...just the same as the others before him. And there were talkbacks here following other article in agreement of his anti-gay pronoucements, where I commented "just you wait!" So there's another antisemite amongst the saints. Big hairy deal. What were you expecting?

You entirely missed my point. These are evil men. There is nothing positive about evil men yet you look for good in evil men. My point about Hitler was an ironic one. He felt compassion for hungry mice. Yet he could find no compassion for the millions of Jews he and his henchmen tortured, worked, starved and gassed to death. Only a sick mind can find good in men who love their own children even as their murder innocent Jewish children. No Charles, yours is the sickly mind. In all my reading, I have yet to find one (not one) instance where Pius ordered Catholics to help Jews. Yet you cite this apologist, Martin Gilbert, who provides no proof Pius ordered Catholics to save Jews from the Nazis. There were several foolish Jews who praised Pius after the war. Yet you see good in this evil man. The rabbis had an expression in this respect: "He who is merciful to the cruel, will end the end be cruel to the merciful."

You are looking for good in an evil man; in Pope Pius XII. You maintain he gave orders to save Jews during the Nazi roundup of Jews "under his very windows" in Rome. I'm saying no evidence of this has been presented by the Vatican, but let us (for the sake of argument) explore the possibility that Vatican orders are found if and / or when Benedict or some future pope opens the archives to scholarly examination. This would not make this evil man you are defending a good man.

Thank you for your nice words . Yes , i'm trying to be objective , not easy . You have to know that for every hiden person you needed a vast quantity of generous Gentiles , ready to help . Some were believing Christians , other atheists , but all of them with great Humanity . The Priest who has hiden me [ i know his name only since 2005 ] had opened a home for boys from "problem" families in the 1930's , then he received boys from the Spanish civil war , and then as if it was natural Jewish ones . His activities were certainly known by the cardinal , his home was in front of the cardinal's palace . He was arrested for one night , but released unharmd .

to point fingers to strangers,to people unrelated to you,and charge them if they keep or not Shabbat??Who the hell do you think you are?? You have certainly reached the point of wearing a straitjacket,as you are absolutely blind to the separation between YOU and the OTHER. I am pretty sure your family have received psychiatric counselment to keep you under a computer as occupational terapy ,in order to keep you quiet.What the psychiatrist can not imagine is that you are giving a break to your family, instead of being kept in a house of lunatics,but,instead, you are causing damage with your diseased mind even through Internet. Listen person,it is YOU who was baptized by the priest who hid you in Germany,or somewhere in Europe.No priest would keep a child without giving him a baptism and the result you clearly show,because you defend the Church and its clergymen in a way that only a TRUE catholic can do,while you BASH,OFFEND,SLANDER,those of the faith you lie in saying you belong to. YOU are a catholic.A pure catholic and your love for them ,as well as your projected written rhetoric show that. I told you already,you lack the ability to differenciate between you and the other and ALL you say belong to your self.YOU are the son of a shikse;YOU,for sure, have received a baptism.What you accuse and slander people in this Forum belong to YOUR realm,to YOUR reality,and nobody’s else. I have also told you already that one can be the son of a curve speaking yiddish shikse and think he is a Jew.But he is not.There are, and always were, ways to cheat rabbis. Nowadays what proves one to be a Jew is more his/her behavior and faith in ONE G-d than enything else. If one keeps insisting he is a jew DOES NOT MAKE HIM A JEW! In your case,it just shows an schysophrenic behavior. About the Petah Tikva’s town hall refusal to receive your "yiddish"name.. .What happened??? Did you give them a name of a catholic saint as ,for example the HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR CHARLES V, and they didn't accept it because that was not in the list of the saints they had there??Is that??? What an absurd you talking about!!! Since when one in Israel needs an "attest"to prove an Hebrew name.An Hebrew name is an Hebrew name,but ut of course a devoted catholic as you are, don't know that. Moses didn't speak Yiddish to his people as you affimed,Charles.Only a VERY crass ignorant simple man can state such a thing-OMG!!! And finally,the fact that you have THREE grandchildren that had BarMitzvah does not prove you are a jew. As I told you before ,one can have a mother,a grandmother ,a gran gran mother who was a curve yiddish speaking shikse and this individual can think he is a jew. This is only an example ;there are many examples on how one can live a whole life pretending to be a jew and not be one at all. What proves nowadays one to be a Jew IS HIS BEHAVIOR more than anything else!!!

"The Priest who has hiden me [ i know his name only since 2005 ] had opened a home for boys from "problem" families in the 1930's ". You belong to a problem family since you were born. It's no news. It has only get worst! G-d forbid just to pass in your neighborhood that must have the whole air poluted by the presence of you and "your problem family"!

"I can't discuss with a sick person , with an dishonest , with someone who sees only one sentence in a tb to condemn the whole " You are AGAIN talking about yourself. Nobody in this Forum has the ability,the talent,to take things out of context as you have ,to afterwards use them IN A DISHONEST MANNER!!!! YOU ARE THE KING CHARLES IN THAT!!!

reaches slighty near to you in the lack of ability to see things in a wider context. YOU ARE AGAIN THE KING IF STRAIT,VERY STRAIT NARROW MIND!! One WHO fervently wishes to take part in intellectual discussions ,must have intellectual capabilities to so ,otherwise one becomes a object of joke. A CLOWN!!!

"I came back from Auschwitz on my own. I lost my mother, two sisters and one brother. Pius XII could have warned us about what was going to happen. We might have escaped from Rome and joined the partisans. He played right into the Germans' hands. It all happened right under his nose. But he was an anti-Semitic pope, a pro-German pope. He didn't take a single risk. And when they say the Pope is like Jesus Christ, it is not true. He did not save a single child." Settimia Spizzichino, the sole Roman Jewish woman survivor from the death camps

One of the [ around ] thousand who were deported . What was the fate of the other Roman Jews ? They were saved or not ?

My references : # 1 Yad Vashem encyclopedia of the Holocaust and # 2 enc. of Jewish life before and duriing the Holocaust . # 1 Pius Xii : ....it is possible that he ordered catholic institutions to provide aid to Jews . # 2 Rome : in 1936 the J. pop. of R. was 13000 . The roundup of Jews began during the night of 15-16 oct. 43 . 1259 J * were seized and deported . During the 9 months the germans occupied Rome 2091 Jews were deported . Only 73 men and 28 women returned . So there were 101 survivors , not only ONE . How did the 10,000+ who were not deported SAVED ? I ask it to you . Explain , with references , not one witness I don't know how the Jews who were saved thanks to the pope** were ADVICED to hide at the vatican and other catholic institutions , but i know that even the Danish resistance did'nt manage to save the whole Jewish population . They probably could'nt reach all of them either . ** Till a proof is given that he did'nt order it , or that no Jews were hiden there . You see Steve , i have also some books , not only the Gilbert you hate . Your reference for one survivor , where did you take it ? And a "leftist" praising a pope ? a pope who was an anticommunist ! Be serious , Steve . You have maybe some books , but try to read them correctly , and completely , not the way you have read my first TB , only what fitted you .

"Disaster struck early in the mourning of the Sabbath October 16, 1943. In the cold rain of a dreary dawn, German SS security police and military police surrounded the former ghetto of Rome and began knocking on every door.....1259 people had been transported to a temporary detention center in the Italian Military College...less than a half mile from the Vatican City. (A proper warning would have saved many of them.) "At the Military College that same afternoon, the prisoners were screened. THERE IS NO evidence of Vatican intervention in this screening process. "About 1,023 people remained after the screening. In the early morning hours of October 18, these unfortunates were driven to the city's Tiburtina Station. There they were crammed into freight cars and transported to Auschwitz. Within a week, all but 149 men and 47 women had been gassed and burned in the camp crematoria. Of the 196 admitted to the camp, seventeen returned after the war. They included sixteen men and one woman." ("Under His Very Windows," Susan Zuccotti, page 155-156) I don't "hate" Martin Gilbert Charles.

or at least : misinformed . the sole survivor of a group of 50 women , yes . On sept. 11 1945 S. Spi. arrived home where she found her father and two sisters who had survived . www.telegraph.co.uk

I have heard of cases about “problem” families boys, like you, who were taken by Catholic priests who promissed to protect them from the evils of war and they did not only "protect"the boys by giving them baptism but gave them much much more. These priests were after discovered as gay pedophiles from the Church. Still nowadays there are many. Church is moralist,but what they do behind the curtains is awfull! As you are so learned about Catholic matters,explain to us what happened to those boys,in case you know what I am talking about.

Those boys of "problem families" i was talking about were NOT Jewish , But you , with your christian favela origins [ you said it ! remember ] can't understand it . I will not fall as low and say anything about your parents , they were already punished enough by having such a stupid hatefull girl .

Now you confess that those problem families boys to which you belong,were NOT JEWISH,with clear words: “Those boys of "problem families" i was talking about were NOT Jewish” YOU ARE NOT A JEW,COMMING FROM YOUR OWN MOUTH!!!! You are a liar!That’s why you project in others YOUR problems because YOU are not a Jew,according to your own words. Charles ,you are a BIG fake.What you preach to others is exactly related to your own sins.You are a BIG fake!!! You don’t hide anymore you catholic roots ,Charles.Now,you confessed!!!

And illiterate , LIAR , hatefull Shikse . Where did i wrote that i was from a "problem family" ? I said that he first , in the 30 opened a home for such boys [ i was'nt born yet ] then he received boys from the Spanish civil war , and then naturally Jewish boys . My parents were not converts to catholicism as your's were , And you WROTE it , LITERALLY , not a distortion of your words , you said it . I will not say anything about your parents , they are punished more than enough by having such a "daughter" .

I Jerusalem there was a "rebbe" known to perform miracles . One day , while walking around he met a Jew who was crying . "what happens ? Why are you crying ?" "my wife Gave birth , and the baby died" , not at all said the Rebbe , go and you will see your new born boy in good health . Walking farther , another person was crying . What"s with you ? I can'twalk anymore ! No problem , stand up ! and go . Then he met a woman , crying , crying ....Why are you crying , lady ? I am keren , she answered . Then the Rebbe sat next to her , on a certain distance , and began crying too . Nice ? not ?

obsessive compulse ver ill person. Get out and mind your own business!!

Or , with your goyish head impossible to understand maybe ? When you INSULT my parents , it's my busines . And i'm always against FAKE people , people as you are who preach Jewish religion , but don't knows that writing is NOT allowed Shabbat . You are an IGNORANT in every field , Jewish religion , Israel's geography and history . No need to add that you are a big LIAR too . And don't use words you don't understand , poor crying "lady"

You are the champion ! Not only don't you know what it means , but you can't even write it . It's schizophrenic not what you , as an ignorant favela girl , wrote . The Rebbe was right to cry . Poor "lady"

It's beyond me,why in the world is the Church making such efforts to beatify this mediocre man,who at best is controversial,the man who helped Adolf Eichman and Joseph Mengele and other killers escape to Argentina,i vonder what was his reaction at the German defeat at Stalingrad,on whose side was he ? did he pray for the victory of the allies,or the victory of the Germans, who foght the anti christ stalin,to defeat communism was more important to the pope than to save European Jews from the Germans,but it's not rabbi lau's business whom Pope Benedict wishes to beatify,if rabbi Lau doesn't like it he should not be Meshadach himself with the Pope,and not attend the pope's Shul.