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Officer: IDF on brink of abyss over draft dodging
Shmulik Hadad
Published: 13.01.10, 22:13
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1. What's wrong with the student going up
Joe ,   Ohio, USA   (01.13.10)
get his or her diploma and the second hand they shake being the military recruiters? Whether you like the idea of going into the military service or not we all need to do our part, even and especially when we'd rather not.
2. Move to a well paid well motivated Professional Army
Al   (01.13.10)
You guys simply dont get it The current army cannot protect the country. It is loaded with political wannabees with an agenda. The soldiers are very poorly trained, poorly motivated and they simply lack discipline. Look at the past 10 years of how you have failed in confronting the intifada. You threw 10K Jews out of their homes in Gaza and you have Hamas controlling it today. South Lebanon..another disater with Irans proxy Hizbollah waiting for their signal to blow you to hell. The current COS is a useless PTA chairman, pinning for a future political position, based on his ceasless pandering to the Shalit issue. He clearly doesnt grasp the seriousness of the lack of motivation amongst the Israeli youth save for some elements in the Dati Leumi sector against whom he is waging a war. You must move to a highly paid professional army with solid training, the best equipment and with "dedicated to the country" motivation. You cannot in todays times force your kids to do what needs to be done. They dont get it as the country doesnt seem to get it. Israel in spite of the many shopping centres and a fell good consumer society is facing foes who will stop at nothing to throttle you. You precious youth being raised on MTV are turning into the same brain dead morons you see all over the western world. The security of the nation cannot and should not depend on these wasted youth. Move to a professional army..Its the only way you will survive.
3. No army service, then prison time.
jason white ,   afula,israel   (01.13.10)
Put them in prison for not serving give them three years for each year they do not serve and another year to grow on. No yeshiva, no phony shrinks or medical excuses and no early marriage with or without pregnancy. That goes for all citizens, irregardless of religion or political views.
4. Joe, bring back the US draft?
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.13.10)
Yeah buddy, that'll go over like a lead zeppelin... A professional military is the way to go. Of course, it's hard to say if that will work in Israel. The tiny little state has never learned how to live in peace without being an armed camp bristling with nationalist fervor. Until Israel makes peace with the neighbors, it's likely they will have to use the fear tactic of a different existential threat a day to bolster the psyche of those forced to serve because they can provide none of the excuses that apparently work.
5. What Jewish mothers should do:Get killed their son for nothi
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (01.13.10)
What Jewish mothers should do:Get killed their son for nothing? I read many news including: -IDF officers severly beating their soldier to death -There is beating,torturing as regular training or tradition for new recruits, Knesnett responded not effectively for those events, it is covered from eyes -They rape women or even as worse as this women in IDF is subject to continiously rape threat(perhaps that is quite desirable for some but as irony those most desires so are not subject to rape threat!) -Some Soldiers lost their mind, gone mad due to abuse, and illtreatment of their officers -Some IDF soldier are killed for nothing like because they do not give their credit cards or money to bullying mates -Some of them were killed other ways during training possibly covered stories - There are war crimes investigation about many officers and IDF members therefore there is not guarante their son will not be prosecuted for just performing orders of their commanders - They do not allow cook or prepare meals on saturdays due to religious reasons and they prefer either waiting hungrey for a day or serve prison terms - Hizbulllah proved very good fighters and they killed many IDF soldiers during operations - IDF soldiers feel war time equipment is not sufficient and they are not given vest/flak jakets, or other equipment, which they have to buy privately for large sums There are so many problems and IDF tries to promote PR by showing some Women Soldiers sitting on Tank Cannots, enough seductive for a young boy like your son, but then they will be subject to above abuses and dangers, so Israeli mother prefer sending their sons abroad, They get long and long educations, unending, uuuh you cannot expect a professor in University to serve in IDF as lay soldier?That is the story, Education under forcing death threat!
6. not surprised, lack of education
Laura ,   Jerusalem Israel   (01.13.10)
when we took out the Torah, Judaism and the connection to the land of Israel out of our education system, it is no wonder that young people dont want to go into the army..they have no idea what they are fighting for. Today, almost 50% of all commanders are "dati" ..they know that the land of Israel was given by G*D to the Jewish nation and that we have 5000 years of history here.
7. Torah = Strong Army!
Yos   (01.14.10)
We must undo the secular coercion that the secular elite have done to this country. The lack of connection to Torah and mitzvot is turning everything bad.
8. #4
boris ,   ny, us   (01.14.10)
i've got it! you have this kind of posts, because you are B(big) BS news.
9. and keep kicking out hasder soldiers?
david ,   new york   (01.14.10)
on one hand they complain that no one cares about enlisting in the army. then they have patriotic hesder soldiers who refuse to expell jews from their home and the (secular) seeks to punish patriotic jews. i think they would rather there be no religious jews than there be a viable state of israel
10. 1) Simple matter of enforcement 2) the values of society as
jae ,   lynn US   (01.14.10)
CONTROLLED BY THE cancerous leftist parties who run the media and courts of Israel. Only 10% of the population, but with 90% of the power & influence.
11. draft dodging
colin   (01.14.10)
When will Zanir and the defence ministry realise that the fault of draft dodging is solely because of the leftest policy. Nobody will accept the service of the army when they know they are only srevants and slaves to politicians whims. The present cowardly groveling defence minister uses soldiers to EVICT JEWS form thier homes. Why will any sane person attend the army in Israel????The IDF is for the defence and security of Israel and not a tool for politics to play.
12. Militatry Service is a basic requirements of citizenship
Norman Gellman ,   Rehovot, Israel   (01.14.10)
One of the basic requirements of citizenship is to protect your country. The problem here can be put on the backs of our education system. History classes need to include the history of the state and not end in 1948. Importance of Israel as a country must be taught and emphasized Basic citizenship must also be included in education from elementary school onwards. Basic Jewish ideals must be taught without being just about ritual and doing mitzvahs. Youth must be made to realize that their heritage is important and Israel isn't just another country. A modern army needs training to be effective and dodging servicer must be severely punished.
13. come on
ecr   (01.14.10)
When you give your country to your enemies, what should a young man have for his motivation to defend? And woman in the army is ludicrous. There are many functions young woman can be doing for this country rather than do some of the things they do now in the army.
14. Can't use the army
nr ,   los angeles, usa   (01.14.10)
to fulfill the political will of the power elite. The army has to protect the citzenry from the enemy. It's wrong to force the army to uproot civilians from their homes. It's demoralizing and destructive. Who would want to serve in an army like that?
15. yet for the charideem its away of life
Avi ,   Israel   (01.14.10)
Lets face it , naming and shaming celebrity draft dodgers makes good headlines but the fact of the matter is 75% of the charideem evade the draft so how can the IDF expect people to be motivated when they see that this bunch of lazy religious bums do nothing?
16. #7 Yos and the thought police
Avi ,   israel   (01.14.10)
Hate to break it to you boss but its also a persons basic human right not to belive. If somehow you seem to think that anyone who claims to be religious is morraly superior to everyone else then you are mistaken. One only has to look at Shass to see a bunch of corrupt criminals that use religion as a means to shroud their criminal activites, 7 convicted Shass MKs rather speaks for its self. Yet you have to shove it down everyones throats telling when to drive our cars, who to marry , what to eat and so on. Sorry but i dont buy it and never will.
17. The real reason for draft dodging.....
Marco ,   Spain   (01.14.10)
lies up north. A little bit beyond the northern border to be exact. lol
18. Gilad Shalit and Ron Arad are....
Yunan Amram ,   Israel   (01.14.10)
one big reason for the increase in the number of draft dodgers. When Ron Arad has to remain in captivity for decades while Shalit is being thrown to the wolves, what do we expect? If Shalit or Arad were the sons of one of our big shots, then they would have been out by now. Better yet, they would not have had to serve in the first place. Our leaders are a bunch of hypocrites. Free our prisoners now at any price. If Shalit was the son of
19. Gender disparity in refusal
Advocate4Liberty ,   Chicago, USA   (01.14.10)
Could it be that girls develop a conscience or the ability to think and make better value judgments at a younger age than boys? In any case, this sounds like an encouraging trend all around.
20. nr, evicting illegal squatters is not wrong...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.14.10)
21.  Officer: IDF on brink of abyss over draft dodging
andrew ,   uk   (01.14.10)
Is it possible these draft-dodging kids recognize that, in terms of the consistent illegal and immoral persecution of Palestinians, that perhaps Israel, at this juncture, is on the wrong side of history?!?
22. Military
David ,   US   (01.14.10)
Conscription is slavery.
23. Moral Awareness?
Ben Adler ,   BC, Canada   (01.14.10)
Is it possible these draft-dodging kids recognize that, in terms of the consistent illegal and immoral persecution of Palestinians, that perhaps Israel, at this juncture, is on the wrong side of history?!?
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