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IDF set to counter Goldstone Report
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Published: 23.01.10, 22:43
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31. The entire Goldstone report is invalid and morally tainted.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (01.24.10)
The evidence, as Goldstone stated, was based almost entirely on UNVERIFIABLE PALESTINIAN CLAIMS and publications from politicized pro-Palestinian NGOs – the report cites B'tselem and the Palestinian Center for Human Rights each more than 70 times, Al-Haq allegations get more 30 mentions, and there are many more NGO co-authors. The methodology used in the 36 incidents examined by the committee will give critics of the report and the commission the strongest basis for rejecting its conclusions. As to the dangers to the democracies : http://xrl.us/bfq4r7
32. Esther
Ilana   (01.24.10)
You are totally right. Best to completely ignore them. I love the simile of cockroach!! So entirely true. Who cares what a bunch of ignoramuses think??
33. James, Marlene deals in facts and truth...
BBSNews 08:00 ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.24.10)
...I notice that you did not dispute what she wrote, you simply tried and failed to impugn her personally. And that says far more about you my friend then it does Marlene. You know you could not rebut factually her two central assertions, one that the IDF will deny everything and simply go on the attack calling the report "lies". And second, the failed attempt by Israel to thus far make the well-worn and now pretty much useless label of "anti-Semite" stick to Richard Goldstone. A committed Zionist, who sits on the board of Hebrew University and whose daughter made aliyah. Gee James. That pretty much invalidated your whole comment. Bummer.
34. I am against collective punishment.
noa ,   israel   (01.24.10)
But just like "occupation", I am not sure this is the right term. By voting for Hamas, they supported Hamas and consider themselves part of "Hamas country". When Hamas threw bombs at Sederot for 8 years, it was as if all of Gaza did it. We heard no voice of protest from them then. So they weren't being dealt collective punishment but bombed as if they were an attacking enemy entity, which they were. No one in the world can gage beforehand the consequences of actions, but there will always be. So before you act, weigh the consequences.
35. Typical Israel
# 14   (01.24.10)
In the days leading up to the Gaza op, Israel was full of threats and bluster about how they were going to blast Gaza. Now in the aftermath, Israel claims that they didn`t actually destroy anything. These are the two sides of Israel that we always see. The blustering threat monger, and the innocent victim that was home in bed the night of the crime.
36. Video evidence
Resistor   (01.24.10)
Will the IDF videos show the white phosphorus being used on civilians, the bombing of mosques, hospitals, the parliament building, the airport, the universities and schools, etc? Remember the commandment "Thou shall not bear false witness."
37. Keren, an IDF whitewash is not "truth"...
BBSNews 08:28 ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.24.10)
...it's yet another Israeli whitewash of the truth. And you folks seem to miss the point. The Goldstone Report will be referred to the ICC as a result of Israel issuing this lame report instead of what the UNSC asked for; an independent investigation by independent and objective participants. I would not gloat sweetie. The parts of the IDF response leaked to the NYT bode very ill for Israel. I suggest you read the actual report and you will quickly see that Israel is in very deep on these leaks this time. This may be the big opne. The really really big screw up on Israel PR machine. A terrible miscalculation. A mistake so horrendous that it will make the original Goldstone Report pale in comparison: Yet another IDF whitewash. Wanna see a sign? Look no further than President Obama washing his hands of the whole thing and putting it on Bibi; and the US administration going after Blackwater in Iraq. It's human rights baby!
38. noa, so you really aren't against collective punishment...
BBSNews 08:31 ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.24.10)
39. Vicious and Malicious
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (01.24.10)
Israel should not respond. They should simply ignore this report and toss it into the trash where it belongs. Silence is golden.
40. #4
Need2Know ,   ISRAEL   (01.24.10)
Birdi, Are you that Blond chick thats gonna be staying at the Big Borhters house? :) ..
41. Vicious lies?
(01.24.10)
If Israel had this evidence when Goldstone investigated the Gaza war, it should have shown it to him, to counter Palestinian claims. Israel has no one but itself to blame for "vicious lies" in the Goldstone report.
42. One fact-The Gazans used their mosques as ammo dumps
Sharona ,   Jerusalem Israel   (01.24.10)
This was proven DURING the war. This is a war crime in itself. They also hid the terrorists cowards in hospitals and thos same cowards fled in ambulances to Sinai leaving the population to fend for themselves. Some terrorists sent their wives and kids up to the rooftops to die. They are ALL despicable.
43. the destruction of Gaza’s sole flour mill
observer   (01.24.10)
The Goldstone report asserts that the Bader flour mill “was hit by an airstrike, possibly by an F-16.” The Israeli investigators say they have photographic proof that this is false, that the mill was accidentally hit by artillery in the course of a firefight with Hamas militiamen. On 30 December 2008, a recorded warning was left on the flour mill’s answering machine by Israeli forces, indicating that his building should be evacuated immediately. The approximately 45 workers in the mill at the time were evacuated. "We received another message," Hamada said. "We were told to evacuate the factory. The factory was evacuated." Again, there was no attack. "They were put into a state of fear as a result of the false alarms," Goldstone's report states. Then on 9 January, without warning, "we received a call from the guard telling us that the factory was targeted by air with a missile and that it had caught fire. After 15 minutes, he called us again and told us that there are tanks approaching the area and that the factory was targeted with tank fire. The missile struck the floor that housed one of the machines indispensable to the mill’s functioning, completely destroying it. In the next 60 to 90 minutes the mill was hit several times by missiles fired from an Apache helicopter. These missiles hit the upper floors of the factory, destroying more key machinery. artillery shells in heavily populated area is against international law The IDF released a video claiming to show evidence that Hamas had used a mosque, also in Beit Lahya, to store weapons, but an analysis of the video casts doubt on the claim; the secondary explosion in the bombed mosque was nothing but a second missile. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2AR2kgWBBY In July 2009, the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs released a report stating that, "the IDF inquiry revealed that the mosque was not attacked at all.
44. All crimes caused by Hamas rockets llegally belong to Hamas
sam ,   USA   (01.24.10)
45. #35 War is war!
Keren ,   IL-BR   (01.24.10)
And I thank G-d Israel is not innocent and fight its wars with courage. But Israel is not criminal.Criminal are these cunning bloody evils slandering Israel with what it didn't do,or provoquing Israel to do things that they know will cause Israel’s public image in the world to be heavily damaged.They ,these enemies of hell,can explode thousand of themselves just to cast the guilt in Israel.Thats the truth! Israel deals with a very low,extremely evil and malicious enemy.
46. we all know Goldstone reaport isn't based
ghostq   (01.24.10)
on evidences, he admite that himself, so without any evidences this tile is pointless.
47. to #24 you r doomed cause you relay on news reports
ghostq   (01.24.10)
collect news media from different network you will get different stories for the same event, you just expose yoursel to lawsuit.
48. to #38 funny you say that isn't sucide bombing
ghostq   (01.24.10)
against people in the bus count for collective punishment, oh and the rockets on innocent civilians also count for collective punishment. thank you for clearing that up, you see, use your head sometimes it will do you good :)
49. to #43 this isn't new during ww1 Turkes
ghostq   (01.24.10)
used the Mosque minirat to target Anzak troopes, they use their own religious institute for inciting to sucide bombing and for militery purposes, really old thing.
50. idf set to conquer
debbie ,   israel   (01.24.10)
UM EL KUL NAQBA You are 200% right. You took the words right out of my mouth. And to all of you who are wailing about "collective punishment": In wartime "innocent" people as well as innocent people suffer. Were not some of the German people innocent of nazi war crimes? But when Germany was bombed by the Allies, theyalso suffered. This fact should make the aggessive parties (in this case HAMAS) think twice before they attack, send rockets or terrorists, into neighboring countries. Israel does not plan to suffer any longer constant rocket attacks on her territory, just so that the "innocent" Gazans won't suffer. For a long time HAMAS casually lobbed these missiles into southern Israel, counting on Israel's good will, passivity, and wish not to hurt Gazan civilians. Obviously the main priority of any government is to protect its citizens. So will Israel do, and so must HAMAS do, by not provoking acts of war with its neighbors. If they don't want their innocent civilians to suffer, then it's time to cease purposefully and maliciously attacking Israel This is the job of their leaders (HAMAS), to protect their civilians.
51. :: War Crimes
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (01.24.10)
1) Collective punishment of 1.5 million people, half of which are children 2) Targeting civilians and using civilians as human shields 3) Disproportionate military response and deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure
52. :: As stated before...
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (01.24.10)
The Goldstone Report describes that the aim of the attack on Gaza was to: "humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish its local economic capacity both to work and to provide for itself, and to force upon it an ever increasing sense of dependency and vulnerability”.
53. # 33
Birdi ,   Israel   (01.24.10)
After his report was published Goldstone's daughter refused to have anything to do with him. If Goldstone was a committed Zionist, as you say, he would live in Israel & he does not.
54. # 30
Birdi ,   Israel   (01.24.10)
Thanks for the info James. We have more Israel supporters here on Ynet than bashers;so hateful Marlene is outnumbered here.
55. To:@ 31 >>>I think this fake report should be>>>
Kate ,   ISRAEL   (01.24.10)
Be put in the trash can where it belongs. While I commend the IDF who decided to debunk the faulty report to Goldstone's reprehensive and false accusation, at the end of the day time has come to put it to rest.. Is there no end to this fake report by Goldstone? Is it going to be dredged out every few weeks,months at a time and bore us to death? Be it accusations toward Israel ,from the oh so level headed Goldy putting a sovereign democratic Israel on a par with a TERROR ENTITY. Is that what Goldstone a so called decent man is trying to get himself out of troulble.?Obviously. And why does Israel need to respond at all beats me. No need for any explanation.Cast Lead was war.And when the enemy conducts its war/terrorism among civilians purposefully,using hospitals,mosques,ambulances, schools.Mr.Ban knows,needs no further claificatiion on the matter does it? Case closed
56. To: @ 33 Oh oh oh >>>
James ,   ISRAEL   (01.24.10)
So bbsn Marlene is right ha? You,her, and crazy Matty are one of the bunch who have found a safe haven coming here and Jpost to spew the bile against Israel. Don't try your to explain or teach me and many others like me, a lesson on who is EVIL or who is decent. You,Marlene,Matty,and now we have Resistor(another fool) not to forget the anti-Israel; observer to freely come to a Jewish news establishments and promulgate lies against my country AND THE VALIANT IDF.G*d bless them all. Before I end my post: If Goldstone is a Zionist he could have fooled us. All I say on the Goldstone subject is this: We have hundreds of the so-called good Jews,but they are good in name only,while being treacherous whithin. If I begin to enumerate their number it would take reams to print. So,bother me not with your waffle.
57. To: @ 53 Oh ,oh >>>>>>>
James ,   ISRAEL   (01.24.10)
Oh Birdi if what you wrote is correct would you give me the link please? Gosh I heard nothing about his daughter refusing to have anything to do with her dad. Serves him.Would he care? doubt it. Curioser and curiouser.But good for her. Don't forget to give me the link ha? Who lovesya baby!!!!!
58. :: #55. #56 & #57 :)
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (01.24.10)
It would seem that the poster 'Kate/James' who wrote /55, #56 7 #56 is confused about his or her gender!
59. # 55
Birdi ,   Israel   (01.24.10)
Kate, we Israelis know full well what happened during Cast Lead ,whereas the outside world does not. We have to defend ourselves & prove the falsehood of lies thrown at the IDF. The case is not closed yet.
60. #1 guilty till proved the otherwise
observer   (01.24.10)
The denial of a warring party without evidence is NOTHING. Israel with all its high tech has to provide the proof. The otherwise is that no more high tech is going to be delivered from the US.
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