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US official: Mitchell didn't threaten Israel
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 10.01.10, 07:17
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31. sounds exactly like...
Pamela Huyser ,   Be'er Sheva   (01.10.10)
Israelis and Palestinians--talking out of both sides of the mouth. Maybe he's spending too much time in the ME and it's rubbing off on him.
32. #24 American arrogance reigns supreme
Yaniv ,   Israel   (01.10.10)
Israel single-handedly won two major wars before seeing a penny from the U.S. As the 4th largest weapons and military exporter in the world and with our counter-terrorism, low-intensity combat know-how, if we cut military ties with you, you would suffer an EQUAL or GREATER setback in the war on terrorism than we would. Stop pretending that we need you more than you need us. Don't confuse our size with helplessness. We are trade partners and strategic allies, not big and little brothers.
33. To: Cameron at No. 15
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.10.10)
It really isn't spiteful. The United States pressured Israel into canceling an extremely lucrative weapons deal with China and more recently, with the Republic of Georgia. So Israel is supposed to adhere to US economic and geopolitical concerns, but it is perfectly alright for the United States to arm Israel's sworn enemies? On the basis of a casual U.S. "oh, they won't use those arms against you; we won't let them" which does not even rise to the level of a promise, let alone a guarantee. Hell, isn't it all those weapons supplied to Pakistan and to Afghanistan and to Iraq that are now being used against Americans? The U.S. cannot keep those weapons from being used against U.S. troops, but Israel is supposed to really believe that the United States could stop American weapons from being used against Israel? That doesn't pass the laugh test, Cameron. Besides, I'm not all that sure that an American "promise" or "guarantee" is worth much, these days, given the current inhabitant of the White House. But the U.S. doesn't want Israel to reap the economic benefit of an arms deal with China and the U.S. doesn't want to upset the Russians, so Israel must pay the price by canceling a proposed arms deal with the Republic of Georgia. In the category of "what have you done for me lately," it would appear that Israel has done pretty much whatever the U.S. has demanded; the reverse is not the case. The U.S. has no right to interfere in Israel's sales of Israeli-invented and Israeli-manufactured weapons systems. Yet it does, and then turns around and threatens to cut off economic aid to Israel if Israel does not engage in "peace negotiations" with an entity that is sworn to the destruction of the State of Israel. Obama administration logic at its best, which is to say, not very logical at all. So, say the United States cuts off the aid because Israel does not want to "neogitate" with people who claim to want to live in peace with Israel yet steadfastly refuse to renounce their charters calling for Israel's destruction and equally steadfastly refusing to publicly acknowledge Israel's right to exist in its ancient homeland. Israel will put that $18 billion weapons deal with China back on the table. $2.2 billion in U.S. aid as opposed to an $18 billion arms deal with China? Tack on an additional $7 billion by concluding the agreement with the Republic of Georgia, and – well – you do the math. That one's a no-brainer, Cameron. Very beneficial to Israel; maybe not so beneficial to the United States, but who cares? The U.S. is hell-bent on pushing Israel into very nonbeneficial "negotiations;" why should Israel care about what may not be so beneficial to United States interests?
34. Only matched by Israeli pompousness & bluster, #32
Cameron ,   USA   (01.10.10)
Not terribly impressed with your "expertise" in low-level, counter-insurgency operations. Hiding behind walls & sandbags? Always waiting for the enemy to make the first move, and take the initiative? Pro-active & decisive it ain't. You lot are sounding absolutely spooked as Hell these days.
35. Good old Shamir days
eddie ,   london UK   (01.10.10)
when Israel would defy America and Europe when Israel would determine its own territory and borders when Israel was firm about its own Capital when it was safe ot get on a bus or drive a car in Israel or the Yesh(a) when Israel would deter terrorists when Israel's enemies feared and respected Israel when leaders were honorable, and did not amass wealth from dirty deals when Israel would not negotiate with terrorists when Israel woudl stand up to bullies in the West
36. Sounding spooked as Hell #34
mark ,   Israel   (01.10.10)
We do?? I live here and I haven't noticed
37. Impressive fire-breathing as always, Sarah
Cameron ,   USA   (01.10.10)
But always we come back to the cold, unchanging reality that the weight & influence of the US upon the planet keeps Israel from spiralling into the most despised and hated of states. Is Israel that eager to make the leap into the bleak quality of being truly alone & forsaken? Will the future look promising as a true pariah state facing a legion of enemies? Tread carefully, and consider carefully what you may lose forever if you do not.
38. To: Cameron at No. 37
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.10.10)
Cameron, the cold unchanging reality is that the only thing that will make the international community happy would be for Israel to cease to exist. Israel has simply replaced the Jewish people as the target of convenience for its incomprehensible hatred. I am sure you do not need me to recount what had been done to the Jewish people prior to the establishment of the modern State of Israel. The fact, Cameron, is that the only reason the United States and other countries supported the creation of the modern State of Israel is because they felt it only fair to toss the Jews a small bone in the aftermath of the Holocaust. No one -- including the United States -- ever seriously expected that Israel would survive. But survive Israel did, quite nicely. Israel has been a rather useful tool of the United States -- with the Arabs being armed by the Soviets, Israel's wars provided a nice battle test as to how Western weaponry would do against the Soviets. The outcomes of these wars were a contributing factor to why the Soviets never came charging into the West. Not to mention the fact that Israel provided the United States with its first look at the MIG-21 and MIG-23, and its first look at the Soviet T-72 tank, which was the mainstay tank in Soviet armored divisions arrayed against the West. This at a time when there was nothing in the NATO arsenal capable of penetrating the armor of the T-72. In 1982, the Israeli Air Force shot down over 80 Soviet-supplied Syrian MIGs. Most of the pilots, by the way, were Soviet, not Syrian. The Cold War was still in progress in 1982, you will recall, and that little show of air power kept an increasingly desperate Soviet Union from invading Western Europe. Given the unreasonable United States demands upon Israel to "negotiate" with enemies sworn to the destruction of Israel; given the constant threats to withhold aid which really is not necessary to Israel's survival, given the current administration's open wooing of the Islamofascist and Arab world -- it is pretty hard to find something in all that which is NOT bleak. The Jews have always been a pariah people, despite phenomenal contributions in any number of fields. Did you know that Jewish professors, scientists, doctors, musicians and even Nobel laureates perished in the concentration camps? Did you know that the Jewish physicists that escaped Europe came to the United States and built America's nuclear program? The pariah status of Jews has only been transferred to the State of Israel; it has not gone away. I cannot speak to why -- I am Jewish. It is for non-Jews to examine their consciences and determine why they harbor such unreasonable hatred of Jews. We're used to it, Cameron. It really is not all that credible a fear, and it is certainly not a credible threat. If you think that the United States would fare better with the assorted Arab and Islamic regimes in the Middle East a allies, fine, go for it. If you really think that all the vitriol that has poured out of Arab and Islamic capitals with respect to the United States will change, well -- that's a risk that you'll just have to be prepared to take. When I think of all the terrorist acts visited upon the United States and American interests throughout the world by these same Islamofascist and Arab interests, I wonder why anyone would think that they would make wonderful allies but, again, that would be a risk that the U.S. would have be prepared to take. Contemplate the possibility, Cameron, that it is the United States that needs to do tread carefully. Not a single American has died coming to the aid of Israel. Think of all the Americans that have died coming to the aid of assorted Arab and Islamic regimes who have been most ungrateful and consider carefully what America has already lost, and what it may lose forever.
39. ari in LA, I sent your comment to President Obama...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.10.10)
...I think it is very important for our President to see just what kind of people you are. You are going to arm US enemies? Fine. Good luck with that...
40. Cameron, she is an enemy to Israel and the US...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.10.10)
41. He said it ??
Joe Klien ,   USA   (01.10.10)
If he did not mean it why did he say it. OK then if that happens no repayment of the loans.
42. If Aid was frozen or stopped or embargo
Joe Klien ,   USA   (01.10.10)
Then Jordan will be destabilized by Israel and also transfer could become a viable option. Must I also remind the Israel haters on this thread that many American aerospace jobs would be endangered because all of the aid is spent in the states and also Israel would be forced to use Nukes in the next war.
43. To: Ari in L..A.
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.10.10)
The clown has sent so many comments to President Obama, I'm sure the Secret Service has developed quite a file on him. I agree with you whole-heartedly. If the United States arms the sworn enemies of Israel, there is no reason why that cannot be a two-way street.
44. Sarah B
Truthseeker ,   USA   (01.10.10)
It really would not be difficult to come to the conclusion that your allegiance lies more with Israel than with the United States. At least all your comments show that. Why do you even stay in this country if, as it seems, you prefer Israel. I would say that your loyalty to the U.S. might just be in question if you want Israel to sell weapons to those countries that oppose us. This is a traitorous statement as is that of Ari from L.A.
45. Oh, she's alright, BBS
Cameron ,   USA   (01.10.10)
Yeah, the "Masada complex", and anti-US drumbeat by Sarah gets on my nerves, but that extends out of a combination of nationalist pride & true uneasyness over the future. Perfectly understandable in these uptight times of ours, and Hell, that condition is working on most of us babbling away here in YNET land. No, man, she & I both fundamentally realize, at the end of the day, that the US & Israel are indispensible for eachother at this point in history, and that a fundamental break would be staggeringly, grim stupid for both players. Logic & common interests rule against it. The US & Israel are, whatever the future brings, joined together at the hip, and those ties that bind will not be tossed severed by either party. Nothing wrong with Sarah & I baring our fangs at eachother, and tossing various facts and realities on the table for the other to mull over. The Obama years will be years of stress & jockeying about for both nations, but I do not honestly see the US-Israel alliance in true jeopardy, or hanging in the balance. The Obama years are just a passing moment in time, and there is just too much at stake for his administration, or the Israelis, to seriously attempt to unravel that key, needful alliance.
46. Mitchell's Freeze Threat to Israel
Karen Heston ,   Charleston USA   (01.11.10)
Who's freezing the US???
47. To: No. 44
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.11.10)
I am a citizen of the United States, by birth. As such, I do believe I have a right to freely express my opinions. Frankly, I never thought that it would come to having to make a choice, but should that day come, I choose Israel. Until then, the United States is more than happy to allow my First Amendment freedoms and the United States government, the State of New York and the County of New York are more than happy to accept my and my husband's tax dollars, which run into the mid to high six figures. Why is it acceptable for the United States to provide weapons to countries that claim to be actively in a State of War with Israel but not acceptable for Israel to provide weapons to countries which the United States finds objectionable? Half of U.S. military exports to Islamic and Arab regimes end up in the hands of Al Qaeda. Perhaps the United States ought to sue itself for such traitorous acts!
48. Sarah B again
Truthseeker ,   USA   (01.11.10)
You have more than proved my point. Your primary loyalty lies with Israel. During the McCarthy years people who preferred the Soviet Union to the United States often found themselves in trouble. Your type of belief if held by the majority of American Jews, and thank goodness they aren't, could certainly be the basis for the rise of anti-Semitism in this country. And people like you would be to blame. As for supplying weapons around the world I believe that what we and other countries do in supplying weapons is an abomination. I agree with Martin Luther King's statement that the U.S. is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world. Israel runs a close second. Take the profits out of armaments and there would be far less desire to supply these hideous weapons.
49. To: No. 46
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.11.10)
No one is "freezing" the United States, except perhaps Great Britain, France and Germany. India and Pakistan are grabbing aid hand over fist, which is given contrary to United States law, which precludes aid to nuclear powers which have refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Venezuela has been trash talking a great deal, which is rather a contravention of United States Monroe Doctrine policy and America's good friends the Saudis have been routinely jacking up the price of Arabian light crude despite a conplete and total dependence upon the United States for its physical security. There are the usual accusations from the usual Islamofascist suspects calling the United States the "Great Satan" even while the United States has been pathetically bending over backwards to mend fences who people who would like nothing better than to see the United States brought to its knees and American servicemen and women have been dying in the defense of these same Islamofascist and Arab regimes. There! Trust I've addressed your question.
50. To: Cameron at No. 45
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.11.10)
You are, of course, quite right. I am as loyal an American as any. I am also Jewish. There should be no disconnect between Jews (and, by extension, Israelis) and Americans. There isn't one, except the one that the current administration seems intent upon creating. There is a major disconnect between Islamofascist and Arab regimes and the United States, and it is a disconnect that is not really bridgeable. Americans and Islamofascist and Arab regimes share nothing in common. It is impossible to understand why the United States would want to impose destructive actions on its -- when you think about it -- most loyal and dependable of allies. The Palestinians are not motivated by peace, and they are not peaceful. They have also instigated six wars (all won by Israel) and engaged in sixty-plus years of terror. The two-state solution that the United States seems determined to impose has been rejected three times by the Palestinians already. I admire American forebearance, but it shouldn’t be at Israel’s expense. That is not how one treats one’s friends. By sharp contrast, the Saudis are nothing but a dependent and demanding client state of the United States that would disappear in moments without an American military presence. Despite everything that Saudi Arabia owes to the United States, it actively supports jihadist activities, very much at the expense of the United States, in order to preserve peace on the Saudi home front. All the while jacking up the price of Arabian light crude -- how "loyal" is that? The facts are not much different with respect to any other Islamic and Arab regime which the United States actively supports and sends Americans to their deaths in order to preserve. And what can democratic United States possibly have in common with regimes that tolerate slavery, the complete subjugation of women and conducts agonizing executions in public? And that's the positive part! It gets a lot worse when you examine the goings on in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Kuwait, Egypt and Jordan. Allies are supposed to treat one another with respect. The United States has not done that very much of late when it comes to Israel. No matter what anyone may think, the fact remains that the United States is heavily dependent upon Israeli intelligence in the region, and takes a great deal while giving nothing in return. Anger, frustration, resentment -- yes. That I acknowledge. But fear? No. Never fear. How do you scare a people who survived Auschwitz and murderous rioting Arab and Moslem hordes and managed to buld a modern and thriving state and advanced society despite all the wars, despite all the terror? That’s easy -- you don't. You can't.
51. Sarah, the Obama years will simply have to be endured
Cameron ,   USA   (01.11.10)
Simply play it cool & smooth until we can run him out the door. He is but a moment in time, and the winds shall blow. Here today, and gone tomorrow. Patience.
52. Genesis 12:3
j smith ,   Columbus Ohio U.S.A   (01.11.10)
I will bless those who bless you,(Israel) and whoever curses you I will curse;
53. Abbas Peace Talks
Joseph Jones ,   Brooklyn USA   (03.28.10)
As soon as Abbas gets the West Bank(Ancient Jewish Biblical Land of Judea and Samaria)and the ownership of East Jerusalem claimed by dream state of Muhammed. Hamas will throw out Abbas as easily as Gaza. You are dealing with proxies of Hamas and socialist Muslim stooge Obscene Obama. Israel tell the US to shove their money.
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