventually succeed in destroying Israel? Really? How on earth do they brain-wash you people? I for one, refuse to live under islamic rule, i refuse to obey the rules of the disgusting dictatorship of Hamas leaders...You only think of destroying Israel instead of trying to improve your life in Gaza..you guys are pathetic! We want peace, and we shall have it.
35. In support of BBSnews
Dismayer ,   Australia   (01.09.10)
Your tireless efforts to tell the truth on here do not go unnoticed. In bizarro world where there is a concerted, and contrived government effort to pollute the internet comments sections of the world with hasbara tripe, a rare voice who speaks the truth is worth more than gold. I do note that of late the internet haganah have been making every effort to attack you personally, a most repulsive and dishonourable action indeed, and that it be done by those who dare call themselves of faith. BBSnews keep it up mate. We're listening. Oh - Haymond, keep using his real name in the hope that it'll stifle him - but guess what? The old tricks don't work any more. Enjoy the real world buddy.
36. Of course!
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.09.10)
Not the first time the Palestinians have lied -- it's actually rather a way of life for them. Most pathetic is the way they believe their own fiction, which is why they have achieved absolutely nothing in sixty-two years -- unless making giant strides backward can be considered an "achievement." Fortunately, the Palestinians are nothing if not entirely predictable. Which is extremely helpful to Israel, because it allows for very long-range planning. The United States is fairly predictable, too. We've known that probably from the get-go; and it was certainly reinforced in 1973. That's also been very helpful to Israel in terms of long-range planning. Anyone that believes that the United States can leverage Israel to get it to do the U.S.'s bidding needs to do some seriously rethinking. Israel will always try to accommodate the United States wherever possible, as long as existential issues are not involved. Where existential issues are involved, the United States is powerless to stop Israel. You'd think the U.S. would have figured that out by now. It will be fun to sit back and watch as the Palestinians fall right into the trap. Come into my parlor, said the spider to the fly ....
37. To: No. 1
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.09.10)
Actually, the Palestinians gave up Haifa because Israel kicked major Arab ass in the War of Independence, and every war ever since. But you go ahead and feel free to put any spin on it that you want. The Palestinians have always been their own worst enemy -- keep on believing your lies. Look where it has gotten the Palestinians in sixty-two years: absolutely nowhere. Keep up the good work.
38. palis lied
debbie ,   israel   (01.09.10)
Duh!!!! The Palestinians lied? "Despite past pledges?" Who in their right mind would take anything the Palis say seriously? They have no integrity or sense of honesty.
39. the palis lied
debbie ,   israel   (01.09.10)
The Palestinians never rejected any partition plan in 1947, because they didn't exist then. It was the neighboring countries that foolishly rejected it. Can anyone give the correct historical facts of when the entity "Palestinians" came into existence? I am very confused about this. Thanks
40. palis lied
debbie ,   israel   (01.09.10)
WILDMAN , with your attitude, hopefully you and your children will reap many benefits of peace, of good economy, job, and goodwill and cooperation between neighbors. I am sure Hamas could never speak for you. They are primitive hateful barbarians who want only to murder and destroy. Look at the shit they and their people live in. All they care about is smuggling arms to use against Israel. Why not food, educational supplies, and medicines instead? And why don't the people speak out against this?
41. Incorrect article.
Conker ,   Israel   (01.09.10)
The arabs always wanted the whole Israel, all this talk about borders 67, then 48 is just a step by step process. Arabs were always open and clear about their intentions - destroy Israel in the long run. The problem is with some delusioned people in Israel that close eyes on this simple fact. Here is one quote from Arafat : “We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. . . . We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem.”
42. Brad claims to have the answer!
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.09.10)
"One day, all of the lying, cheating, murder, rape, etc., will be at an end." Really? How are you going to accomplish such a feat there Brad?
43. Thank you Mohammad, well said
Potash Katiftof ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (01.09.10)
I found you postings and insights more interesting and informative than this article. ynet should make you a guest contributor. I have to apologize for my American brethren who said all Palestinians should be deported to Jordan. That is a foreigners' extreme point of view and those of us who live here understand why that inappropriate to even suggest.
44. #34 Sorry, I don't trust your theory
Raphael ,   Netanya   (01.09.10)
Why should the palestinian establishment ant their cronies seek any solution? May it be be peace, return of the refugees, compensation for lost properties,or even destruction of Israel and mass murder of its inhabitants. Any solution means: end of the refugee status, a 62 years' hereditary bonanza, end of Hamas/PLO powergrip, end of profitable victimization. They stick so much to this coomfortable status quo, that they did not even start the production of the offshore Gaza gas, lest this could give their population a financial autonomy and lift Hamas' control on humanitarian aid.
45. Sarah B
Gazan ,   Canada   (01.09.10)
It's funny because from my reading of Israeli history itself (as revealed by the Israeli military archives which were declassified in the 80's), Palestinians who lived in Haifa were driven into the sea - quite literally. They were chased by Haganah militia firing over their heads from the rooftops. Many drowned. Maybe you should start backing up your statements, Sarah, because the racism is starting to stink in here.
46. To: No. 45
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.09.10)
I invite you to document that particular tidbit, especially in light of the fact that Haifa city has a fairly large Arab population; Haifa district has the largest concentration of Arabs in Israel. Your story stinks on many levels. Like I said -- I invite you to document your source. Since you claim that you came by this bit of "knowledge" from declassified Israeli military archives, that is where I expect the documentation to come from, not from some trash "newspaper" in Gaza, okay?
47. Help the Palestinians return to Egypt(Genesis 10-13&14)
sam ,   USA   (01.10.10)
48. So, Why,
Ken ,   Australia   (01.10.10)
Why is this the case , when are we going to finally understand that underneath all this bullshit - There really is not a people called the palestuns or what ever you want to call them, give them more and you will be calling the place - PALESTERIA::::::, every jew on the planet will be living with palesteria in a phsychotic world just gone completly insane. Stop world wide insanity Please, there are no such thing as these people they are jordanians and egyptians, we know this , if you sign this final staus thing with a totally defufunct entity, there is only one outcome - PALESTERIA - Time to open the last gate of hell in the holy land, SO give them nothing.
49. lol
Gazan ,   Canada   (01.10.10)
You're sadly mistaken if u think I read "some trash newspaper in Gaza" lol. The expulsion of Haifa's residents is documented in Israeli historians Benny Morris and Ilan Pappe's books, of which they derived the info from the Israeli military archives. If you're going to dismiss the historians' works, you'll have to prove them wrong. It is also documented in the oral history of survivors, but why would a racist take the word of an Arab anyway lol. Haifa's residents being made up of many Arabs does not mean that the expulsion didn't happen. There are always those who manage to remain, and there's population growth. Nakba denial is very shameful.
50. To: No. 49
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.10.10)
Benny Morris and Ilan Pappe? May as well have gotten your lies from some trash Gaza newspaper. Whatever happened to your claimed declassified military sources? No one is denying the "Naqba." You do need to admit that your "naqba" was entirely of Arab making. Those Arabs that heeded the call to leave their homes to make way for the "conquering Arab armies" remain refugees to this day, your Arab brethren having failed to resettle you. Those Arabs that did not heed the call are Israeli citizens to this day, enjoying all of the rights and not all of the obligations, such as military service, although I note for the record that increasing numbers of Arabs are opting to do national service. Oral history of survivors? Is that the best you can do? You've invented enough nonexistent fruit orchards and olive groves to populate seven countries -- truth is not exactly a Palestinian strength. You've told the same lies for so long, you've actually come to believe them yourselves. FACT: The Palestinians have three times rejected offers of a two-state solution. FACT: All six Arab-Israeli wars were initiated by Arabs. Shouldn't go to war unless you are really, really sure you can win. FACT: The Palestinians have engaged in over sixty years of unrelenting terror against Israelis and Jews generally including but not limited to loathsome suicide bombings, kidnappings of Israeli soldiers, and daily missile barrages -- six year from Hizbollah and eight years from Gaza. FACT: Palestinians have brutally attacked innocent Jewish civilians at checkpoints, while waiting for a bus, and simply going from one place to another. FACT: Each of the thirty-odd organizations which purport to be the sole true representative of the Palestinian people have charters which call for the destruction of the State of Israel and the extermination and/or expulsion of the Jewish people. It would be very shameful were you to deny ANY of the foregoing. It would be equally shameful were you to deny that the Palestinians and their Arab brethren bear responsibility for the situation of the Palestinian people. No amount of lies changes that. Isn't it time that you simply accepted the truth about yourselves and your extremely poor choices instead of trying to rewrite history and varnish the truth in an attempt to make it more palatable to yourselves? History is what it is; not what you think it should be.
51. #42 BBSNews
nr ,   los angeles, usa   (01.10.10)
There's one too many "B"s in your title.
52. "The yellow badge (or yellow patch)",
ilan ,   nazareth   (01.10.10)
"The yellow badge (or yellow patch)", was first introduced in ISLAMIC countries to subrogate jews,christians and bahai from the local ISLAMIC population long before the NAZIS! 60% of the jews in israel ("mizrahi jews") are refugees from ISLAMIC countries! the first documented massacre in the holy land is the Hebron massacre 1929. google "Jewish exodus from Arab lands" "yellow badge" "plunder of Safed 1834" "Farhud" "Dhimmi" "Tiberias massacre"
53. 50 Sarah still smokin' that Burning Bush sh*t girl?
lydia ,   Bribane   (01.10.10)
FACT Israel is in contravention of numerous UN resolutions FACT the Arab Israeli Wars were preemptive wars, the only kind of war that Israel fights. FACT Israel has spent 60years murdering Palestinians to steal their land. Fact Israel has killed more Palestinians than 8years of primitive rockets launched in defense of Israel occupation and genocide of the Palestine. FACT Israel slaughters innocent Palestinian women and children daily with sophisticated US weaponry. FACT Ever read Israels charters for the annihilation of the Palestinians. Your FACTS are pure hasbara and couldn't stand the light of day and Shame surely lies with your lot who believes they can blatantly circumvent the truth and replace it with your own delusion particularly in today's environ when the 'World according to the jews' have been debunked as unadulterated Chutzpah. However one thing we both can agree on is that History is definitely not what your lot of false jews wish it to be.
54. To: No. 53
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.10.10)
FACT: The Palestinians have on three occasions rejected an offer of a two-state solution. One can only conclude that they are not interested in such a solution. FACT: Five Arab armies attacked the nascent State of Israel one day after Israel's declaration of statehood. They lost. FACT: In 1956, Nasser closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli commercial shipping. That's an act of war; Israel retaliated, and won. FACT: In May 1967, Nasser again closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli commercial shipping. Again, that is an internationally-recognized casus belli (act of war). Israel's strike against Egypt on June 5, 1967 was purely retaliatory. Jordan attacked Israel, as did Syria. Israel emerged victorious. Too bad for the Arabs and for you. FACT: Egypt instigated and tried to maintain an extremely costly (for them) "War of Attrition" against Israel. Egyptian casualties were so bad and the loss of materiel so extensive, it prompted Nasser's fatal heart attack. Adieu. FACT: On the holiest day of the Jewish calendar in 1973, Egypt and Syria attacked Israel. Once Israel regrouped, the Egyptians were thrashed and Israeli troops landed on the West Bank of the Suez. The Syrians, too, were beaten back. FACT: In 1982, following years of daily shelling and rocket attacks to the north of Israel, Israel responded with force and, I might add, came to the aid of the beleaguered Christians in southern Lebanon, who were being routinely masacred by the Palestinians. Israel cleaned up the mess in Lebanon, saved the Christians from certain extermination and forced the PLO out of Lebanon. FACT: Palestine was a dismal backwater of the Ottoman Empire, barely populated, until the Jews of the First and Second Aliyahs purchased the land from absentee Ottoman owners, drained the swamps, reclaimed the desert and made the land inhabitable. The Palestinans are not indigenous to the region -- they are semi-Nomadic tribes that come from the Hejaz in Western Arabia, and only found Palestine desirable or habitable when the Jews lovingly restored the land. All that nonsense about "olive groves" and "fruit orchards" is nothing more than the product of an overactive Palestinian imagination. FACT: Israel is a sovereign state with an affirmative obligation to protect and defend its citizens and its borders. If the Palestinians continue to launch terrorist attacks against Israel, they must expect an Israeli reprisal. FACT: There is no Israeli charter with respect to Palestinians. On the other hand, there are approximately thirty Palestinian charters which call for the destruction of the State of Israel and the extermination and/or expulsion of the Jews. FACT: You are a delusional garden-variety Jew hater and Israel hater who is remarkably uninformed about the history of the Middle East. Your alleged “facts” are not in the least bit factual. You will have to do better than spout Palestinian fiction if you wish to be taken seriously on this Forum.
55. to #27 no he is not do you know even the history of
ghostq   (01.10.10)
the city, in the ottoman era the city was 75% chritians and 25% jewish the walls of the city were ruined completely, y would palestinian claim city that was never belong to them even in the ottoman era, mmm before the ottoman the city was created by the vhritian Carmelite order, was chritian monastery, so before you blab learn your own history, and if you look at ancient times the area including akko was under phenitian ruling aka greek. again not palis. go look it up I dare you.
56. to #1 Mohamed /Jordan
dotan ,   Montreal Canada   (01.10.10)
discossions when Hamas (see Ali's comments) on the one side and PLO/PA on the other have not worked in the interest of the Palestinian people. How about having the Hashemite Kingdom incorporating WBank and Gaza. The whole world will contribute to building an economy for the benefit of the people. War and terror do not pay!
57. Annex Judea & Samaria and pay Arabs to leave.
Chaim ,   Israel   (01.10.10)
The solution to our problem couldn't be simpler. Judea and Samaria have belonged to the Jews for more than 3,500 years. Jews are a growing majority in Israel, including Judea and Samaria, as many highly credible Israeli and American studies prove. What should Israel do? Annex Judea and Samaria and pay Arabs to leave. Most Judea and Samaria Arabs have been telling pollsters for decades that they want to leave. The Gulf States and Canada are their preferred destinations. It is win/win for everyone. For Israel, it is a one time investment with permanent returns. This would be a peace process we can believe in.
58. Unlike you, Dismayer, BBSNews,
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.10.10)
Michael Hess, has used his real name in his own posts and has made it altogether possible, under any circumstances, to allow himself to be identified by revealing his (former) website. As much as I object to, and despise him, I do hold a kind of respect for Hess because he makes no bones about being identified, unlike you.
59. Sarah
Gazan ,   Canada   (01.10.10)
Benny Morris and Ilan Pappe are only a few who have documented the expulsion of Palestinians from their homes. They got their information from the Israeli military archives. I didnt claim to have access to the archives myself, but it is typical for someone on the losing side of the argument to make such a demand lol. If you can't prove the historians wrong, and would rather simply dismiss them, that's your problem. Yes, you do deny the Nakba. Blaming the victims for their own tragedy is a form of denial. There are no documented cases of Arab leaders telling the Palestinians to leave to make way for the Arab armies. However, there are cases of local leaders telling people to leave for their safety as a warning of the incoming Zionist forces, which is only natural. Don't confuse the two for your justification of land confiscation. In fact, there were calls from Arab leaders for Palestinians to stay or else they would be labelled traitors. If Arab Israelis were enjoying all the rights, Israel wouldn't have rejected a bill for equal distribution of land between Jews and Arabs just last week. And Arab Israeli leaderd wouldn't be fighting for equal rights and inclusion every day of their lives. That's another denial on your behalf.
60. Wow, another Ozzie Israel-hating moonbat, I'm truly dismayed
Nemesis   (01.10.10)
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